Ben Johnson and this team

How about the players?
Our starters are all MEN, these aren't freshman. They choose to come here, their parents don't have input like they do for high schoolers, at least I sure hope they don't.

I am thinking about the players.
Beating MI in Ann Arbor is no small feat!
I think the players (and coach) being bashed all summer by people who had never seen any of them even play was probably pretty motivating. This morning I can’t feel happier for these young men.
 

if there is a good aspect to getting a 10 second violation, it is that we don't panic and throw a live-ball turnover. Take the 10 second violation and get the defense set instead of giving up a layup or an open shot it a scramble situation. I know coaches who are much happier with a pass into the 3rd row than a live ball turnover and it seems like Ben might be in that camp.
going back aways, how many layups did Tubby's teams give up trying to reverse the ball from the wing to the top? If I remember right, Ralph Sampson and Rodney Williams were always chasing their turnovers down the court.
Right!? And I think we didn't give up any points on either of those violations if my memory serves me right.
 

Still don’t think we win more than 4-5 big ten games. I’ll be happy to be wrong.
So you think they will only win 3 or 4 more B1G games....is that what you are saying?

The good thing is once they win more than that you can just say you will eat a little crow....say you have been rooting for them the whole time....and 90% of the board won’t think anything of it.
 

So you think they will only win 3 or 4 more B1G games....is that what you are saying?

The good thing is once they win more than that you can just say you will eat a little crow....say you have been rooting for them the whole time....and 90% of the board won’t think anything of it.
Predicting and rooting are two very different things. Team has already beaten my expectations this year and I’m happy to say it.

What was your preseason prediction for this team?
If they win the big ten and you didn’t pick them to does that mean you were cheering against them?
Some of the dumbest logic I’ve ever heard
 

Predicting and rooting are two very different things. Team has already beaten my expectations this year and I’m happy to say it.

What was your preseason prediction for this team?
If they win the big ten and you didn’t pick them to does that mean you were cheering against them?
Some of the dumbest logic I’ve ever heard
I actually wanted to wait and see the team play before I started bashing the players and coaching staff....to me that seems pretty logical....
 


“Escape clause?”

I don’t need an escape clause. I don’t think the team is good enough to win much in the big ten.

so far I’m wrong. That’s a good thing. Don’t need an escape clause.
Posting the conference is down.
 






Ummm, have you see the ACC?
What does that have to do with if the big ten is up or down?

big ten isn’t down historically, but it is down compared to last year and quad 1 wins won’t be as plentiful as last year for anyone
 

What does that have to do with if the big ten is up or down?

big ten isn’t down historically, but it is down compared to last year and quad 1 wins won’t be as plentiful as last year for anyone

I guess my point was that I'm not sure there's a clearly dominant conference this year and the Big Ten is probably as good as any. I guess we were making different points. I still think the Big Ten will be brutal.

But heck, what did being the "superior" conference get the Big Ten last year in March? A bit of an embarrassment
 

I guess my point was that I'm not sure there's a clearly dominant conference this year and the Big Ten is probably as good as any. I guess we were making different points. I still think the Big Ten will be brutal.

But heck, what did being the "superior" conference get the Big Ten last year in March? A bit of an embarrassment
Being the superior conference got 9 in the tourney.not sure what you mean by what did it get them.
Being the superior conference meant you could be 5-9 with 6 to play and still have a really good shot at making the tourney


this year, only 4 teams give you a quad 1 win at home. And one of them is right in the edge of falling out. (Wisconsin)
 

Predicting and rooting are two very different things. Team has already beaten my expectations this year and I’m happy to say it.

What was your preseason prediction for this team?
If they win the big ten and you didn’t pick them to does that mean you were cheering against them?
Some of the dumbest logic I’ve ever heard
I do see where Some Guy is coming from. Too early to see what is going to happen down the road. Hopefully the bench will do well or the starting 5 is going to limp at some point due to overuse in my opinion. Hopefully I'm wrong about that. I really don't know these guys that well.

I for one didn't think we would have a prayer to beat Michigan on the road. Not an exactly an easy thing to do. While I'm a bit more optimistic than Some Guy that we will win some games this year the way things are going. It's still a tad early to fully understand what direction this team is going to go. I do understand where he's coming from.
 



I do see where Some Guy is coming from. Too early to see what is going to happen down the road. Hopefully the bench will do well or the starting 5 is going to limp at some point due to overuse in my opinion. Hopefully I'm wrong about that. I really don't know these guys that well.

I for one didn't think we would have a prayer to beat Michigan on the road. Not an exactly an easy thing to do. While I'm a bit more optimistic than Some Guy that we will win some games this year the way things are going. It's still a tad early to fully understand what direction this team is going to go. I do understand where he's coming from.
I mean I’m on same page as you. I’ve gone from thinking it’ll take a miracle to get 3 to thinking we probably get 5.
 

Being the superior conference got 9 in the tourney.not sure what you mean by what did it get them.
Being the superior conference meant you could be 5-9 with 6 to play and still have a really good shot at making the tourney


this year, only 4 teams give you a quad 1 win at home. And one of them is right in the edge of falling out. (Wisconsin)

Well, they bombed out in the tournament though in pretty epic fashion.
 

I do see where Some Guy is coming from. Too early to see what is going to happen down the road. Hopefully the bench will do well or the starting 5 is going to limp at some point due to overuse in my opinion. Hopefully I'm wrong about that. I really don't know these guys that well.

I for one didn't think we would have a prayer to beat Michigan on the road. Not an exactly an easy thing to do. While I'm a bit more optimistic than Some Guy that we will win some games this year the way things are going. It's still a tad early to fully understand what direction this team is going to go. I do understand where he's coming from.
While I agree you want to build a bench and that should be a goal as the season goes on....these guys 21 years and have played basketball almost every day for the last 8 years of their lives. They play one or two games a week. It’s not like they are playing 82 game seasons with 3 or 4 games a week. Battle and Willis probably don’t even want to go out of the game. I think people are making a bigger deal out of it than it really is....

Now for Curry to play that much with his knees? That is one thing I would be more concerned about.
 

Well, they bombed out in the tournament though in pretty epic fashion.
I was just going to say that....one team made it past the first weekend of the tournament last year....hardly a dominating performance for a conference that was supposedly up last year.
 

Well, they bombed out in the tournament though in pretty epic fashion.
Okay?
well the conference being down in regards to tourney chances are what we were discussion. So what the conference does in the tourney after the teams are selected is not exactly relevant to Resume building
 

I was just going to say that....one team made it past the first weekend of the tournament last year....hardly a dominating performance for a conference that was supposedly up last year.
No doubt: also no doubt that is irrelevant to the fact that 9-11 may have gotten a team in last year whereas it isn’t as likely to this year because teams are lower in the NET



and by the way, I am on the record thinking NET is stupid each season. But it is what it is
 

“Escape clause?”

I don’t need an escape clause. I don’t think the team is good enough to win much in the big ten.

so far I’m wrong. That’s a good thing. Don’t need an escape clause.
You threw in the point the conference is down just incase they win more than you claim. "They are still bad but won XX games because the B1G is so down"
 

What does that have to do with if the big ten is up or down?

big ten isn’t down historically, but it is down compared to last year and quad 1 wins won’t be as plentiful as last year for anyone
Again:

but, but, but, that is obviously not what I meant went I said exactly that.... lol

 

You threw in the point the conference is down just incase they win more than you claim. "They are still bad but won XX games because the B1G is so down"
No, if they win more conference games than I predict it is because they are better than I thought. They’re already better than I thought.


If they win 9 conference games and miss tourney, it is because the conference’s NET is down.

I shouldn’t even say the conference is down because I haven’t watched enough to agree with it. But it is absolute fact that the conference’s NET is down

These are two independent conversations.
 
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Again:

but, but, but, that is obviously not what I meant went I said exactly that.... lol

I did mean the NET is down. Which is unrelated to my point that I still don’t think this is a .500 big ten team.
they are better than the 0-3 wins I would’ve said 4 weeks ago.
 

I think the players (and coach) being bashed all summer by people who had never seen any of them even play was probably pretty motivating. This morning I can’t feel happier for these young men.
I’m not sure people saying that they don’t think the team will be good at all qualifies as bashing. Though I’m sure it’s still motivating
 

I’m not sure people saying that they don’t think the team will be good at all qualifies as bashing. Though I’m sure it’s still motivating
It felt like it went a little beyond people just saying they didn’t think they would be very good....don’t you think?
 

There seems to be a lotttt of people happy with some early success so they can come here and tell others that they were wrong.

What’s wrong with sitting back and appreciating the product. We are all fans of the same team, and we are all reckoning with what was (like it or not) a hire that did not inspire a lot of hope. It will take some more time than others to come around. I’m pleasantly surprised, feel great about our year so far, but have not seen nearly enough to anoint BJ the next coach K. If you are, great. If not, that’s cool too. We can both be happy if we win the next game.
 

If he would have said Thorson is one of the reasons I would have taken no offense. I see broadcasters describe white players as smart black players as athletic and black hires as diversity hires. It's all racist. It's not the intention but the inability to see people for what they are. Look at the dudes old posts and try to find one that supports a black coach when we were in the hiring process. You'll probably find a post or two complaining about black coaches. Some people are incapable of seeing black head coaches as leaders who are effectively orchestrating the team. This team would not be 7-0 without Ben Johnson. Has anyone ever said Duke wins because of Chris Carrawell? Do we say Gonzaga is sure great cuz of Roger Powell? Nope but gosh darn when a black head coach does well....well, it's because of Thorson. I am not trying to be an a$$, I am trying to make folks aware of when they do racist stuff....
Your demand for racism far exceeds the supply.
 


Your demand for racism far exceeds the supply.
This pretty much sums it up in a nutshell. Team is playing really well, coaches are coaching really well, yet some people just have to search for things to bother themselves about. I say we just enjoy the product on the court, wouldn't that be a crazy concept?
 

There seems to be a lotttt of people happy with some early success so they can come here and tell others that they were wrong.

What’s wrong with sitting back and appreciating the product. We are all fans of the same team, and we are all reckoning with what was (like it or not) a hire that did not inspire a lot of hope. It will take some more time than others to come around. I’m pleasantly surprised, feel great about our year so far, but have not seen nearly enough to anoint BJ the next coach K. If you are, great. If not, that’s cool too. We can both be happy if we win the next game.
So back in March and April some people on this board were saying why don’t we give Ben Johnson a chance....you know like actually sign a recruiting class and coach a game or two before we ripped him and the quality of players he recruited. It felt like it was almost a contest to see who could be more negative.

Through the summer this board became even more negative as some players we hoped would become Gophers chose different options and some high school players from the area signed with other schools. People were posting on this board saying they were “done with the team”, “giving up their season tickets”, “weren’t going to watch them this year”, “we will be lucky to win a B1G game this year” and I could go on.

At that time this is how I ended one of my posts:

“Now I don't know if Ben Johnson will be nearly as successful as Clem Haskins was....but the point is neither does anyone else on this message board. For four months the same people have been whining and complaining about the coaching hire. They have already declared Johnson a failed coach before we have even watched a game. I think the point that some of us are making is why can't we wait and see how the team plays? Why can't we wait and see how the 2022 and 2023 recruiting classes look?”

But the negativity continued....

I don’t know what you were posting over the summer....but when some posters feel like they can just say they will “eat crow” and then just forget about everything they said from March until the middle of November it kind of rubs me the wrong way. Maybe I’m being a bit of a dink about it but I guess I’m still a little bit salty.
 




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