Ben Johnson is a Disaster

Anyone that holds to the premise that this job hire was overseen by Gabel (as I do) needs to also realize the firing would also be under her "guidance". He's here for a while and I want him to succeed.

You can’t be historically bad over 3 seasons and keep your job beyond that in basketball no matter why you were hired. There’s a big difference between being competitive and losing, and being the worst coach in program history. We are the latter currently. Basketball makes too much money to be this non competitive beyond next season.
 


I know this is the reality, but the man is one of the highest paid ADs in college sports at nearly $1 million per year. He’s paid that much to make those difficult decisions and defend them against people whose attention and interests are elsewhere. If his hand was forced by his boss, then bring in someone else at a fraction of the cost and have Gabel make all coaching hires.
I don't think all of his decisions are forced by his bosses, but I think that one was.

What you're describing is a big issue for a lot of companies, they hire competent CEOs who are completely hamstrung by BoD or owner that f's everything up. For a sports example, we see owners that put coaches and GMs in a box.
 

Yep. And to make matters worse they paid him way more than fair market value based on his experience. This will be about a 7 year mess to clean up
That's the scariest things about these types of moves.

They require you to pay way above market value to legitimize the move. If you paid him less, it would signal that he is worth less and so why would you want him? The real scary part is that it also makes them harder to fire.

If Craig Smith had CBJ's record, I think that seat would be warm already.
 



That's the scariest things about these types of moves.

They require you to pay way above market value to legitimize the move. If you paid him less, it would signal that he is worth less and so why would you want him? The real scary part is that it also makes them harder to fire.

If Craig Smith had CBJ's record, I think that seat would be warm already.
Well, when you hire someone with no head coaching experience (Johnson and Whalen both) you're basically saying you are willing to risk a few bad seasons.

That's what Coyle has done. It is what it is at this point. As others have said, I give each 1 more year to show significant progress and then it's time to move on.

Coyle has made 1 great hire (PJ). Motzko was an obvious hire so I am not even going to give Coyle credit for that (he was clearly the coach to hire, wanted to be here, etc.). Jury still out (but not looking good) for Johnson and Whalen. Will also be curious to see how the new volleyball guy does. Coyle has avoided scandal and got PJ as his 2 successes. His other hires are questionable and he hasn't raised any money for the athletic village. How much more time does Coyle get if Johnson and Whalen fail?
 

Basketball makes too much money to be this non competitive beyond next season.
sportico.com compiles the football&basketball revenues and expenditures for the major programs, including all the big ten schools

in the bigten, the gophers have one of the largest margins at $6M in basketball. Now, University general ledgers are beyond me. for example, i don't know how ticket sales revenues are accounted for, but
ticket sales for mens gopher basketball are $0. this seems to be typical in the bigten

If the U administration is only concerned about margins (plus no drama, and grades/graduation) - then this data might tell them they are doing great compared to their peers.
 

Wise man once say... "Hope is not a plan"
Confucius say "Man with one chopstick, go hungry"
Confucius also say "Steal a man’s wallet and he’ll be poor for a week. Teach hockey to his kids and he’ll be poor forever.”
Confucius most important saying "don't fall asleep at Rutgers game or might get hit by bad Henley shot"

Have some fun and have some hope. Life is too short to be negative all the time :)
 

You can’t be historically bad over 3 seasons and keep your job beyond that in basketball no matter why you were hired. There’s a big difference between being competitive and losing, and being the worst coach in program history. We are the latter currently. Basketball makes too much money to be this non competitive beyond next season.
I'm not saying what I want- I'm saying what I think the U will do. I wanted a big time hire- break the bank- go for it (Musselman or equivalent). I got a coach with no experience. I predicted they would do this when people wanted to fire Pitino. This is classic U of M administration stuff.
 



They can't be naive enough to think 5,000 people who aren't showing up are going to keep paying for tickets, can they?
My guess is that season ticket sales will drop markedly over the off season. That's just a guess, and I can't even tell you what I mean by markedly, but it ain't going up, and it ain't staying about the same.
 

You can’t be historically bad over 3 seasons and keep your job beyond that in basketball no matter why you were hired. There’s a big difference between being competitive and losing, and being the worst coach in program history. We are the latter currently. Basketball makes too much money to be this non competitive beyond next season.

Barring improvement, they won't have to worry about making too much money. 🤷‍♂️
 

Of course, when you hire someone who's never been a head coach or a top assistant and interviewed unsuccessfully for multiple head-coaching jobs in lower leagues, the concern is going to be that you're going to experience the worst two-year stretch in program history in his first two years. The Gophers would have to fail to win a game the rest of the way to achieve that dubious mark, but unless they figure some things out and go on a little run here, it's safe to say this is bad enough.

When people who know I'm a fan ask me what I think of the current predicament, the first thing I always bring up is the day Ben was hired and the reaction here on GH. In all my days--over 20,000 days now--I don't know if I've ever observed the expression of shock and horror as there was here when it became obvious that he was the guy...and I've seen the fan reactions of the 1975 Hail Mary and the 1998 and 2009 seasons NFC title game losses. Most of us were in disbelief then, and most of us, I think, still are. Much hope was expressed then that it wouldn't end up being very bad, but we feared that it would. I can only speak for myself, but, as low as my expectations were in that moment, what's happened since has somehow managed to slip under them. Something this historically bad in the open portal era is almost impossible to believe, but here we are.

Weirdly, as difficult as this is to believe, it can't be seen as very surprising. The shock and horror of two years ago was accurately intuitive, just as I remember my stomach turning over on my drive to work when I heard about the 1999 academic scandal on the radio. As much as I hoped it wouldn't amount to much, I knew it was bad; my stomach told me so. My same stomach had the same reaction two years ago. When you know, you know. I hoped I and my stomach were wrong, and I've been hoping against hope ever since, but it's played out as I feared.

At this point, we're being fed hopium by the spoonful from a number of sources including the mainstream media. There's no rational reason to believe this thing is going to turn around, even with the young talent coming in next year. This is not Clem Haskins, who had Western Kentucky in the top 20 before coming here. Nor is this anyone who was hired anywhere with estimable qualifications. This isn't even Gerry Faust, who'd been a successful head coach in high school.

We were all impressed with Ben's coaching job when he was miked up against OSU. He may be a competent game-day coach, but that doesn't mean he's an overall good coach or a program builder. In fact, he presents as a program destroyer at this point. In Pitino's last year here, there were ups and downs, but they were nationally ranked for a while before things wen't south, including a blowout win over Michigan. Most of us were ready to move on from the ups and the downs under Richard, but if you'd have told me that it would result in the program being blasted back to the stone age and we had to rebuild civilization from the ground up, I'd have said to keep your nukes in their silos. This has been horrific. The Barn is nearly empty, and the program is now a joke. A disaster indeed. It didn't have to be this way.
 

You can’t be historically bad over 3 seasons and keep your job beyond that in basketball no matter why you were hired. There’s a big difference between being competitive and losing, and being the worst coach in program history. We are the latter currently. Basketball makes too much money to be this non competitive beyond next season.
Lindsey Whalen disagrees.
 



How is this even up for debate anymore.... He is so far in over his head... Throw the man his life raft ...
 

Im not going to lie. When I received a text that the gophers hired Ben Johnson my initial thought was that it was strange we hired an assistant coach prior to a head coach.
 

Of course, when you hire someone who's never been a head coach or a top assistant and interviewed unsuccessfully for multiple head-coaching jobs in lower leagues, the concern is going to be that you're going to experience the worst two-year stretch in program history in his first two years. The Gophers would have to fail to win a game the rest of the way to achieve that dubious mark, but unless they figure some things out and go on a little run here, it's safe to say this is bad enough.

When people who know I'm a fan ask me what I think of the current predicament, the first thing I always bring up is the day Ben was hired and the reaction here on GH. In all my days--over 20,000 days now--I don't know if I've ever observed the expression of shock and horror as there was here when it became obvious that he was the guy...and I've seen the fan reactions of the 1975 Hail Mary and the 1998 and 2009 seasons NFC title game losses. Most of us were in disbelief then, and most of us, I think, still are. Much hope was expressed then that it wouldn't end up being very bad, but we feared that it would. I can only speak for myself, but, as low as my expectations were in that moment, what's happened since has somehow managed to slip under them. Something this historically bad in the open portal era is almost impossible to believe, but here we are.

Weirdly, as difficult as this is to believe, it can't be seen as very surprising. The shock and horror of two years ago was accurately intuitive, just as I remember my stomach turning over on my drive to work when I heard about the 1999 academic scandal on the radio. As much as I hoped it wouldn't amount to much, I knew it was bad; my stomach told me so. My same stomach had the same reaction two years ago. When you know, you know. I hoped I and my stomach were wrong, and I've been hoping against hope ever since, but it's played out as I feared.

At this point, we're being fed hopium by the spoonful from a number of sources including the mainstream media. There's no rational reason to believe this thing is going to turn around, even with the young talent coming in next year. This is not Clem Haskins, who had Western Kentucky in the top 20 before coming here. Nor is this anyone who was hired anywhere with estimable qualifications. This isn't even Gerry Faust, who'd been a successful head coach in high school.

We were all impressed with Ben's coaching job when he was miked up against OSU. He may be a competent game-day coach, but that doesn't mean he's an overall good coach or a program builder. In fact, he presents as a program destroyer at this point. In Pitino's last year here, there were ups and downs, but they were nationally ranked for a while before things wen't south, including a blowout win over Michigan. Most of us were ready to move on from the ups and the downs under Richard, but if you'd have told me that it would result in the program being blasted back to the stone age and we had to rebuild civilization from the ground up, I'd have said to keep your nukes in their silos. This has been horrific. The Barn is nearly empty, and the program is now a joke. A disaster indeed. It didn't have to be this way.
Thanks, This is well written and speaks to what many of us have experienced.

There have been a few bright spots and reason for a smidgen of hope for next year. It is a 3 year (minimum) plan and Coyle/Gable's experiment with Ben will be judged based on the full 3-4 years. Ben still has the opportunity to make this work.

Still, the last 2 years feel like I was handcuffed onto the school bus and Ben just took a wrong turn on to the Black Diamond run at Afton Alps. It has been interesting, but not much fun so far...
 

Of course, when you hire someone who's never been a head coach or a top assistant and interviewed unsuccessfully for multiple head-coaching jobs in lower leagues, the concern is going to be that you're going to experience the worst two-year stretch in program history in his first two years. The Gophers would have to fail to win a game the rest of the way to achieve that dubious mark, but unless they figure some things out and go on a little run here, it's safe to say this is bad enough.

When people who know I'm a fan ask me what I think of the current predicament, the first thing I always bring up is the day Ben was hired and the reaction here on GH. In all my days--over 20,000 days now--I don't know if I've ever observed the expression of shock and horror as there was here when it became obvious that he was the guy...and I've seen the fan reactions of the 1975 Hail Mary and the 1998 and 2009 seasons NFC title game losses. Most of us were in disbelief then, and most of us, I think, still are. Much hope was expressed then that it wouldn't end up being very bad, but we feared that it would. I can only speak for myself, but, as low as my expectations were in that moment, what's happened since has somehow managed to slip under them. Something this historically bad in the open portal era is almost impossible to believe, but here we are.

Weirdly, as difficult as this is to believe, it can't be seen as very surprising. The shock and horror of two years ago was accurately intuitive, just as I remember my stomach turning over on my drive to work when I heard about the 1999 academic scandal on the radio. As much as I hoped it wouldn't amount to much, I knew it was bad; my stomach told me so. My same stomach had the same reaction two years ago. When you know, you know. I hoped I and my stomach were wrong, and I've been hoping against hope ever since, but it's played out as I feared.

At this point, we're being fed hopium by the spoonful from a number of sources including the mainstream media. There's no rational reason to believe this thing is going to turn around, even with the young talent coming in next year. This is not Clem Haskins, who had Western Kentucky in the top 20 before coming here. Nor is this anyone who was hired anywhere with estimable qualifications. This isn't even Gerry Faust, who'd been a successful head coach in high school.

We were all impressed with Ben's coaching job when he was miked up against OSU. He may be a competent game-day coach, but that doesn't mean he's an overall good coach or a program builder. In fact, he presents as a program destroyer at this point. In Pitino's last year here, there were ups and downs, but they were nationally ranked for a while before things wen't south, including a blowout win over Michigan. Most of us were ready to move on from the ups and the downs under Richard, but if you'd have told me that it would result in the program being blasted back to the stone age and we had to rebuild civilization from the ground up, I'd have said to keep your nukes in their silos. This has been horrific. The Barn is nearly empty, and the program is now a joke. A disaster indeed. It didn't have to be this way.
This. And it makes "he gets 2-3 more years no matter what" unacceptable / intolerable. We all know how this is likely to end. It's just a question of how long the small remaining fan base will be tortured for the sake of the ego of the Administration / AD.
 




Thanks, This is well written and speaks to what many of us have experienced.

There have been a few bright spots and reason for a smidgen of hope for next year. It is a 3 year (minimum) plan and Coyle/Gable's experiment with Ben will be judged based on the full 3-4 years. Ben still has the opportunity to make this work.

Still, the last 2 years feel like I was handcuffed onto the school bus and Ben just took a wrong turn on to the Black Diamond run at Afton Alps. It has been interesting, but not much fun so far...

The problem is that 3 to 4 year turnarounds are verbiage from a bygone era. In the transfer era, you can get guys quickly to fill holes and on the flip side can't count on young guys sticking around for 2 or 3 years while you lose.

The "4 year rebuild" is now just an excuse to give certain coaches a free pass because of a personal investment.
 

Lindsey has won 7 or more B1G games in 3 of her four seasons. If Ben somehow wins 7 B1G games this year, I'll pay for his statue.
He likely won't win 7 games in his first two years combined.
 

Lindsey Whalen disagrees.

Whalen was 37-26 overall and 14-22 in the B1G her first 2 seasons. Those numbers are a dream compared to Ben's so far. Definitely not historically bad. It's not heading in the right direction now though. But unlike men's basketball, women's basketball is not a revenue generating sport.
 


The buyout I've seen is $1.95 million but it starts to go down incrementally if he is fired after April 30th of this season.
I know this would never happen, but there should be some language in the contract that if you fail to win less than 20% of your conference games, you forfeit your buyout due to being terrible at your job. I wish I found a job where I would be paid millions to leave due to incompetence.
 

I'm not writing this to suggest that it's a certainty that Ben Johnson will turn this program around, or that this season has been "part of the plan" that he has. It's been pretty awful. And no matter what, this will get ripped by a lot of you because you can't help yourselves. But I think it's worth noting what Steve Pikiell has done at Rutgers in the Big Ten:

2016-2017: 3-15
2017-2018: 3-15
2018-2019: 7-13
2019-2020: 11-9
2020-2021: 10-10
2021-2022: 12-8
2022-2023: 7-4, 2nd place in the Big Ten

I believe there were a lot of people calling for Pikiell's head during the first couple of seasons. He slowly built something, and they have a very good program right now. This is possible here, no matter how many people say Johnson has "destroyed" Minnesota basketball. Let's see where he's at after next season's finished before going ballistic.

There will be incoming missiles arguing that this situation is different for a multitude of reasons, but it's still possible, and it may help your blood pressure to see it as a possibility too.
 

I'm not writing this to suggest that it's a certainty that Ben Johnson will turn this program around, or that this season has been "part of the plan" that he has. It's been pretty awful. And no matter what, this will get ripped by a lot of you because you can't help yourselves. But I think it's worth noting what Steve Pikiell has done at Rutgers in the Big Ten:

2016-2017: 3-15
2017-2018: 3-15
2018-2019: 7-13
2019-2020: 11-9
2020-2021: 10-10
2021-2022: 12-8
2022-2023: 7-4, 2nd place in the Big Ten

I believe there were a lot of people calling for Pikiell's head during the first couple of seasons. He slowly built something, and they have a very good program right now. This is possible here, no matter how many people say Johnson has "destroyed" Minnesota basketball. Let's see where he's at after next season's finished before going ballistic.

There will be incoming missiles arguing that this situation is different for a multitude of reasons, but it's still possible, and it may help your blood pressure to see it as a possibility too.
Of course the situation is different. Because of Pikiell's track record as a head coach, there was rational reason for hope and confidence in him.
 

The problem is that 3 to 4 year turnarounds are verbiage from a bygone era. In the transfer era, you can get guys quickly to fill holes and on the flip side can't count on young guys sticking around for 2 or 3 years while you lose.

The "4 year rebuild" is now just an excuse to give certain coaches a free pass because of a personal investment.
I don't like it either. The portal allows for a much faster competitive product while a new coach is implementing his long term plan. Ben has had a lot of misses there and elsewhere.

He has another year or two to pull together and put a good product on the court. Can he do it? I am hopeful but same as everyone else a little doubtful based on the last 18 months. It could happen though.
 


Lindsey has won 7 or more B1G games in 3 of her four seasons. If Ben somehow wins 7 B1G games this year, I'll pay for his statue.

Wow; what a track record. Never mind all the players who've transferred out of the program; the failure to sniff .500 conference record after five years; and the obvious on-the-court hallmarks of a terribly coached team. Sure she will be extended though.
 




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