Bo Ryan getting blasted for post-game complaining about refs

[scools12]

I see that you attack other people as well. Do you own this board? Why do think that you have to constantly attack people for their opinion? This is a message board. As long as you follow the rules, you are entitled to your opinion.

Not an attack but my opinion that a Gopher fan telling another fan base to "get off your high horses" is comical. Bo Ryan and the Badgers look foolish and should be ripped for the response but trying to act like a segment of this fan base wouldn't have the same reaction is ridiculous. It happens in every single in-game thread on this board. The Gophers would never lose a game if wasn't for being screwed over by the refs.

 

[Golden_Sloth]

Not an attack but my opinion that a Gopher fan telling another fan base to "get off your high horses" is comical. Bo Ryan and the Badgers look foolish and should be ripped for the response but trying to act like a segment of this fan base wouldn't have the same reaction is ridiculous. It happens in every single in-game thread on this board. The Gophers would never lose a game if wasn't for being screwed over by the refs.

There's a pretty significant difference in what is acceptable for a Big Ten coach to say at a press conference, and what is acceptable for a random dolt to say on a team specific message board.

 

[justthefacts]

If it was a one time thing, than I'd agree with you. Bo is notorious for being a PR nightmare and a poor loser. Most Badger fans would agree that he should keep his mouth shut most of the times. Watch him shake hands after a game he loses, he barely makes eye contact with the other team and is out of there in a second. In contrast he makes sure to hug everyone coach on the other team after a win. He works the refs all game long and pouts when things don't go his way. Great coach, it's just childish.

 

[Gold Vision]

<img src="http://www.forums.gopherhole.com/boards/attachment.php?attachmentid=3446"/> <img src="http://www.forums.gopherhole.com/boards/attachment.php?attachmentid=3447"/>

Are these still photos supposed to prove a point?

 

[cncmin]

If any team got screwed, it was Duke. Two bad calls on Winslow in the first half made him sit down and at least one of the fouls on Okafor was garbage as well. Would Bo really want to switch places with Coach K and have Kaminsky limited to 22 minutes of game time? If that was the case, Duke wins by 15. The more athletic team that took the ball to the basket off the bounce got to the line more in the second half...how is this a surprise? Perhaps my favorite whine is the "out of bounds" one and not because of the irony of a missed out of bounds call keeping Wisconsin from losing the B1G tournament. Hayes was clearly riding the Duke player and the ref didn't want to blow his whistle in that spot. IF he saw the foot go out of bounds, he'd have been forced to call a foul on Hayes there...it was NEVER going to just be out of bounds, Wisconsin ball. Obviously, the refs missed the out of bounds with Wisconsin down 5 late and that sucks.

Exactly, and that's the point Wisconsin fans and players just can't shake. Did Koenig get wronged on the blocking call? IMO, yes. But the calls went both ways in a game played by Wisconsin, for a change. They're so used to getting their way and bullying the refs that they can't believe it when a fair game is called. Just look at their reactions on every call. Such babies. And when they get hit physically, wow do those guys milk it. This was NOT like the NO/Vikes game in the 2009 championship, where the refs were very biased and directly affected the outcome. The game was reffed fairly, with some missed calls, and the Blue Devils were simply the better team that night.

 

[GoodasGold]

Are these still photos supposed to prove a point?

I know he denies it, but I still think Coach K colors his hair.

 

[cncmin]

oh the comedy of self-righteous indignation from a segment of Gopher fans.

Is there any particular reason you are so consistently hostile toward fellow Gopher fans? Talk about self-righteous, wow.

 

[cncmin]

Yeah, I don't get this either. Do they just want a sticker for being good people? And if they get a sticker for being a good-person-who-roots-for-every-team-equally-and-is-completely-dispassionate-about-silly-little-things-like-sports, will they go to a different board and stop with the judgmental condescension?

If only self-righteous meant the same as good, he'd be a good guy.

 

[GophersInIowa]

You mean like when Ryan said:

"We missed some opportunities, they hit some tough shots"

"[Dekker] just was off with his outside shot. We all would have liked to have seen one or two of those go down, but they didn't. And that happens in games. He hasn't had very many of those. But it happens."

"Sometimes games are played differently, and you have to go with the flow."

"Anybody that's been around basketball knows that 10, 15, 9, 8, 13 minutes to go, that's forever. Teams make runs. Happens all the time."

Fair enough. I think what set it off was his interview with the CBS sideline reporter (don't remember who it was). Unless I am remembering it wrong, in that interview he essentially went off on the refs and gave Duke no credit. After that everyone saw him as a big whiner. And the same with the players.

I get that it was an emotional time but most coaches find ways to hold that in check in those situations, that is all.

Still doesn't take away from the tremendous season you guys had. Just could have been handled in a better way in my opinion.

 

[justthefacts]

Are these still photos supposed to prove a point?

You said, "Watch him shake hands after a game he loses, he barely makes eye contact with the other team and is out of there in a second."

In both photos he's got his other arm on the guy's shoulder, he's making eye contact with the other guy, and in the Tubby photo he's smiling. I suspect you recognize these photos directly refute what you said, but you'd rather not admit it.

If you'd like to view the full videos, please feel free:
http://www.btn2go.com/video/wisconsin-at-minnesota-mens-basketball-highlights-3
http://www.ncaa.com/march-madness-live/game/701

I'd also note that you'd have a very difficult time getting a still photo with Tom Crean making eye contact and putting his hand on Thad Matta's shoulder in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhHt_niPrGo

If you'd like to prove your point by posting some videos of him blowing through handshakes as you suggest, I'd be happy to watch them. But I suppose it's much easier to just make completely unsubstantiated accusations.

 

[Gold Vision]

You said, "Watch him shake hands after a game he loses, he barely makes eye contact with the other team and is out of there in a second." In both photos he's got his other arm on the guy's shoulder, he's making eye contact with the other guy, and in the Tubby photo he's smiling. I suspect you recognize these photos directly refute what you said, but you'd rather not admit it. If you'd like to view the full videos, please feel free: http://www.btn2go.com/video/wisconsin-at-minnesota-mens-basketball-highlights-3 http://www.ncaa.com/march-madness-live/game/701 I'd also note that you'd have a very difficult time getting a still photo with Tom Crean making eye contact and putting his hand on Thad Matta's shoulder in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhHt_niPrGo If you'd like to prove your point by posting some videos of him blowing through handshakes as you suggest, I'd be happy to watch them. But I suppose it's much easier to just make completely unsubstantiated accusations.

You're right, I concede. You've successfully defended Bo Ryan's honor.

 

[UWOle]

5. Oh. Any links you can provide of him being critical of Alvarez and BB of Russel Wilson?

“I don’t think it’s a good idea at all,” Ryan stated. “I’ve never liked the idea of people leaving a program after four years of development at that institution, with teammates, and with that school, and to all of a sudden change and be eligible to play right away. If you make a move you sit. That’s all about building a team, building trust, building what college athletics was meant to be; the experience.”

http://www.thesportsbank.net/colleg...head-coach-bo-ryan-blasts-ncaa-transfer-rule/

 

[BleedGopher]

“I don’t think it’s a good idea at all,” Ryan stated. “I’ve never liked the idea of people leaving a program after four years of development at that institution, with teammates, and with that school, and to all of a sudden change and be eligible to play right away. If you make a move you sit. That’s all about building a team, building trust, building what college athletics was meant to be; the experience.”

http://www.thesportsbank.net/colleg...head-coach-bo-ryan-blasts-ncaa-transfer-rule/

I'm not questioning his long held beliefs, I was looking for a link of him criticizing quite possibly the highest profile grad transfer in NCAA history or did he turn a blind eye when it happened at his school?

Go Gophers!!

 

[UWOle]

I'm not questioning his long held beliefs, I was looking for a link of him criticizing quite possibly the highest profile grad transfer in NCAA history or did he turn a blind eye when it happened at his school?

Go Gophers!!

What do you think he should have done? He's got no control over the football program or the decisions that are made in recruiting in that sport. He's got plenty to do trying to run the basketball program.

I get that you and most on this board hate Bo as much as anything on earth, and I would have preferred that he comment less on the officiating, but I believe the narrative that Bo is taking a shot at Duke or Kentucky or anyone with the "rent-a-player" phrase is way overblown. Call me a homer if you want, but he specifically said 5th year transfers in the same breath, which he has a history of disagreeing with. I think it's clear that's what he was referring to as he was talking about how much this group meant to him and how enjoyable it was to watch them grow and develop together over the years into a great team. But I guess that's not as much of a story to talk about.

 

[BleedGopher]

I get that you and most on this board hate Bo as much as anything on earth

Not true. I got to know him relatively well back in his UW-P days as he recruited half my team and got a couple of rings with some of them. Though I do miss the Steve Yoder era!

Go Gophers!!

 

[Moonlight]

I would have preferred that he comment less on the officiating, but I believe the narrative that Bo is taking a shot at Duke or Kentucky or anyone with the "rent-a-player" phrase is way overblown. Call me a homer if you want, but he specifically said 5th year transfers in the same breath, which he has a history of disagreeing with. I think it's clear that's what he was referring to as he was talking about how much this group meant to him and how enjoyable it was to watch them grow and develop together over the years into a great team. But I guess that's not as much of a story to talk about.

Ok - Homer.

It might be what he meant, but why do we have to guess? Lots of coaches, lots of them know how to speak well of the team they just played. Most of the coaches do. Bo does not. Bo never has, and most likely never will. He just doesn't. He never really honors the other team, how hard they played or worked. And what is the best measure of what I am saying? the fact that his players are making comments similar to his regarding the officiating.

I am a bit of a homer - I love it when we beat Wisconsin, but when we have, Bo never credits the our team.
I know everyone can't be as gracious as Tom Izzo, but Bo could take a few lessons. Izzo always thinks his team was fortunate to win. Not much Izzo hate here.

 

[GophersInIowa]

What do you think he should have done? He's got no control over the football program or the decisions that are made in recruiting in that sport. He's got plenty to do trying to run the basketball program.

I get that you and most on this board hate Bo as much as anything on earth, and I would have preferred that he comment less on the officiating, but I believe the narrative that Bo is taking a shot at Duke or Kentucky or anyone with the "rent-a-player" phrase is way overblown. Call me a homer if you want, but he specifically said 5th year transfers in the same breath, which he has a history of disagreeing with. I think it's clear that's what he was referring to as he was talking about how much this group meant to him and how enjoyable it was to watch them grow and develop together over the years into a great team. But I guess that's not as much of a story to talk about.

Just like he has no control over what other basketball programs are doing, but he's finding the time to criticize them.

For the record I think he is right. The 5th year transfer rule is stupid.

 

[GoGoGophers]

I get that you and most on this board hate Bo as much as anything on earth, and I would have preferred that he comment less on the officiating, but I believe the narrative that Bo is taking a shot at Duke or Kentucky or anyone with the "rent-a-player" phrase is way overblown. Call me a homer if you want, but he specifically said 5th year transfers in the same breath, which he has a history of disagreeing with. I think it's clear that's what he was referring to as he was talking about how much this group meant to him and how enjoyable it was to watch them grow and develop together over the years into a great team. But I guess that's not as much of a story to talk about.

This is the biggest bunch of BS spin I've ever heard.

"HE WAS TALKING ABOUT 5TH YEAR TRANSFERS!!1!11! NOT ONE AND DONES!!11!1!", all of bo's sheep.

Of course he was. Duke was led by predominately 5th year transfers, right? So was UK. Look at all of those teams in the tourney that had 5th year transfers dominating games. Graduate transfers have been a hot topic in college BB for years, certainly more of a talking point than one-and-dones have been. It's totally logical and Bo's crusade is a righteous one.

This is backpedaling on a classless comment, pure and simple. Name some prominent graduate transfers in college BB. What is the problem you've all pretended Bo is referring to?

 

[badgerdoc]

Bo was not talking about Duke.

He was answering a question about his own team.

This entire episode has again revealed the dim witted and self serving nature of most of the national sports media.

 

[Maximus]

Bo was not talking about Duke.

He was answering a question about his own team.

This entire episode has again revealed the dim witted and self serving nature of most of the national sports media.

No kidding! We all saw how the grad transfer rule dominated all talk during the tournament. Hardly a mention of Kentucky's one and dones or how Coach K adapted to the one and dones and how his freshmen accounted for nearly all of Duke's points. Bo was clearly referencing the hot topic in college basketball which has had such a profound impact on his program and Big Ten basketball. Grad transfers!!

Personally, I think it was a shot at Pitino for trying to get Buckles in from Florida International. Bastard!

 

[I Miss D.J.]

Bo was not talking about Duke.

He was answering a question about his own team.

This entire episode has again revealed the dim witted and self serving nature of most of the national sports media.

You're right. His comments were entirely focused on his own team, and he was (as usual) incredibly classy and gracious in defeat.

 

[The-Real-Truth]

Exactly, and that's the point Wisconsin fans and players just can't shake. Did Koenig get wronged on the blocking call? IMO, yes. But the calls went both ways in a game played by Wisconsin, for a change. They're so used to getting their way and bullying the refs that they can't believe it when a fair game is called. Just look at their reactions on every call. Such babies. And when they get hit physically, wow do those guys milk it. This was NOT like the NO/Vikes game in the 2009 championship, where the refs were very biased and directly affected the outcome. The game was reffed fairly, with some missed calls, and the Blue Devils were simply the better team that night.

Great post. Maybe that's why that writer thought EE would have been a better player in Bo's system. EE had 50% of what it took. I remember during one game that was televised Bo called a ref C-sucker. We all saw it. That poor ref was scared to death.

 

[UWOle]

This is the biggest bunch of BS spin I've ever heard.

"HE WAS TALKING ABOUT 5TH YEAR TRANSFERS!!1!11! NOT ONE AND DONES!!11!1!", all of bo's sheep.

Of course he was. Duke was led by predominately 5th year transfers, right? So was UK. Look at all of those teams in the tourney that had 5th year transfers dominating games. Graduate transfers have been a hot topic in college BB for years, certainly more of a talking point than one-and-dones have been. It's totally logical and Bo's crusade is a righteous one.

This is backpedaling on a classless comment, pure and simple. Name some prominent graduate transfers in college BB. What is the problem you've all pretended Bo is referring to?

From Mike Hall (BTN):

This is his FULL quote, with the question attached. He was asked about his Seniors. He's talking about his Seniors. He doesn't mention Duke, and when he says "rent a player" he's talking about 5th year grad transfers, in the context of his seniors.

Q. Frank said it's just going to be hard to say good-bye. Can you talk about, is it going to be hard for you to say good-bye to this class of seniors?

COACH RYAN: Oh, without a doubt. All the seniors that I've had -- hard to say the word. But every player that's played through the program, okay, we don't do a rent-a-player. You know what I mean? Try to take a fifth-year guy. That's okay. If other people do that, that's okay. I like trying to build from within. It's just the way I am. And to see these guys grow over the years and to be here last year and lose a tough game, boom, they came back. They said what they wanted to do, they put themselves into that position, and they won't forget this for a long time. I told them that's life. Wait till you get a job. Wait till you start the next 60 or 70 years of your life. It's not always going to work out the way you would like it to. But you measure a person by what it takes to discourage them.

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1slkm18

 

[scher215]

From Mike Hall (BTN): This is his FULL quote, with the question attached. He was asked about his Seniors. He's talking about his Seniors. He doesn't mention Duke, and when he says "rent a player" he's talking about 5th year grad transfers, in the context of his seniors. Q. Frank said it's just going to be hard to say good-bye. Can you talk about, is it going to be hard for you to say good-bye to this class of seniors? COACH RYAN: Oh, without a doubt. All the seniors that I've had -- hard to say the word. But every player that's played through the program, okay, we don't do a rent-a-player. You know what I mean? Try to take a fifth-year guy. That's okay. If other people do that, that's okay. I like trying to build from within. It's just the way I am. And to see these guys grow over the years and to be here last year and lose a tough game, boom, they came back. They said what they wanted to do, they put themselves into that position, and they won't forget this for a long time. I told them that's life. Wait till you get a job. Wait till you start the next 60 or 70 years of your life. It's not always going to work out the way you would like it to. But you measure a person by what it takes to discourage them. http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1slkm18

No one is disputing the question, the context, etc.

What the point is, he made a snarky comment about Duke and UK and then tried to backtrack by bringing up the 5th year transfer thing. Most have read what he actually said. The argument is what he may have been originally meaning to say. Which personally I think is fairly clear.

 

[Winasota Gopher]

No one is disputing the question, the context, etc.

What the point is, he made a snarky comment about Duke and UK and then tried to backtrack by bringing up the 5th year transfer thing. Most have read what he actually said. The argument is what he may have been originally meaning to say. Which personally I think is fairly clear.

Also watch the video, which I've posted before, he was pissed and caught himself from saying anything else. There's an definite pause where he collected his thoughts and said what he thought would be less damning, at least that's how I'm reading it. No one can crawl up in to his skull and know what he really meant. But the 5th year comment was completely out of left field, and would be a head scratcher for sure.


http://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2015/4/7/8358177/bo-ryan-says-wisconsin-doesnt-rent-players-after-losing-championship#ooid=B0Zm5kdDrrAO0D8qs1VOdBjYI1rqFejO

 

[GoGoGophers]

No one is disputing the question, the context, etc.

What the point is, he made a snarky comment about Duke and UK and then tried to backtrack by bringing up the 5th year transfer thing. Most have read what he actually said. The argument is what he may have been originally meaning to say. Which personally I think is fairly clear.

Absolutely; backpedaling pure and simple. The 5th year transfer statement is nonsensical and has nothing to do with the rent-a-player discussions of college basketball. It's crystal clear to everyone what Bo was implying; the only people spinning this are little Bo's sheep.

Ole and Doc - shouldn't you guys be with the other badgers on Diamond's twitter feed? Your classy brethren need more help harassing an 18-year old. Show 'em the wisconsin way!

 

[Dr.Don]

I can't beieve you posters are wasting good air talking about Bo.

 

[badgerdoc]

Absolutely; backpedaling pure and simple. The 5th year transfer statement is nonsensical and has nothing to do with the rent-a-player discussions of college basketball. It's crystal clear to everyone what Bo was implying; the only people spinning this are little Bo's sheep.

Ole and Doc - shouldn't you guys be with the other badgers on Diamond's twitter feed? Your classy brethren need more help harassing an 18-year old. Show 'em the wisconsin way!

Diamond Stone? The kid going to Maryland? Why would I care? Sure a handful of idiots said crude and racist things to him, but they don't represent me or 99.999% of Badger fans or sports fans for that matter.

Their comments are no more idiotic than yours frankly. Bo was angry and frustrated,but he did not call out Duke or Kentucky or one and done players.

He was talking about his program in response to a question that was asked about his seniors. The 5 year rule has long been a sticky point for him. It has nothing to do with Duke or Kentucky. It has to do with how he thinks players should be loyal to those who built them up and taught them to be players.

And for what it's worth I happen to disagree with him. If a kid has an actual degree and wants to transfer, I am good with it.

 

[Go4]

I can't beieve you posters are wasting good air talking about Bo.

says the guy who wasted good air typing "GO BADGERS" about a dozen times leading up to the national title game.

 

[balds]

Bo is a snake oil salesman, he wouldn't be there if he wasn't. It's clear to me that he pulled the 5th year transfer reference out of his ass to cover up an obvious slight at Duke. Great coach, but a very petty man. He is an extremely poor loser and very thin skinned. You lose to a team with three "rent a players", scorn them as less that honorable, then pause and throw in the "take a fifth year Senior or whatever"? He looks very old, perhaps he should retire

A team with his offense efficiency can't possibly be beaten straight up, can they? Did he mention their offense efficiency enough? Did he mention how nobody from the national media appreciated their offensive efficiency? Did he mention how great he was because he coached a team with such great offensive efficiency ?

He should have coached that offensive efficiency instead of bitching to the officials while his team hoisted tired threes.