Big Ten QB ratings after week 1

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1. Taylor Martinez 212.5
2. Danny O'Brien 191.3
3. Robert Marve 164.9
4. Braxton Miller 158.3
5. Kain Colter 152.1
6. MarQueis Gray 147.3
7. Tre Roberson 146.7
8. N. Scheelhaase 127.1
9. Matt McGloin 111.3
10. D. Robinson 104.2
11. A. Maxwell 96.9
12. J. Vandenberg 96.5


Man, if only MarQueis hadn't had such a horrible game last Thursday.
 

Q stepped up when he needed to and finished 6 of 9 and two TD's for the 4th quarter and OT combined. I will gladly take a 147 rating at years end. If so, we likely go bowling.
 

Shortell would have a 1000.0 rating, book it.
 

Hmmm, I thought Martinez couldn't throw the ball?
 

Bayfieldgopher said:
Q stepped up when he needed to and finished 6 of 9 and two TD's for the 4th quarter and OT combined. I will gladly take a 147 rating at years end. If so, we likely go bowling.
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The Marquis panic is unfounded IMO. I was much more concerned with the receivers getting open than Quis getting them the ball. If this becomes a trend then we can start to worry, but right now I'm more concerned with the LB and OL play than the QB.
Add in the clutch factor for Thurs and Quis had a solid if underachieving game.
 



I want to start out by saying I still think Gray will settle down and have a big year, but he was terrible on Thursday night. His stats before OT were not good, yes he made a couple nice plays in OT but had he been even competent in regulation it would have been a 21 point game at least, even Kill said the same thing.

Gray's poor play was the biggest reason the game was even close. I think he will play much better this Saturday.
 

Imagine what his QB rating would've been if the UNLV game was played at sea level......
 

Judging a QB by his stats is like judging a recruit by his # of stars.
 



DMB123 said:
I want to start out by saying I still think Gray will settle down and have a big year, but he was terrible on Thursday night. His stats before OT were not good, yes he made a couple nice plays in OT but had he been even competent in regulation it would have been a 21 point game at least, even Kill said the same thing.

Gray's poor play was the biggest reason the game was even close. I think he will play much better this Saturday.
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I re-watched the game the other day to see if I was too hard on Q. I wasn't. I do have confidence that he will improve on his touch throughout the season though and am not worried...yet.
 

His inconsistency is what made it a "bad" game. Fact is, if he was really on, we win going away and he doesn't even play the 4th Q, and OT isn't even a thought. He was just way too jacked up, even on the shorter routes, he was throwing bullets. I feel like as time goes on, that's gonna subside. And if it does, he could be very dangerous next year.

I was okay with his play mentally in regards to he didn't really make many bad reads, he was making the right plays, just a little too fired up on some of those routes. I think even if he hits Rabe on that first drive, we have a completely different game. But whatever, we won, he gets a chance to get better, and that's all we can ask for now.
 


I'm curious as to why people fixate on the 5 horrible throws and ignore the other 25 (i.e., 83% of the throws he made on the day).
 



station19 said:
Judging a QB by his stats is like judging a recruit by his # of stars.
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I agree. People keep looking at his stats from Thursday and use that to say he played ok or even well. OT is the only reason his stats looked decent. When you get three extra possessions starting at the 25 yard line of course your stats as a QB will improve. Any stats from OT should not be included in the actual game stats in my opinion.

Gray's numbers made a horrendous night look decent, thanks to overtime.
 

dpodoll68 said:
1. Taylor Martinez 212.5
2. Danny O'Brien 191.3
3. Robert Marve 164.9
4. Braxton Miller 158.3
5. Kain Colter 152.1
6. MarQueis Gray 147.3
7. Tre Roberson 146.7
8. N. Scheelhaase 127.1
9. Matt McGloin 111.3
10. D. Robinson 104.2
11. A. Maxwell 96.9
12. J. Vandenberg 96.5


Man, if only MarQueis hadn't had such a horrible game last Thursday.
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Please tell me you are not trying to make the case that Gray wasn't terrible Thursday. I dont care what the stats show, Gray was a very bad quarterback against UNLV. I'm VERY confident he'll be better the rest of the way but he's the sole reason that game was close. He was terrible.
 

dpodoll68 said:
I'm curious as to why people fixate on the 5 horrible throws and ignore the other 25 (i.e., 83% of the throws he made on the day).
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You must be new to this forum. ;)
 


beatles said:
Please tell me you are not trying to make the case that Gray wasn't terrible Thursday. I dont care what the stats show, Gray was a very bad quarterback against UNLV. I'm VERY confident he'll be better the rest of the way but he's the sole reason that game was close. He was terrible.
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That's exactly the case I'm making. He was not terrible. He was average. There is no possible way to amass the rating he did and have a "terrible" game. He was inconsistent. He made 5 terrible throws. People are pretending that those 5 throws were the difference between an average and a terrible game. They weren't. They were the difference between an outstanding and an average game. "I don't care what the stats show" is another way of saying "I'm not interested in facts."
 

dpodoll68 said:
I'm curious as to why people fixate on the 5 horrible throws and ignore the other 25 (i.e., 83% of the throws he made on the day).
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"Though Gray completed 56.6% of his passes (17-for-30, one interception) -- six points higher than his average last season (50.7%) -- he badly missed his receivers on numerous occasions against a porous UNLV secondary. It was obvious Gray was getting overly excited and anxious -- a charge he freely admitted to postgame. Gray had nine overthrows to open receivers, with a sizeable chunk of them coming off play action."

http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/Breaking_down_the_tape_from_the_Gophers_win_over_UNLV090212
 

dpodoll68 said:
I'm curious as to why people fixate on the 5 horrible throws and ignore the other 25 (i.e., 83% of the throws he made on the day).
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Not fixated, but it is impossible to ignore easy TD miss-throws. These are must have plays against better teams. Kill was quoted as saying nine bad throws by the way, so I'm being way more positive than he is.:)
 

dpodoll68 said:
I'm curious as to why people fixate on the 5 horrible throws and ignore the other 25 (i.e., 83% of the throws he made on the day).
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Kill actually said there were 9 throws that Gray missed that would have or could have been TD's and if he makes just 2 or 3 of them we win going away. How silly of us to focus on a handful of plays where receivers were wide open for sure TD's that would have blown the game wide open, and instead had to squeak out a win in OT that never should have come to that.
 

station19 said:
"Though Gray completed 56.6% of his passes (17-for-30, one interception) -- six points higher than his average last season (50.7%) -- he badly missed his receivers on numerous occasions against a porous UNLV secondary. It was obvious Gray was getting overly excited and anxious -- a charge he freely admitted to postgame. Gray had nine overthrows to open receivers, with a sizeable chunk of them coming off play action."
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There's no way that number is accurate. Sorry, I don't trust Nate Sandell's football acumen when reviewing game film. Let's suppose that number were accurate (which, again, it isn't) - that means Gray was 17-of-21 (81%) on well-thrown balls. And that's a "horrible" game? People are simply not dealing in reality. It wasn't a "horrible" game. It was an average game, with some good plays and some bad plays, and with more bad plays than one should expect from a Sr. quarterback.
 

dpodoll68 said:
That's exactly the case I'm making. He was not terrible. He was average. There is no possible way to amass the rating he did and have a "terrible" game. He was inconsistent. He made 5 terrible throws. People are pretending that those 5 throws were the difference between an average and a terrible game. They weren't. They were the difference between an outstanding and an average game. "I don't care what the stats show" is another way of saying "I'm not interested in facts."
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First of all, it seemed to me that there were more bad throws than just the five you claim. Also the bad throws he made took away 2 sure touchdowns, maybe more. No one who watched that game can walk away thinking Gray wasn't terrible.
 

dpodoll68 said:
There's no way that number is accurate. Sorry, I don't trust Nate Sandell's football acumen when reviewing game film. Let's suppose that number were accurate (which, again, it isn't) - that means Gray was 17-of-21 (81%) on well-thrown balls. And that's a "horrible" game? People are simply not dealing in reality. It wasn't a "horrible" game. It was an average game, with some good plays and some bad plays, and with more bad plays than one should expect from a Sr. quarterback.
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Well of course a QB's stats look great when you take away just about all of the bad throws he made all night, in Gray's case 9 total. Are you being serious?
 

DMB123 said:
How silly of us to focus on a handful of plays where receivers were wide open for sure TD's that would have blown the game wide open, and instead had to squeak out a win in OT that never should have come to that.
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I didn't say it was silly to focus on those plays. It is silly, as I've stated, to characterize them as the difference between a horrible and an average game. They were the difference between an average and an outstanding game. We did get the W, in case anyone forgot. And why would anyone discount the throws made in overtime? What more do you need for a sample of clutch throws than in overtime?
 

dpodoll68 said:
There's no way that number is accurate. Sorry, I don't trust Nate Sandell's football acumen when reviewing game film.
People are simply not dealing in reality.
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Now who's ignoring facts?
And you are the one who is not dealing with reality.
 



DMB123 said:
Well of course a QB's stats look great when you take away just about all of the bad throws he made all night, in Gray's case 9 total. Are you being serious?
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Yes, I'm dead serious. How is ignoring all the good throws and focusing on the bad ones any different than ignoring all the bad throws and looking only at the good ones?
 

beatles said:
Please tell me you are not trying to make the case that Gray wasn't terrible Thursday. I dont care what the stats show, Gray was a very bad quarterback against UNLV. I'm VERY confident he'll be better the rest of the way but he's the sole reason that game was close. He was terrible.
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Huh? Terrible? The sole reason the game was close?

Q did not fumble, the lone INT was a tipped pass which may have been an errant pass, he came through in the clutch as he completed 67% of his passes and two scores, for the most part made good reads, put together some good runs, seemed to have control of the huddle and play calling, etc. OK, he badly missed on five wide open receivers. Tell us, what else did he do so horribly?

"Sole reason that game was close"? I don't recall him jumping offside on third down, making personal fouls and PI, blotched punt return, missed FG that kept UNLV in the game.

Gray did not have a great game but he and other Srs. (Rabe, Troy, Wettstein, etc.) stepped up when it counted. I'll take 147 anyday.
 

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