FT shooting also isn’t shooting 3s. You also missed the point.
This is irrelevant to my point, but Dahlmans MSU career was fine. He played quite a bit as a freshman, but then He got recruited over by some really good top 50 ranked guards. Had he chosen to transfer he could’ve played more at a majority of any B1G school.
He maybe had one of the worst careers of any top 15 recruit in recent memory (barring a scandal).
He wasn’t a top 15 recruit. He was like a top 75ish kid.
That's been explained to stocker like 400 times already in this thread. He just ignores it and continues along with his argument.
If Ben had a balanced roster, had used his scholarships, things had been going well and then had injuries happen, this would be a different discussion and the defenders would be right. It’s gone bad all year, the roster is haywire and the two guys who got injured before the season were PFs …Battle and Garcia’s position.
If you can't see Payne as an unbelievable athlete who's going to get a whole lot better, you'd be in a distinct minority among people around here who have been around basketball for a long time and who know the game. I'm not talking about this year, he has a lot of development ahead of him, and he'll get there.
Also the fact of how much he’s continued to improve since he was a sophomore in high school.
State champ.
He's a late starter and hasn't even come close yet to being the player he's going to be.
Agreed. When Ben was hired, most of us, including me, were not happy because it was a huge unnecessary gamble by Coyle and the U. I felt Ben had maybe a 30%/70% chance of succeeding here versus a proven coach like Craig Smith whose odds I would have put at the reverse of that. Last season didn't really do anything to change my perception positive or negative. Sure when we were 11-1, my optimism was higher, but by the end, the season was more or less what we expected.
Seriously? Neither Mizzou or Kansas State have been great in recent years/decades. Why are they not a good comparison?
More of an indictment on where we are than them being good
To me, Ben feels like the guy where if anybody else in the Big 10 hired him, I'd say "nice, don't have to worry about those guys with him there."
Maybe. He kinda got recruited over. Evans PT will almost certainly come from Payne's budget - put another way, it's not likely coming from Garcia's or Battle's.
Define a “whole lot better”.
We didn't lose tonight. That's an improvement.
Don't be so sure. Not losing takes us off of the Clem Haskins/Rutgers/wingspan trajectory that is goingto deliver us to the promised land. We needed the loss to stay on schedule.
That's certainly possible. There may be some times in which they could play together, but Payne would have to show he can shoot it a little. And with injuries and foul trouble, I don't mind having two capable centers on the squad.
Well, I wouldn't want to give you specific stats, but the most glaring areas where he will improve are his ability to score and taking care of the ball. He can certainly rebound better than he has so far and defend, and these will improve with time. But I watched him play in high school and in the summer a few times, and the guy had a decent shot-not great, but not awful either. I think he can make 15 foot and closer jumpers and he can also put the ball on the floor and get by people.