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tikited said:
Yep. Plus, the receiver was clearly out of bounds on the play that got them in fg range. I don't feel bad for them at all.
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No question. He was out of bounds twice.
 

Was he trying to "throw" the ball with a forward motion thus creating an incomplete pass and stopping the clock? So bizarre.
 




Gophers won and becky lost. All is right in the world. I will surely sleep good tonight.
 

It should be up on Sportscenter in a few minutes. I would be interested in finding out exactly what happened.
 

There is a lot of gray area in the whole play. Regardless of previous plays, it should have either been a turnover, or he should have had the chance to spike the ball. I'm happy they lost, it was just bizarre, and if it happened to us, I would be pissed. The refs f'ed it up, no way around it.
 





highwayman said:
Do you understand the rules of football? Stave and Anderson don't. And you. Sorry, read up. Kneel is different than give up play. Hahahahhahahaha!
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I don't know. From what I can tell, all you have to do is simulate taking a knee and you are down. I didn't pay close enough attention to see if he did that.
 

For everyone who is saying that he didn't kneel, there are many pics that clearly show he did in fact kneel. Plus, the simulation of a kneel is all that needs to occur anyway. The fact of the matter is that Wisconsin got royally screwed... which makes it all the better! :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:
 

that was hilarious. Why not trust your kicker to hit a chip shot from the right hash, instead of attempting to put the ball in the middle of the field. Also, even if you take a knee, the clock still keeps running, and the refs need to re-spot the ball. And yes, he did take a knee...but again, the clock still runs, and the refs need to take time to spot the ball. Bad coaching, should have just spiked the ball with 3-4 seconds and kicked the chip shot.
 



Here it is! Love it!

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highwayman said:
Do you understand the rules of football? Stave and Anderson don't. And you. Sorry, read up. Kneel is different than give up play. Hahahahhahahaha!
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Stave and Anderson know the rules. The refs took 15 seconds to place the ball and allowed a player to jump on a ball that should have been set for play. If the Umpire was confused, he should have blown his whistle. If it was fumble, the ball was dead with ASU landed on it. If it it wasn't then he blows his whistle for the delay of game -- or maybe give the ASU kid the benefit of the doubt and simply stop the clock at about 7 seconds and set the ball. Not only didn't do that, he told them to wait. That might be his last game for a while. Based on your comment, I don't think you know what really happened.
 

Jen Bielema tweeted #karma.
 


Technically, Sconi may have gotten hosed. But here in the real world, the QB did something strange enough to cause confusion (for evidence of that see commentary here, the announcers reaction, the officials reaction) as to rise to the level of stupidity. Not a good idea with seconds remaining. Why not spike it? So tough luck, Sconi.

1) i thought to give yourself up you have to make the declaration clear by 'making no attempt to advance' or something like that. You can't just set the ball down mid-play when you are about to maybe get sacked. Why isnt that a fumble? He certainly didnt make it clear in real time to me.

2) that said, the whistle blew, so ASU should not jump on ball.

Doing something vague that requires the official to interpet your intent is not a good idea when the game is on the line.

EDIT: I know he didn't spike it because he was trying to center the ball, but again, in real time it looks like he is following his blocker. He could have gone down far more convincingly is my point. If we need to analyze whether he put his knee down by looking at replay after replay, he did a dumb thing.
 

Stupid play. Why didn't they just kick the field goal instead of running an extra play with zero timeouts? Oh, I forgot that is the Badgers. Oh well.
 

After looking at the replay again he clearly took a knee, I was mistaken the first time around. Looked like he was right behind one of his lineman though and I think that obstructed the defensive player's and official's views, causing confusion. Gotta blame all parties involved. If Stave hands the ball to the ref instead of setting it on the ground they likely win.

Really confusing play that couldn't have made me happier!
 

Wisconsin got about 20 extra yards when the refs missed #15 stepping out 2 times. Then, they probably got screwed out of a field goal attempt by the refs. Two wrongs make a right.
 

hungan1 said:
Stupid play. Why didn't they just kick the field goal instead of running an extra play with zero timeouts? Oh, I forgot that is the Badgers. Oh well.
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FWIW, the Patriots do that same thing constantly. They will always try and center the ball when they can. Now, typically they do it when they have a time out left so they can call it when the QB is down. Brady also executes the slide down to center it much better.
 

Yes, Anderson really tried to over think this one, and it cost them. They were on the 13 yd line! The hash should not have been that big of a deal considering they had no time-outs left. Taking a knee never stops the clock, so moving to the center of the field and kneeling was risky anyway because it only left 14 seconds of running clock to get the ball set, FG unit out on the field, and execute the kick. It can be done, but it was cutting it really close and putting undue pressure on the kicker and FG unit. Kicking from the hash after a stopped clock was a much easier kick than the fire-drill they would have had to pull off.
 

tato2001 said:
Technically, Sconi may have gotten hosed. But here in the real world, the QB did something strange enough to cause confusion (for evidence of that see commentary here, the announcers reaction, the officials reaction) as to rise to the level of stupidity. Not a good idea with seconds remaining. Why not spike it? So tough luck, Sconi.

1) i thought to give yourself up you have to make the declaration clear by 'making no attempt to advance' or something like that. You can't just set the ball down mid-play when you are about to maybe get sacked. Why isnt that a fumble? He certainly didnt make it clear in real time to me.

2) that said, the whistle blew, so ASU should not jump on ball.

Doing something vague that requires the official to interpet your intent is not a good idea when the game is on the line.

EDIT: I know he didn't spike it because he was trying to center the ball, but again, in real time it looks like he is following his blocker. He could have gone down far more convincingly is my point. If we need to analyze whether he put his knee down by looking at replay after replay, he did a dumb thing.
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I think if you are dumb enough to cause that much confusion with seconds left, then it does justify the players jumping on the ball. With today's review systems, if a review shows that it was fumble, then they look to see if one team clearly recovered the football. If I remember right, in the Illinois game, Illinois got credit for a recovered fumble that was originally recorded as down and a player jumped on after the whistle.
 

gopherfield said:
Yes, Anderson really tried to over think this one, and it cost them. They were on the 13 yd line! The hash should not have been that big of a deal considering they had no time-outs left. Taking a knee never stops the clock, so moving to the center of the field and kneeling was risky anyway because it only left 14 seconds of running clock to get the ball set, FG unit out on the field, and execute the kick. It can be done, but it was cutting it really close and putting undue pressure on the kicker and FG unit. Kicking from the hash after a stopped clock was a much easier kick than the fire-drill they would have had to pull off.
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anderson did not plan on running the field goal unit out with the clock running. his plan was fine. risky, but fine. the badgers were at 1st and 10, so all they needed to do was have stave center the ball and then get off a snap and spike it. it may seem risky in hindsight, but it never should have taken the refs 8+ seconds to set the ball. also, look at the player's reactions after the whistle, the defensive linemen hesitate before jumping on the ball. they knew it was down, and the refs knew the ball was down. there should have at least been a delay of game penalty against asu. the game never should have ended that way. but the pac-12 refs just trotted off the field.

i don't feel bad for the badgers, because they are the badgers. and as there was obviously a risk with running a play with zero timeouts, there is the possibility for it to bite you. in hindsight it would seem that just kicking the chip from the hash was the right play. but the 13 yard line is close and being at the hash creates a tough angle. if the kicker misses it, then anderson is criticized for not centering the ball with four snaps and 14 seconds. of course in hindsight, the asu punter should have just kicked the bad snap out of the back of the endzone.
 

I think if you are dumb enough to cause that much confusion with seconds left, then it does justify the players jumping on the ball. With today's review systems, if a review shows that it was fumble, then they look to see if one team clearly recovered the football. If I remember right, in the Illinois game, Illinois got credit for a recovered fumble that was originally recorded as down and a player jumped on after the whistle.
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Agree. That's why I said 'technically' Sconi got hosed. There was sufficient confusion for ASU to hop on the ball. While you can't do that on a dead ball, calling a penalty there would have been pretty tough. Dumb move Sconi.
 

Becky, LoL...

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bigtenchamps1899 said:
anderson did not plan on running the field goal unit out with the clock running. his plan was fine. risky, but fine. the badgers were at 1st and 10, so all they needed to do was have stave center the ball and then get off a snap and spike it. it may seem risky in hindsight, but it never should have taken the refs 8+ seconds to set the ball. also, look at the player's reactions after the whistle, the defensive linemen hesitate before jumping on the ball. they knew it was down, and the refs knew the ball was down. there should have at least been a delay of game penalty against asu. the game never should have ended that way. but the pac-12 refs just trotted off the field.

i don't feel bad for the badgers, because they are the badgers. and as there was obviously a risk with running a play with zero timeouts, there is the possibility for it to bite you. in hindsight it would seem that just kicking the chip from the hash was the right play. but the 13 yard line is close and being at the hash creates a tough angle. if the kicker misses it, then anderson is criticized for not centering the ball with four snaps and 14 seconds. of course in hindsight, the asu punter should have just kicked the bad snap out of the back of the endzone.
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To me, Stave just made it VERY unclear he was downing the ball. You can see it with still shots and slow motion, but live - it isn't all that clear.

I think it was Robert Smith on ESPN who mentioned to even tell the official pre-snap you were downing it. Stave should have snapped it and literally fell down on the center of the field there. Not taken a knee. Then handed the ball right to the official. Lined up and spiked it to kick the FG.

Watching it live in full speed, the knee is fairly unclear and I can see why the officials and ASU had confusion. It looks to me like he rushed it way more than he needed to and didn't make his intentions clear.
 


scher215 said:
To me, Stave just made it VERY unclear he was downing the ball. You can see it with still shots and slow motion, but live - it isn't all that clear.

I think it was Robert Smith on ESPN who mentioned to even tell the official pre-snap you were downing it. Stave should have snapped it and literally fell down on the center of the field there. Not taken a knee. Then handed the ball right to the official. Lined up and spiked it to kick the FG.

Watching it live in full speed, the knee is fairly unclear and I can see why the officials and ASU had confusion. It looks to me like he rushed it way more than he needed to and didn't make his intentions clear.
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I'm with you on this. The knee does not look like it was 100% down even after watching it ten times. Very close to being about three different things at once which is why it was a stupid decision by the qb.
 

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