Bo Ryan getting blasted for post-game complaining about refs

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justthefacts said:
I thought this was a thread about embedding random tweets and I was just trying to keep up.

Coach K in March of 2014:
“It’s like old stuff,” Krzyzewski said. “I think when you win a long time – and we’re not a state school, so you don’t have a press corps protecting you a little bit – you’re out there. That goes with the territory. And not only that, but announcers and talk show hosts and whatever – they will not say anything about yesterday’s game.
“And again, Virginia played better than we did. But obviously there were 38 free throws to 11. There were things that if you’re trying to homer for somebody, you could homer. And we don’t get that at all. Ever.
“So that does get old. But you know what? I’m not going to start losing – or try to start losing – to get away from that.”

http://feinstein.radio.cbssports.co...-calls-for-virginia-in-acc-championship-game/

Rick Pitino in Feb of 2012:

The officials “are really starting to get under my nerves,” Pitino said. “I don’t know who the hell they think they are. The level of arrogance, I just cannot believe it.”

And more, according to our RapidReporter Evan Hilbert: “I have a problem with the officials. They thought they were the three guys going into the Referee Hall of Fame the way they talked to me. I don’t know what they’re looking at sometimes, but they’re so positive, they should really go into the Referee Hall of Fame.”

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/26283066/34972183

Tom Izzo, Saturday:

I think it's just a drive and get fouled. You know, you're not allowed to touch anybody any more," Izzo said. "I was here when we had smashmouth basketball. I totally agree — I don't think that's the right way to do it.

"But I also don't think ... I don't think anybody wants to see the best players on the bench."

"It's not as much fun to coach when you're constantly telling guys, 'Don't touch 'em, don't move,' " he said. "We had some fouls we deserved, but there were to me probably some right calls, but bizarre. I don't want to complain about the fouls anymore. We got our butts beat. I still say most of it was our fault."

http://www.indystar.com/story/sport...-foul-calls-wake-spartans-loss-duke/25316823/

Thad Matta last month:

Matta on the officiating: "I've been in this league 11 years and that was amazing."

http://collegespun.com/big-ten/ohio...g-his-teams-loss-to-michigan-state-last-night

Honestly, I'd probably better be careful because I'm not very happy right now with what I saw. I hadn't seen anything like that. It is what it is. You know it's going to be a physical basketball game, but yeah, I was just a little bit upset on one end to the other end and that sort of thing. But everybody did their best

http://ohiostate.scout.com/forums/3...tta-s-comments-on-officiating-or-lack-thereof
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You essentially wasted your time putting this all together. The difference is none of these coaches said and acted like the refs were the only reason they lost. Coach K even said this in your example above:

And again, Virginia played better than we did.
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If any team got screwed, it was Duke. Two bad calls on Winslow in the first half made him sit down and at least one of the fouls on Okafor was garbage as well. Would Bo really want to switch places with Coach K and have Kaminsky limited to 22 minutes of game time? If that was the case, Duke wins by 15. The more athletic team that took the ball to the basket off the bounce got to the line more in the second half...how is this a surprise? Perhaps my favorite whine is the "out of bounds" one and not because of the irony of a missed out of bounds call keeping Wisconsin from losing the B1G tournament. Hayes was clearly riding the Duke player and the ref didn't want to blow his whistle in that spot. IF he saw the foot go out of bounds, he'd have been forced to call a foul on Hayes there...it was NEVER going to just be out of bounds, Wisconsin ball. Obviously, the refs missed the out of bounds with Wisconsin down 5 late and that sucks.
 

GophersInIowa said:
You essentially wasted your time putting this all together. The difference is none of these coaches said and acted like the refs were the only reason they lost. Coach K even said this in your example above:
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You mean like when Ryan said:

"We missed some opportunities, they hit some tough shots"

"[Dekker] just was off with his outside shot. We all would have liked to have seen one or two of those go down, but they didn't. And that happens in games. He hasn't had very many of those. But it happens."

"Sometimes games are played differently, and you have to go with the flow."

"Anybody that's been around basketball knows that 10, 15, 9, 8, 13 minutes to go, that's forever. Teams make runs. Happens all the time."
 

justthefacts said:
You mean like when Ryan said:

"We missed some opportunities, they hit some tough shots"

"[Dekker] just was off with his outside shot. We all would have liked to have seen one or two of those go down, but they didn't. And that happens in games. He hasn't had very many of those. But it happens."

"Sometimes games are played differently, and you have to go with the flow."

"Anybody that's been around basketball knows that 10, 15, 9, 8, 13 minutes to go, that's forever. Teams make runs. Happens all the time."
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Not sure what point you're trying to make. Bo's postgame interviews were clearly full of anger and bile, and without class. Have other coaches done the same thing? Of course. That does not excuse Bo for acting like a petulant clown.
 

I didn't realize until this morning that when the officials are doing a video review that they do not have access to all the angles shown on TV. According to the head of officials , they did not see the view of the ball going off of the Duke player's fingertip. He said that he considered telling the game officials that there was another conclusive angle , but didn't think that would be appropriate.
 


justthefacts said:
You mean like when Ryan said: "We missed some opportunities, they hit some tough shots" "[Dekker] just was off with his outside shot. We all would have liked to have seen one or two of those go down, but they didn't. And that happens in games. He hasn't had very many of those. But it happens." "Sometimes games are played differently, and you have to go with the flow." "Anybody that's been around basketball knows that 10, 15, 9, 8, 13 minutes to go, that's forever. Teams make runs. Happens all the time."
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Took a listen to Bomani Jones talking about this and his argument was the Bo Ryan thing was a "time and place" issue. That if you talk about getting screwed by the refs against Duke, the team who plays to the refs more than anybody, 9 times out of 10 you'll have everyone agreeing with you. However, you can't say it after losing the national championship. No matter what else you include with it, you just come across as bitter and like you're making excuses. Also added, which I think is very true, college basketball officiating is done in a way that the more elite programs get calls, the more intimidating coach gets calls and no one plays this up and uses it as a direct advantage more than Duke. To me, Bo Ryan got beat at his own ref working, flopping game by a team/coach who does it better. And he's really mad about that.

Also talked about his "rent-a-player" comment. That Bo, again, just sounds bitter. That he is trying to build up this narrative about how noble, and wonderful Wisconsin is compared to the evils of college basketball. When that simply isn't true. They are a CBB team just like everyone else. His point basically was, Wisconsin is not any more noble because they can't get great, 19 year old players. Because they certainly try to, they just can't. That doesn't make them any more "the right way" that if Bo would have said no to Tyus Jones, Okafor, or Justice Winslow playing on his team he should be fired on the spot. Bo gets talent, just not that level. He tries to, doesn't, and then acts mad like "well I didn't want those guys anyways, we prefer to build from within"
 

bigticket1 said:
I didn't realize until this morning that when the officials are doing a video review that they do not have access to all the angles shown on TV. According to the head of officials , they did not see the view of the ball going off of the Duke player's fingertip. He said that he considered telling the game officials that there was another conclusive angle , but didn't think that would be appropriate.
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The question is how did Bo see such a quick touch of the ball? We had have so many replays on TV to see it. He must have magic eyes for calls against him and is blind for the calls for him.
 

EG#9 said:
If any team got screwed, it was Duke. Two bad calls on Winslow in the first half made him sit down and at least one of the fouls on Okafor was garbage as well. Would Bo really want to switch places with Coach K and have Kaminsky limited to 22 minutes of game time? If that was the case, Duke wins by 15. The more athletic team that took the ball to the basket off the bounce got to the line more in the second half...how is this a surprise? Perhaps my favorite whine is the "out of bounds" one and not because of the irony of a missed out of bounds call keeping Wisconsin from losing the B1G tournament. Hayes was clearly riding the Duke player and the ref didn't want to blow his whistle in that spot. IF he saw the foot go out of bounds, he'd have been forced to call a foul on Hayes there...it was NEVER going to just be out of bounds, Wisconsin ball. Obviously, the refs missed the out of bounds with Wisconsin down 5 late and that sucks.
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Great points. I actually saw one out of bounds call against Duke when the ball was hit by Jackson.
 

Unfortunately Bo has succeeded in dictating the narrative. In the non-sports mainstream, the CBS Morning News, yesterday's story was the "controversy" of 1-and-done players, and this morning they were talking about the out-of-bounds call and the court officials not having all the angles/cameras available.
 



Bad Gopher said:
Unfortunately Bo has succeeded in dictating the narrative. In the non-sports mainstream, the CBS Morning News, yesterday's story was the "controversy" of 1-and-done players, and this morning they were talking about the out-of-bounds call and the court officials not having all the angles/cameras available.
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I don't know that he succeeded by any means. He's been roundly criticized in all corners. He's certainly generated discussion about the refs, but I think that would have happened anyway, and it's not like they're going to award him the win retroactively.

I should be clear on my thoughts. I'm not saying that it was sensible or logical or the right thing to do to make these complaints when or how he did. But I think the 'rental player' comment was taken out of context, and I also think that complaining about the refs after tough losses is just something coaches do. It happens all the time in every sport. I didn't think Ryan should have said what he did, but I also thought that it was a little too convenient to respond by impugning Ryan's general character and making this out to be a national controversy.
 

justthefacts said:
I don't know that he succeeded by any means. He's been roundly criticized in all corners. He's certainly generated discussion about the refs, but I think that would have happened anyway, and it's not like they're going to award him the win retroactively. I should be clear on my thoughts. I'm not saying that it was sensible or logical or the right thing to do to make these complaints when or how he did. But I think the 'rental player' comment was taken out of context, and I also think that complaining about the refs after tough losses is just something coaches do. It happens all the time in every sport. I didn't think Ryan should have said what he did, but I also thought that it was a little too convenient to respond by impugning Ryan's general character and making this out to be a national controversy.
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The only part that has been frustrating for me is that everyone is saying, Gopher fans are so bitter! Look at them talk about Bo! When this was started and carried out by the national media far more than an illusion of Gopher fans.

While I agree more with the "time and place" logic, I am only enjoying this more because it's Bo :) criticize away national media, do your worst! Lol

The rent-a-player was actually worse to me. I think it was clear he started talking about one and dones, then tried to soften it a bit. Also throws in the "other people may do that, and that's fine, but not me. I would never!" He just came across as a little bitter and self righteous. Like he started to buy into (or always believed?) that Wisconsin is some home of basketball purity and how dare they lose to a team with this one and done filth.
 

justthefacts said:
I didn't think Ryan should have said what he did, but I also thought that it was a little too convenient to respond by impugning Ryan's general character and making this out to be a national controversy.
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If it was a one time thing, than I'd agree with you. Bo is notorious for being a PR nightmare and a poor loser. Most Badger fans would agree that he should keep his mouth shut most of the times. Watch him shake hands after a game he loses, he barely makes eye contact with the other team and is out of there in a second. In contrast he makes sure to hug everyone coach on the other team after a win. He works the refs all game long and pouts when things don't go his way. Great coach, it's just childish.
 

1) Duke played better on Monday night and deserved to win
2) Wisconsin had back to back seasons of historic, unprecedented basketball fun
3) The officiating in the entire tournament left something to be desired
4) Bo and the players were upset minutes after losing the biggest games of their careers.
5) Bo Ryan has wanted to change the graduate transfer rule for years
6) Of course Bo has recruited "one and done" type talent to Wisconsin
7) BUT Bo will never change the way he coaches players to accomodate what the some of the one and done talents (or for that matter any talented player) might want. If you come to Wisconsin you will play Bo's way, or you will sit on the bench. The fact that many one and done talents choose to go somewhere else is no surprise to anybody who knows this.
 



1. Agreed.
2. Not as fun as Duke this year or UK/UCONN last year.
3. Case in point: awful shot clock call against UK in Final 4.
4. Every team is disappointed after games. Very few act the way UW did.
5. Oh. Any links you can provide of him being critical of Alvarez and BB of Russel Wilson?
6. Agreed.
7. His formula works, no doubt about that. But that has nothing to do with him and a few players looking like really poor sports after the game. Just admit it and move on. No reason to defend it endlessly.

Go Gophers!!
 

badgerdoc said:
1) Duke played better on Monday night and deserved to win
2) Wisconsin had back to back seasons of historic, unprecedented basketball fun
3) The officiating in the entire tournament left something to be desired
4) Bo and the players were upset minutes after losing the biggest games of their careers.
5) Bo Ryan has wanted to change the graduate transfer rule for years
6) Of course Bo has recruited "one and done" type talent to Wisconsin
7) BUT Bo will never change the way he coaches players to accomodate what the some of the one and done talents (or for that matter any talented player) might want. If you come to Wisconsin you will play Bo's way, or you will sit on the bench. The fact that many one and done talents choose to go somewhere else is no surprise to anybody who knows this.
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8) The coach acted like an arrogant ass during his post game pressers.
9) Wisconsin players are publicly airing their frustration about officiating

8 and 9 are rare occurrences, especially if/when 1-7 are true, that's why this is newsworthy

All coaches/players are upset minutes after losing the biggest game of their lives. Some have talk show moments, some don't. It's not the first time nor will it be the last time this happens. Most of us here are happy because it's the Badgers in the spotlight for the wrong reasons

Good season Wisconsin, we are trying our hardest to catch ya on the court.

IF UW wants to build itself up as this holier than thou institution they should act like it when the light is brightest. For many Wisconsin haters, this is just a huge "SEEE SEEEEE SEEEE, I KNEW IT!" moment.
 

2) Really, I don't remember all of the media coverage about those three teams, but they didn't seem to be quite as entertaining. Maybe it is just my Big Ten bias showing through.
4) We will each see what we want to out of the post game behavior. I don't read everthing on this board but did you rip the UK players for walking of the floor without a post game handshake Saturday? How about the F""" that N""""" comment from the podium by one of the UK stars in relation to Kaminsky? I know I didn't comment about either of them until right now because I don't really care.UK was an historically great basketball team that had their dreams dashed minutes before and they reacted emotionally. Strange huh?
5) Why would Bo Ryan directly criticize his boss about an NCAA rule as is related to a football player that his boss did not coach?
For the record I am for the graduate transfer rule. It puts the player in control for once as it relates to the NCAA. If they have their degree and eligibility remaining they should be able to transfer if they want with no penalty
 

My 2 cents. ...

Izzo wasn't quite as frontal about it as Bo was, but after Duke spanked Sparty it was very apparent to me Izzo was none to pleased about how his game was officiated, either (specifically, I think, Dawson's 3rd and 4th touch fouls after Duke was getting calls seemingly every time it attacked the basket).

Reading between the lines of what both coaches said/implied after the game, think it's pretty obvious what they were saying, a feeling I'd guess they share with a lot of coaches and fans of other schools across the country. ... more often than not Duke gets the lion's share of the 50/50 calls.

I really wasn't all that offended by anything Bo said or the way he acted, and I watched pretty much the entire postgame press conference. Sure there were a couple digs in there, but nothing we haven't seen before from a lot of coaches. Just goes to show we can all watch the same thing and come out with different conclusions.

Actually, if I was to be critical of any Badgers it would be Koenig and Hayes for their postgame tweets. I understand it's the heat of the moment, it's OK for them to feel that way, but just can't do that. As others have pointed out, in that situation the high road always works better. They should have followed the lead of Frank the Tank and Dekker, who unless I missed something were very gracious in defeat.
 

badgerdoc said:
2) Really, I don't remember all of the media coverage about those three teams, but they didn't seem to be quite as entertaining. Maybe it is just my Big Ten bias showing through.
4) We will each see what we want to out of the post game behavior. I don't read everthing on this board but did you rip the UK players for walking of the floor without a post game handshake Saturday? How about the F""" that N""""" comment from the podium by one of the UK stars in relation to Kaminsky? I know I didn't comment about either of them until right now because I don't really care.UK was an historically great basketball team that had their dreams dashed minutes before and they reacted emotionally. Strange huh?
5) Why would Bo Ryan directly criticize his boss about an NCAA rule as is related to a football player that his boss did not coach?
For the record I am for the graduate transfer rule. It puts the player in control for once as it relates to the NCAA. If they have their degree and eligibility remaining they should be able to transfer if they want with no penalty
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The player was ripped if I remember correctly but not as much as wisconsin because wisconsin is our rival, plain and simple. You don't want to see wisconsin getting ripped don't come to a MN gopher forum
 

Winasota Gopher said:
8) The coach acted like an arrogant ass during his post game pressers.
9) Wisconsin players are publicly airing their frustration about officiating

8 and 9 are rare occurrences, especially if/when 1-7 are true, that's why this is newsworthy

All coaches/players are upset minutes after losing the biggest game of their lives. Some have talk show moments, some don't. It's not the first time nor will it be the last time this happens. Most of us here are happy because it's the Badgers in the spotlight for the wrong reasons

Good season Wisconsin, we are trying our hardest to catch ya on the court.

IF UW wants to build itself up as this holier than thou institution they should act like it when the light is brightest. For many Wisconsin haters, this is just a huge "SEEE SEEEEE SEEEE, I KNEW IT!" moment.
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From where I sit UW isn't holier than anybody. They have just had a sustained,high level of success in their 2 major sports for 15 plus years. It actually still amazes this older Badger fan who grew up in Madison and attended school in the 80s and early 90s when hockey was all we had to hang our hats on. My how times have changed. Success will make you a target in our culture. The being targeted, particularly by the fans of your rivals but even more so by the national talking heads is like an expected but goofy badge of honor.
 

SelectionSunday said:
My 2 cents. ...

Izzo wasn't quite as frontal about it as Bo was, but after Duke spanked Sparty it was very apparent to me Izzo was none to pleased about how his game was officiated, either (specifically, I think, Dawson's 3rd and 4th touch fouls after Duke was getting calls seemingly every time it attacked the basket).

Reading between the lines of what both coaches said/implied after the game, think it's pretty obvious what they were saying, a feeling I'd guess they share with a lot of coaches and fans of other schools across the country. ... more often than not Duke gets the lion's share of the 50/50 calls.

I really wasn't all that offended by anything Bo said or the way he acted, and I watched pretty much the entire postgame press conference. Just goes to show we can all watch the same thing and come out with different conclusions. Actually, if I was to be critical of any Badgers it would be Koenig and Hayes for their postgame tweets. I understand it's the heat of the moment, it's OK for them to feel that way, but just can't do that. As others have pointed out, in that situation the high road always works better. They should have followed the lead of Frank the Tank and Dekker, who unless I missed something were very gracious in defeat.
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Well stated.
 

badgerdoc, it is pretty obvious that it is important to you that we view Bo and the Badgers in a positive manner. That is flattering.

Congrats on a great season.

Go Gophers!!
 

SelectionSunday said:
My 2 cents. ...

Izzo wasn't quite as frontal about it as Bo was, but after Duke spanked Sparty it was very apparent to me Izzo was none to pleased about how his game was officiated, either (specifically, I think, Dawson's 3rd and 4th touch fouls after Duke was getting calls seemingly every time it attacked the basket).

Reading between the lines of what both coaches said/implied after the game, think it's pretty obvious what they were saying, a feeling I'd guess they share with a lot of coaches and fans of other schools across the country. ... more often than not Duke gets the lion's share of the 50/50 calls.

I really wasn't all that offended by anything Bo said or the way he acted, and I watched pretty much the entire postgame press conference. Sure there were a couple digs in there, but nothing we haven't seen before from a lot of coaches. Just goes to show we can all watch the same thing and come out with different conclusions.

Actually, if I was to be critical of any Badgers it would be Koenig and Hayes for their postgame tweets. I understand it's the heat of the moment, it's OK for them to feel that way, but just can't do that. As others have pointed out, in that situation the high road always works better. They should have followed the lead of Frank the Tank and Dekker, who unless I missed something were very gracious in defeat.
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Tom Izzo is also a clean version of Bo Ryan. He works the refs all game long. Sometimes I feel like he doesn't even watch the game. I never forget one of those losses that Uk had against MSU was really because of a foul that was not called in OT. I don't remember anybody complaining about it. I also was at a game in MN when Greene really killed Austin on the basket and refs let it go. Refs are humans like coach's. They do make mistakes too. I have tried to be a ref for soccer matches that are so much easier than being a basketball ref. It was the hardest thing that I have ever done in sports.
 

The-Real-Truth said:
Tom Izzo is also a clean version of Bo Ryan. He works the refs all game long.
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Izzo and Bo work the officials like no others in the Big Ten. Pretty sure most people that closely follow Big Ten basketball would agree with that.
 

Can you imagine the reaction from wisconsin fans if Calipari had made the exact same remarks after they lost on Saturday, especially after that blown shot-clock violation?

Get off your high horses, and go back to your own fanbase.
 

Unregistered User said:
Can you imagine the reaction from wisconsin fans if Calipari had made the exact same remarks after they lost on Saturday, especially after that blown shot-clock violation?

Get off your high horses, and go back to your own fanbase.
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oh the comedy of self-righteous indignation from a segment of Gopher fans.
 



Dinkytown said:
Oh, the mystery that is the segment of Gopher fans who cape for Wisconsin.
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Yeah, I don't get this either. Do they just want a sticker for being good people? And if they get a sticker for being a good-person-who-roots-for-every-team-equally-and-is-completely-dispassionate-about-silly-little-things-like-sports, will they go to a different board and stop with the judgmental condescension?
 


scools12 said:
oh the comedy of self-righteous indignation from a segment of Gopher fans.
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I see that you attack other people as well. Do you own this board? Why do think that you have to constantly attack people for their opinion? This is a message board. As long as you follow the rules, you are entitled to your opinion.
 

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