bad news for trevor?
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I see no reason for concern here, yet. Has anyone even validated this? I'm sure at least one of the local reporters/bloggers would have noticed if something was up.
But either way, the University is represented at the national level by its sports programs. Considering this, one must understand that the integrity of these programs must be protected.
But either way, the University is represented at the national level by its sports programs. Considering this, one must understand that the integrity of these programs must be protected.
No kidding. Time to start worrying again I guess.
Whatever, he's 58 years old. The future belongs to the Jamie Dixons and the Jeff Capels, and they will be the first to get calls when a Arizona, Duke, or Indiana needs a coach. Coach Smith's got the ball rolling here to the point where only a handful of schools wouldn't be a lateral move.
To be honest, I'm not worried in the slightest. I just found it funny someone brought it up in regards to the Trevor situation. Like you, I was kind of "waiting" for it just to see who would be the first to bring it up.
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Plus - Tubby is not a child. I'm sure he's dealt with a lot more than this situation. He's not going to leave because he didn't get his way...also, who knows what his way was? As it's been said, Tubby and Maturi know more about the case than any of us (a lot more). I can't imagine that Maturi did not consult Tubby extensively on this situation.
See, what you've got me doing...defending Joel Maturi. I think hell just froze over!
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Maturi doesn't know anymore about the case than you or I. This is a matter of public record. This is court case, so Maturi doesn't have access to anymore information than anyone on this board. And Tubby has been really glowing in his remarks about how Trevor has behaved himself. You could tell by just listening to Tubby how happy he was to have Trevor on the team.
I'm sorry, but this was just a punk move by Maturi.
And on a side note, it's amazing how young, black men are often thought of as being guilty if they're charged with a crime before even going to court. It's 'guilty until proven so.' If Blake Hoffarber was in a similar situation, you'd really have to be naive to think that Maturi would've done the same thing.
I'm sorry, but this was just a punk move by Maturi.
And on a side note, it's amazing how young, black men are often thought of as being guilty if they're charged with a crime before even going to court. It's 'guilty until proven so.' If Blake Hoffarber was in a similar situation, you'd really have to be naive to think that Maturi would've done the same thing.
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I agree.
I must be naive, then.
Does that thereby disqualify my agreement with your first observation?
I agree with your point about the presumed guilt of young black men. However, the university has its code of conduct and that is the standard and precedent that Maturi must follow. In terms of Blake Hoffarber, when Shane Shilling got in trouble during Clem's time he was booted from the team prior to any conviction.
Regrettably, Maturi has no choice. Schools get in trouble with the NCAA and funding entities when individuals become bigger than the institution. This has nothing to do with guilt or innocence in the legal sense and everything to do with a university's right to set and keep its own code of conduct.
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i would be upset and frustrated too if i was trevor. especially if maturi has simply just decided that it is easier for himself from a PR standpoint to cower into his shell on this. i don't think that approach is right given the unique circumstances of the case and that fact that trevor has 4 witnesses who will be testifying on his behalf that he wasn't even at the scene of the alleged incident.
it is also kind of a b.s. move on the AD office's part after trevor was admitted into the U to allow him to practice with the team and therefore start building friendships/relationships with his new teammates, REQUIRE that he participate in what is nothing more than a PR spectacle ("tubby's tip-off") AND after all of that pull a last minute cover-your-ass move like it sounds maturi may have decided to do.
how could you not be upset and frustrated by that chain of events? i agree with those who are calling b.s. on maturi if it goes down on monday like some are suggesting it will.
it is also kind of a b.s. move on the AD office's part after trevor was admitted into the U to allow him to practice with the team and therefore start building friendships/relationships with his new teammates, REQUIRE that he participate in what is nothing more than a PR spectacle ("tubby's tip-off") AND after all of that pull a last minute cover-your-ass move like it sounds maturi may have decided to do.
how could you not be upset and frustrated by that chain of events? i agree with those who are calling b.s. on maturi if it goes down on monday like some are suggesting it will.
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Some thoughts. Numbered in on honour of November 6, 1999 (what became of him?)
1. Trevor should turn his facebook page to private.
2. Those 4 alibis must be suspect/ weak.
3. Prosecutors must have something beyond the photo ID.
4. Same situation happened to a Badger, the same people proclaiming innocence would be all over Ryan for allowing the player to play.
5. Getting into bad situations puts the university in a bad light. EJ Jones had nothing to do with the criminal part of the DJ Jones case but got kicked out of school. Why? Because he put the U in a bad position.
6. Life is not fair and likely only Trevor can really say if he was the perpretator. The girl likely thinks he is but he may not be.
7. SS is right that it is easier to add TM in than take him out.
1. Trevor should turn his facebook page to private.
2. Those 4 alibis must be suspect/ weak.
3. Prosecutors must have something beyond the photo ID.
4. Same situation happened to a Badger, the same people proclaiming innocence would be all over Ryan for allowing the player to play.
5. Getting into bad situations puts the university in a bad light. EJ Jones had nothing to do with the criminal part of the DJ Jones case but got kicked out of school. Why? Because he put the U in a bad position.
6. Life is not fair and likely only Trevor can really say if he was the perpretator. The girl likely thinks he is but he may not be.
7. SS is right that it is easier to add TM in than take him out.
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You said it best Bronko. He shouldn't even have let Trevor suit up at all, attend Tubby's Tip-Off, etc. if he was going to pull the rug from under him.
If I were Maturi, I'd probably stay out of the men's locker room for a while. I'm sure the players are disgusted with him and don't even want to look at him. I can imagine the team is very upset by this turn of events.
Some of you guys are acting like he's been kicked off the team. He hasn't. You guys act like this is some sort of "last minute," knee-jerk decision. It wasn't. It has been talked about for weeks. Joel said it would take time to factor in everything and he made the decision after a lot of thinking. In fact, Monday was the date he's been targeting to announce a plan for weeks. The team and Tubby knew this would about the time Joel would make the call on Trevor. This shouldn't be some shock and it certainly shouldn't be viewed as a last minute call.
Do you think it is possible that Trevor will be allowed to keep practicing, but not play in games? Tubby is a man of high character. Do you think it is possible that Tubby and staff concur with this decision? Do you think it is possible they might think it is best that Trevor use a redshirt year this year, get his situation settled, then have two years where he can concentrate on basketball without the distraction of this charge hanging over his head (assuming he is found not guilty)?
This is a sad situation for all involved. I do see both sides of the situation though and it really is a tough call. This isn't a jaywalking ticket but a felony case. I've seen Tubby pull scholarships for felonies before (Southall comes to mind immediately) so he must have been convinced that this was nothing and the case would be settled and Trevor would be found innocent or the case itself dismissed.
I see Maturi's point as well BUT waiting like this and then "pulling the rug out" is something that I don't agree with. It would have been more fair to all parties if he had never been admitted in the first place until after the legal questions had been decided.
I see Maturi's point as well BUT waiting like this and then "pulling the rug out" is something that I don't agree with. It would have been more fair to all parties if he had never been admitted in the first place until after the legal questions had been decided.
Why? So, he could sit around his apartment and do nothing for a year? What's wrong with continuing to go to classes and practicing with the team while this thing is resolved?
I think he should be allowed to participate fully until such time as his legal situation is resolved considering he's already been admitted and cleared to play knowing full well what his situation was. He's not been convicted of a crime, he is no violation of NCAA rules or University requirements that I'm aware of. If it wasn't the intention from the start to allow him to participate then he should have never been offered and admitted in the first place.
There seems to be a lot of ass covering going on and the real victim in this is the student-athlete himself.
He's never been cleared to play, only cleared to practice. He knew the situation before he started taking classes. It is most certainly unfortunate, but not totally unexpected or out of the blue.
He is in violation of the U of M student-athlete conduct code, that stipulates a student-athlete is suspended when charged with a felony. Maturi actually has to waive a portion of that in order to simply allow Trevor to practice with the team.
We don't know for sure if the student-athlete is the victim or not. Trevor very well may be a victim of mistaken identity here. If so, then this sucks, but unfortunately it is a no-win situation. But, let's not forget there's a real victim here, a woman who got punched in the face in Florida by someone. She says it is Trevor. For the record, I think Trevor did NOT do this, but the fact that he's been charged with a felony assault and it appears well on its way to going to a very real court of law is why we are where we're at.
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can't believe i am saying this, but i actually agree with "truth" here.
something in my gut tells me that maturi has probably known the whole time what he was going to do here. and there is an even better chance that it was never truly "his" decision to make even though he is the AD, which makes it "suck" that much more.
if that ends up being case then the better course of action would have been: admit him to the university, but don't allow practice and the tubby's tip-off appearance. that sequence -- especially the last part -- while taking into account the fact that trevor has not even had his day in court IS going to make maturi look like the "bad guy" in the majority of gophers fan's eyes.
Again, I ask why? Why not allow him to practice? Why not let him continue working out with the team, along with taking classes, while this situation sorts itself out? What is gained by leaving him totally out of everything? Other than having him sit around doing nothing.
I actually think (assuming he's allowed to keep practicing) that this is the best compromise. Let him practice and take classes - while sitting out of games - while this legal process unfolds.
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This is probably the best compromise like you say. ("assuming he's allowed to keep practicing") If charges are dropped or case is resolved and he is found not guilty before BT season he could start playing this year. Worst case scenario (if found not guilty), this year would become a red-shirt season.
This is all conjecture of course.
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talked to trev
Last night I went over to the entrace of the dorm where all the bball players to ask where cory joseph was and to encourage thme to give him a good time. Rodney and Royce were really nice guys. Trevor was also cool but when I asked him about this year he said "I'm done" and they all chimed in saying Maturi is an asshole etc. So I got the idea that Trev is not playing this year.
Last night I went over to the entrace of the dorm where all the bball players to ask where cory joseph was and to encourage thme to give him a good time. Rodney and Royce were really nice guys. Trevor was also cool but when I asked him about this year he said "I'm done" and they all chimed in saying Maturi is an asshole etc. So I got the idea that Trev is not playing this year.
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No reason to wait until tomorrow. That's really too bad. Trevor was going to be a huge part of this years squad. Hopefully this doesn't leave too sour of a taste in his mouth and he still wants to be a Gopher...
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Well, on the other hand, assuming Trevor is innocent of his felony charges, and if he redshirts this year, then he's formidable for the next two years. There is trouble with playing time on this squad anyway.
New Facebook status posted this morning by Trevor.
"ppl applaud me 4 how strong ive been the last 6 months they say its impressive that ive been able 2 keep a smile on my face but the truth is this *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!# hurt id never wish this on nobody this is my life my future its not pretend"
"ppl applaud me 4 how strong ive been the last 6 months they say its impressive that ive been able 2 keep a smile on my face but the truth is this *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!# hurt id never wish this on nobody this is my life my future its not pretend"
I doubt they wanted/expected that statement posted here.
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Good thing Tubby over-recruited the small forward position! This is obviously horrible news and I hope Trevor returns next season, but the Gophers should be in decent shape. It looks like we'll be seeing more of Carter than originally expected. From what people have said, Carter had a good summer and could start right away (and probably will, knowing how Tubby does things).
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Something tells me this wouldn't be a very big secret in the athletic department. Nor do I think they look bad for thinking so. They feel like one of their teammates got screwed.