Breaking News - It looks like Trevor Mbakwe will be suspended

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So this woman with the restraining order is the mother of his child? Is that what I'm gathering?
 

Fair enough Nate. I think all the Gopher basketball drama is finally taking a toll on me.
 

Its tough. Another year of high expectations, higher than last year, and we have to deal with this!
 

Art Vandelay said:
So this woman with the restraining order is the mother of his child? Is that what I'm gathering?
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No, the woman with the no contact order is a ex-girlfriend from Trevor's freshman year of high school. The mother of his child is his current girlfriend, and she also has a no contact order with this woman.
 

SelectionSunday said:
Fair enough Nate. I think all the Gopher basketball drama is finally taking a toll on me.
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On all of us. It's truly amazing to me. Every year I have at least one sports team I care about that I have high expectations for, and every year I get disappointed. It's not fun. After the collapse of the Vikings, the Twins' disappointing playoff run and bad offseason, the absolute malaise that is the rest of the Winter sports, and even the continuance of Arsenal's trophyless run, I was really hoping to get picked up by Gophers basketball. And who knows, it still may happen. I'd just like to have something go right for once for Minnesota sports fans.
 


SS, I should apologize for not adding the requisite winky face to set the tone.

I'm beyond fatigued about Gopher sports in general. I used to consider myself a die hard fan but now only my respect for Coach Kill is even keeping me sane.

When I see Auburn win a National Championship in football with a cheating QB and dirty playing thugs all over the place I realize that any success at winning with good guys is rare.

I always wonder why Tubby is getting a free pass. These are his recruits. If he's going to take risks with guys with known character issues he better make sure that he is laying down the law.
 


And to the people who've compared a TRO to a speeding ticket where you've gone 1 mph over the speed limit....put your daughter in the same spot and see how you'd feel.
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Above all I would hope I've taught my children to forgive and seek good will towards those who persecute us sometimes. His heart seems to be in the right place.
 

gopherphan said:
without knowing any more details it sounds like the woman is a crazy bitch.
your argument is invalid
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Well thought out. An invalid argument is where the conclusion does not support the premise. So as I didn't lay out a premise it can not be by definition invalid. You man not agree therefore, you wish to refute my argument......forget it.

Of course your explanation is a really good one too.
 



I think Trevor has been punished enough, regardless of his standing (starter or bench warmer) on the team, as much as people want to bring up his "past" and "Miami", in case you missed it, he was NOT, i repeat, NOT proven guilty. That means, and follow my logic here, it was not proven that he committed the crime. Meaning, it is NOT on his record. And also meaning, he was suspended all of last season for a crime, he did NOT commit.

So if you want to say his past warrants a suspension, you are saying he should be suspended for this no contact order and a "past" that includes transfering high schools (a very common thing). Transferring from Marquette due to injury (another very common thing) and then transfering to his hometown team (lastly, another very common thing)

And lets please, also, not act like Trevor is a stalker and that is why she got the restraining order. This was a mutual thing. If you believe what Trevor's GF says, this woman stalked her and their son at daycare! So yes, Trevor did a very stupid stupid thing. And the blame is soley on him, it is his fault no matter the intentions. But does your first (to my knowledge) criminal offense (a misdemeanor over a kindly worded fb message) warrant a suspension? I personally don't think so, if someone doesn't agree that is their right. But, to say he deserves a suspension over what happened in Miami (did NOT happen actually) is ridiculous.
 

Reserve said:
Above all I would hope I've taught my children to forgive and seek good will towards those who persecute us sometimes. His heart seems to be in the right place.
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And the judge won't care where his heart was. Pretty simple here. Judge; here are the terms of the TRO. Mr. Mbawke, did you violate the terms of the TRO? Yes. Guilty. Pay the fine. I'm guessing there was a reason Facebook was listed on the TRO if that's correct as reported. Probably more history than anyone knows but at the end of the day, avoiding getting tossed in the can for violating this TRO was a pretty easy situation to avoid. Goes more to decision making than anything I guess.

I'm not trying to make this bigger than it is but but the law seemed pretty clear here.
 

bga1 said:
Eventually we will purge our basketball program of all misconduct and all of our players will be spotless, never having done a thing wrong. In fact the whole U of M will be perfect.

Are you aware of the story (if true) that the girl that turned Trevor in had harrassed Trevors current girlfriend causing Trevor and his current girl friend to extend the no contact to two years? It looks like it may have been a bit of a two way street - perhaps there were no perfect players. I think a jailing and a suspension is a little harsh for a "hope you are doing well message". Perhaps an appropriate response might be a warning and a reminder of what no contact means in this hyper communication era of twitter/facebook.
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So he's the one that extended the "no contact" order because of harrassment, but it's him that needs a reminder what "no contact" means?
 

GopherLady said:
No, the woman with the no contact order is a ex-girlfriend from Trevor's freshman year of high school. The mother of his child is his current girlfriend, and she also has a no contact order with this woman.
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Oh, okay, I got the two mixed up. Yeah, stay away from exes, not worth the trouble no matter how "nice" the intention is, as he's finding out right now undoubtedly.
 



Duthasmon Smith said:
And the judge won't care where his heart was. Pretty simple here. Judge; here are the terms of the TRO. Mr. Mbawke, did you violate the terms of the TRO? Yes. Guilty. Pay the fine. I'm guessing there was a reason Facebook was listed on the TRO if that's correct as reported. Probably more history than anyone knows but at the end of the day, avoiding getting tossed in the can for violating this TRO was a pretty easy situation to avoid. Goes more to decision making than anything I guess.

I'm not trying to make this bigger than it is but but the law seemed pretty clear here.
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I agree, the law is clear and he won't get off without paying the fine and he screwed up big time and should have known. I know he was trying to be nice, but at the same time you have to be smarter than that being you are a public figure basically.

But does a first offense misdemeanor punishable by a night in jail and a fine really warrant a suspension? I personaly don't think so anyways.
 

scher215 said:
I think Trevor has been punished enough, regardless of his standing (starter or bench warmer) on the team, as much as people want to bring up his "past" and "Miami", in case you missed it, he was NOT, i repeat, NOT proven guilty. That means, and follow my logic here, it was not proven that he committed the crime. Meaning, it is NOT on his record. And also meaning, he was suspended all of last season for a crime, he did NOT commit.

So if you want to say his past warrants a suspension, you are saying he should be suspended for this no contact order and a "past" that includes transfering high schools (a very common thing). Transferring from Marquette due to injury (another very common thing) and then transfering to his hometown team (lastly, another very common thing)

And lets please, also, not act like Trevor is a stalker and that is why she got the restraining order. This was a mutual thing. If you believe what Trevor's GF says, this woman stalked her and their son at daycare! So yes, Trevor did a very stupid stupid thing. And the blame is soley on him, it is his fault no matter the intentions. But does your first (to my knowledge) criminal offense (a misdemeanor over a kindly worded fb message) warrant a suspension? I personally don't think so, if someone doesn't agree that is their right. But, to say he deserves a suspension over what happened in Miami (did NOT happen actually) is ridiculous.
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Didn't he get 100 hours of community service in Miami?
 

Monty519 said:
Yeah, stay away from exes, not worth the trouble no matter how "nice" the intention is, as he's finding out right now undoubtedly.
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Which is precisely why you must hang your hat in Tennessee.
 

Maximus said:
So he's the one that extended the "no contact" order because of harrassment, but it's him that needs a reminder what "no contact" means?
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Yes. I would add to that though it was a kind contact. I know I personally have heard of ex's having a tough time and even if we hate each other will reach out saying, I know things have been tough in the past with us, but if u need anything I am here for you. Being that person was a part of your life for awhile and someone you cared about. Which I am sure many ex husbands/wives would do, etc.

The stupid thing Trevor did, was offer that help to a girl who has a no contact order with him. I am sure he didn't think she'd call the police as he was trying to be nice and support someone he once cared about. He thought wrong. He never should have assumed she would not call police, that was a huge lack in judgement.
 

So, really, what did Trevor do to have everyone call him a screw up. Those comments were valid with Royce, but with Trev, I don't think so. He has been accused of a lot of things, but the only thing he is guilty of is sending someone a nice message on FB. Anyone can have a restraining oder put on them and be accused of doing bad things, but really, what did he do? I could be missing something.
 

Maximus said:
So he's the one that extended the "no contact" order because of harrassment, but it's him that needs a reminder what "no contact" means?
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Obviously he didn't think this through. One could call it stupid. Stupid moves are fairly common to young men of his age. The question is- does this rise to the level of suspension or is it a mess up that can be corrected with a warning? I tend to think the latter and I'm also one who tired pretty quickly of Royce White and said it was time to move on. There has to be a measure of common sense and some attention to the degree of the infraction.
 

Duthasmon Smith said:
Didn't he get 100 hours of community service in Miami?
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No. He performed 100 hours of community service in exchange for the charges being dropped. It wasn't a punishment. It was so that the DA could get out of this not looking like he really screwed up. Trevor agreed as he wanted it over with as well. The big stipulation of the agreement was that it was NOT an admission of guilt (i.e. a plea deal) and it did not show up on his record.

Basically, we have innocent until proven guilty. Trevor was not proven guilty, which equates to innocence. I don't care who the person is, that is the way our legal system works. Weather it is OJ Simpson or the guy in North Minneapolis. If you are not proven guilty, you are innocent in the eyes of the law and that means it is not considered a prior offense.
 

Nate, I agree with your sentiments about Auburn, especially the part about their character-less quarterback getting to ride off into the sunset a winner while he's made into some kind of martyr. I understand your frustration.

And I agree with your point about Tubby, too. He certainly has some accountability in all this. I understand the necessity for coaches to take chances on talented kids with character issues on occasion(s) -- this is big-time, money-making college athletics -- but (as you said) the coach better make darn sure they toe the line once they get here. The end result when they don't toe the line is the situation that we're in right now, and the one we were in last year.
 

if a university or team rule is to be suspended for being charged with a criminal offense than TM should be suspended. shouldn't even be a question. he knew the conditions of the no contact order which are read into the court record and now inlcude no contact through social media outlets.

those defending TM have no clue. if true if violated an order for proctection that is justification for whatever the legal system does to him or the university. this might be inviolation of his agreement in Miami and have a much greater impact on him than a suspension from the basketball team.
 

sidefx182 said:
So, really, what did Trevor do to have everyone call him a screw up. Those comments were valid with Royce, but with Trev, I don't think so. He has been accused of a lot of things, but the only thing he is guilty of is sending someone a nice message on FB. Anyone can have a restraining oder put on them and be accused of doing bad things, but really, what did he do? I could be missing something.
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what don't you understand. He is accused of violating a restraining order. that is a criminal offense. doesn't matter what his sentiment was.
 

scools12 said:
what don't you understand. He is accused of violating a restraining order. that is a criminal offense. doesn't matter what his sentiment was.
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I understand what he did. But, people are saying they are done with Trevor, where there is smoke there is fire, how dumb is this guy. I think all these things are pretty harsh. I understand under the law, he messed up, but does that make him a horrible person that we should bash on (not everyone is, but some people are), I just don't think we should.
 

scher215 said:
No. He performed 100 hours of community service in exchange for the charges being dropped. It wasn't a punishment. It was so that the DA could get out of this not looking like he really screwed up. Trevor agreed as he wanted it over with as well. The big stipulation of the agreement was that it was NOT an admission of guilt (i.e. a plea deal) and it did not show up on his record.

Basically, we have innocent until proven guilty. Trevor was not proven guilty, which equates to innocence. I don't care who the person is, that is the way our legal system works. Weather it is OJ Simpson or the guy in North Minneapolis. If you are not proven guilty, you are innocent in the eyes of the law and that means it is not considered a prior offense.
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Got it. Thanks.

Innocent is not a legal term as I understand it but then again, the majority of my law information comes from My Cousin Vinny.
 

scools12 said:
if a university or team rule is to be suspended for being charged with a criminal offense than TM should be suspended. shouldn't even be a question. he knew the conditions of the no contact order which are read into the court record and now inlcude no contact through social media outlets.

those defending TM have no clue. if true if violated an order for proctection that is justification for whatever the legal system does to him or the university. this might be inviolation of his agreement in Miami and have a much greater impact on him than a suspension from the basketball team.
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Is that a rule? I am honestly not sure if that is a set rule for the University or team. If that IS the rule, and is stated as such, a speeding ticket is a "criminal offense" (it is breaking the law)

No one is saying the U or the law is not justified in doing what they want to, they are the authority here. This is on Trevor, his fault, he did it. The issue is that people don't feel the U's decision should be to suspend him, no one is saying the U shouldn't be allowed to make a decision on it.
 


wondering does anyone know if his offense was a gross or petty misdemeanor?
 

Duthasmon Smith said:
Got it. Thanks.

Innocent is not a legal term as I understand it but then again, the majority of my law information comes from My Cousin Vinny.
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I am not sure if the law uses the word innocent, but once you are not proven guilty (i.e. by a jury or judge) or charges are dropped. It is not found on your record, is not considered a prior, and you are, for lack of a different term, innocent. At least that is my understanding, I am no expert by any means either.
 

The double-standard of allowing Brew to dish out 'internal' punishments for things far worse then this while not allowing Tubby to do the same is what upsets me. If it was Tubby dishing out the suspension, I could live with it. Maturi stepping in and doing so because he 'feels pressure' is pathetic. There was no pressure to suspend Gary Tinsley or Michael Carter? If so, it's only because Joe Blow had no idea who they were. Should Trevor be punished more severely because he's talented enough to be noticed? Maturi's once again got his finger in the air, trying to figure out which way the wind is blowing. Just the decisive quality you want from an AD.
 

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