Ben Johnson is a Disaster

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bga1 said:
What is a good record next year?
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This is the $100,000 question. I’ll give it a shot.

Based on:

1 what I’ve seen of this roster

2 assuming Christie & Evans are competent freshman

3 assuming unknowns Ihnen & Fox return

4 assessing the likely talent on other Big Ten rosters

5 assuming we play mostly cupcakes in our 11-game non-conference schedule

I’d say 14 or 15 wins (slightly below .500) would be a good season. I can’t get any more optimistic than that until I see a couple guards on the roster capable of breaking down a defense who also spearhead our defense at the point of attack.

So something in the neighborhood of 14-17 or 15-16. The most important question would be, how many of those would be Big Ten wins. … and avoiding Weakling Wednesday (top 10) would have to be considered good given our current status.
 

Gopherfan84 said:
All depends on how you look at it. Our average recruit ranking is 3rd with 247 if you go by recruit average. We get punished by only having two. Similar to when Pitino had his five person class with Ihnen and that group and were ranked top half in the conference but the recruit average was low. Just depends on what you value in rankings
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Porterhouse or Steak ‘Em
 

bga1 said:
What is a good record next year?
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Gophers make the NCAA Tournament. Elite center Dennis Evans is a game changer.

They will have the paint players and defense. Will the guards and/or reliable shooters emerge? Need the shooting guard spot / wing guard(s) to reliably produce. Need good assists/passing from the point guard with scoring. The rest will be there.

March Madness next season is the standard.

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Bracketology: Make way for Marquette, Iowa State on the top line

Another week, another shake-up at the top. Iowa State and Marquette join Auburn and Tennessee as No. 1 seeds.
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Johnnyboy18 said:
Years can exist and not matter in terms of wins and losses.
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If the department thinks wins and losses don't matter for a year, then ticket prices shouldn't matter either and they should let people in for free. When you charge people for a product, the customers are right to have expectations about the quality of the product.
 

PMWinSTP said:
He walked into a dumpster fire.
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Yeah I don't think many would disagree with you. However, there are two coaches in the Big 12 who walk into the same thing, funny both of those coaches have their teams ranked in the top 10 today. The ability to coach a team matters, at this point he doesn't have the skill set to coach at a power 5 conference.
 

RockChalk said:
Yeah I don't think many would disagree with you. However, there are two coaches in the Big 12 who walk into the same thing, funny both of those coaches have their teams ranked in the top 10 today. The ability to coach a team matters, at this point he doesn't have the skill set to coach at a power 5 conference.
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The coach at ISU got already-trained players to transfer in. I wonder how the program / alumni support persuaded 3 players to transfer in?

You are talking smack, RockChalk. Can you open your checkbook please and do some real talking?
 

Bfan said:
The coach at ISU got already-trained players to transfer in. I wonder how the program / alumni support persuaded 3 players to transfer in?

You are talking smack, RockChalk. Can you open your checkbook please and do some real talking?
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No, I'm talking reality. BJ is not a power five coach, period!!!

When you can please offer up some information on who is getting NIL & how much.
 



RockChalk said:
No, I'm talking reality. BJ is not a power five coach, period!!!

When you can please offer up some information on who is getting NIL & how much.
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I'm not interested in simplistic slogans -- AKA smack talk. Let's look at the facts like I mentioned in my last post. Also...

Are you saying that freshmen Payne, Carrington, Henley, and Ola-Joseph are upperclassmen? That Johnson wasn't able to develop them?
 

howeda7 said:
The problem isn't this years record, it's how far away we are from being competitive. Even if Evans and Christie live up to the billing, how much does that improve us? From 2-18 to 6-14? 7-13? Then what?
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This is my concern. We have some legitimate pieces now but we are so far from looking competent. I’m not sure I’ve seen anything to give me confidence we improve with Evans and Christie. Next year will be interesting enough to keep cbj results aside, but his teams have to start playing better.
 


RockChalk said:
No, I'm talking reality. BJ is not a power five coach, period!!!

When you can please offer up some information on who is getting NIL & how much.
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Also, are you saying Ben Johnson did not recruit phenom Dennis Evans? That it isn't a grand slam for the Gophers and Johnson?

That ball has been JACKED and cleared the bases for a GRAND SLAM!

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MUgopher32 said:
Thats fine.

Its still a really badly made roster.

That needs to sort itself out quickly to have any potential experience gained matter. Its not impossible. But right now there is not a noticeable vision/direction of the program. They run like no offense and good luck next year having Payne/Evans/Battle/Garcia/Fox/Ihnen/Ola Joseph all happy with PT. With most of those guys being unknown/unproven/flawed anyways
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Roster construction, anyone?
 

Johnnyboy18 said:
Bad comparison. This is Ben's true year 0. Hopefully this year's freshman will help turn the program around.
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Hahaha. Not even close. CBJ already had a full cycle of recruiting and a full year to work out kinks in his coaching system. All excuses gone.

Looking at the full picture. I’m honestly more inclined to consider last year a true Year 1 because he had one of the oldest rosters in ncaa. So we’ve been bad with old teams and young teams. (This is just my crappy opinion on the loosely relevant semantics of “year 0”)
 

GopherOhana said:
Claeys went 11-8 and coached two bowl game wins. that 2016 holiday bowl against washington state was a blast
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And what has he done since? Nothing, because he wasn't a competent head coach.

It's funny that the few posters who keep repeating the lie that Ben inherited nothing, which is completely made up, are trying to say PJ inherited Winfield and others. Winfield had far more reasons to leave than anyone on the basketball roster, yet PJ was able to convince him to stay. That's the major difference between the two. PJ recruited players to stay that would help him win, and added a ton of talent to the roster within his first 3 weeks on the job, especially where they were the weakest on offense. PJ was left virtually nothing at QB, WR, OL, and DB. He immediately filled those voids.

Ben is a Brewster level disaster, and that's a disservice to Brewster who went to a bowl game in years 2 and 3.
 

SelectionSunday said:
This is the $100,000 question. I’ll give it a shot.

Based on:

1 what I’ve seen of this roster

2 assuming Christie & Evans are competent freshman

3 assuming unknowns Ihnen & Fox return

4 assessing the likely talent on other Big Ten rosters

5 assuming we play mostly cupcakes in our 11-game non-conference schedule

I’d say 14 or 15 wins (slightly below .500) would be a good season. I can’t get any more optimistic than that until I see a couple guards on the roster capable of breaking down a defense who also spearhead our defense at the point of attack.

So something in the neighborhood of 14-17 or 15-16. The most important question would be, how many of those would be Big Ten wins. … and avoiding Weakling Wednesday (top 10) would have to be considered good given our current status.
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He is going to have to open two slots and find two really good portal guards. Maybe Christie will be one of those two guards you correctly state that they need, but he's going to be a frosh and we can't depend on that.

From the little I saw of Betts he looks more like a small forward. On the roster right now Henley is the only one close to having the ability to grow into one of those guards but he is a long way from having the overall game to do that. He has Devoe Joseph potential in my view if he develops. He has some guts, speed and some skill but is like a 5 month old golden retriever out there. Cooper is a 2 guard and would be a really nice 6th man.

If Ben holds a pat hand for next year- we are toast.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
And what has he done since? Nothing, because he wasn't a competent head coach.

It's funny that the few posters who keep repeating the lie that Ben inherited nothing, which is completely made up, are trying to say PJ inherited Winfield and others. Winfield had far more reasons to leave than anyone on the basketball roster, yet PJ was able to convince him to stay. That's the major difference between the two. PJ recruited players to stay that would help him win, and added a ton of talent to the roster within his first 3 weeks on the job, especially where they were the weakest on offense. PJ was left virtually nothing at QB, WR, OL, and DB. He immediately filled those voids.

Ben is a Brewster level disaster, and that's a disservice to Brewster who went to a bowl game in years 2 and 3.
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Ben either A) chose to blow it up or B) was unable to re-recruit what we had. Either way he is responsible. There was no reason to go into last year with no talent.
 

The ship has sailed on Craig Smith, and Dennis Gates turned us down, but if guys like Medved and Dutcher were interested last time, they might be again. Plus, there are always good candidates out there if you can find them.

Better days are always ahead, but you have to take action. The Lord helps those who help themselves. Success doesn't just happen through hope and prayer. The Vikes just made a move on DC after one year. (Heck, they fired a HC after one year once.) It takes a big man to admit they made a mistake.

At this point, with the talent coming in next year, Coyle is in a tough spot. You almost have to ride this out and see how it goes with the new pieces. But if there's devastating roster turnover after this season, or if they don't make the NIT next year, you have to pull the plug.
 



Wet_Blanket_Guy said:
Recruiting he did fine. Coaching he is abysmal. Many facets of being a coach.
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Are you saying that freshmen Payne, Carrington, Henley, and Ola-Joseph are actually upperclassmen? That Johnson wasn't able to develop them?
 


Bfan said:
Are you saying that freshmen Payne, Carrington, Henley, and Ola-Joseph are actually upperclassmen? That Johnson wasn't able to develop them?
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My comment was in response to your comment there big guy, not sure what this response has to do with my response
 

I know some people may be surprised and shocked that Jamison Battle who I really like transferred in from George Washington University. He is what he is.

Gophers will be good at defense and paint next season.

REALLY need good shooting to develop from freshman Carrington and/or freshman Henley at shooting guard, wing/guard because now they have nothing.

And good point guard play helps the whole team.

Gophers held Purdue to low points at the half and full game. 61 allowed only.
 

Wet_Blanket_Guy said:
My comment was in response to your comment there big guy, not sure what this response has to do with my response
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We haven't seen the results yet of the four freshmen. They are not upperclassmen. You said that was a fail.
 

Bfan said:
We haven't seen the results yet of the four freshmen. They are not upperclassmen. You said that was a fail.
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I said nothing about upperclassmen, that was another poster I believe that you were commenting about. My comment was in regards to your response to him.
 

Bfan said:
Also, are you saying Ben Johnson did not recruit phenom Dennis Evans? That it isn't a grand slam for the Gophers and Johnson?

That ball has been JACKED and cleared the bases for a GRAND SLAM!

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Gotta be able to coach'em up. To date most here haven't been given anything to think he can.
 

Bfan said:
Are you saying that freshmen Payne, Carrington, Henley, and Ola-Joseph are actually upperclassmen? That Johnson wasn't able to develop them?
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We don't know yet. The current version of these four does not win in this conference. But that isn't meant to be a shot at them. They are still in year one (a real year one) and definitely need time to grow.
 

Johnson has delivered the Dennis Evans grand slam recruiting.

His coaching will be judged on the outcome if the four freshmen this season -- things to come. We will see when they are juniors.

DENNIS EVANS!!!!!
 

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