bad news for trevor?

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MilesTarver said:
i try not to look too much into facebook statuses, but this doesn't look good:



the taking away something so dear to me to protect him and the program was what got to me. bad news.
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If you are his "Facebook friend" why don't you call and ask what happened?
 

Does it mean I'm getting old that I had to read that 3 times to understand what he was saying.

I can't fault Maturi here and/or Tubby if they have him sit out. I'm sure the NCAA is still looking at us with a very careful eye and I don't think Maturi wants to shine light on the program in any way that could raise a stink with the NCAA.

Hopefully Trevor will be cleared and he can play in the BT season.
 

That status is rather convincing. I'm usually one to ignore that kind of stuff, but wow. Hope things work out for him in the end if it is indeed what it looks like.
 

I think Maturi is making a mistake here. At the very least, he should have let Trevor know what he was going to do before school started so he could decide whether he wanted to proceed with enrolling, etc. Stringing him along to this point on the very remote chance that charges would be dropped is not the right move. I can't imagine this will make Tubby the least bit happy either.
 

Just glad I am not in Maturi's position. A lot of comments are made here by people who do not have to discover what is the right/best decision and have to deal with the weight of the consequences.

Right now, the conservative approach is best for him, the U and for Trevor IMO. Hopefully he will be cleared of all charges, but Maturi's position is not an easy "I looked him in the eyes and he is innocent" position. He has to wait until he has as much information as he can get before he makes a decision. Impulse decisions based on passion many times are ultimately hazardous to all.

Before slamming Maturi, especially since there has been no public statement yet, it is best to look at whose shoes you are walking in.
 


Let's not kid ourselves, let's get to the crux of the matter. If indeed the number of basketball games the Gophers win this season is the be-all and end-all (not my belief, but I know for some of you deep down that's the most important thing), I choose to look at it this way.

If Maturi lets Trevor play and then he's convicted in-season, there's serious disruption to the team, rotation, etc., not to mention the crap that will go along with it. Sure, Trevor would have helped the Gophers win some games, but let's be honest, one could reasonably argue the only games we'll need him for (pre-Big 10) are the ones at the 76 Classic & Miami.

If on the other hand Maturi lets him practice but not play & then he's convicted in-season, it's bad news but at least there is no disruption (on the court) for the guys who have been playing. Technically, we wouldn't be subtracting anyone (from the rotation). It'd be the same guys who have been playing all year. Like others have said, sure as fans we'd have an idea of what we're missing, but it's not like a Royce White isn't capable of stepping up in Trevor's absence. There are capable players on this roster. As Norman Dale says in Hoosiers, "I would hope you’d support who we are, not who we are not."

Now if Trevor is acquitted, it's win-win whether Maturi had let him play in the meantime or not. (again, I'm looking at this from the "program is bigger than the individual" angle). If he's playing and then acquitted, Maturi looks like a genius, a guy who did his homework. If Trevor hasn't been playing, the news is still good; the Gophers would be adding a significant piece to what already should be a good team. It'd be like an in-season free-agent pick-up.

Again, I will respect Maturi's decision no matter what he decides, and I will still respect that decision no matter the outcome of Trevor's trial. I think Maturi is a good man, and he has a lot more knowledge of the situation than anyone here.

Cliff notes version: When looking at the big picture, mid-stream I'd rather be faced with adding a key ingredient than losing one.
 

SS, you have a valid point. I wouldn't have such a big problem with this if there was even a decent chance that this trial would actually occur in December. But we all know how the legal system works, and it is extremely likely nothing will happen until well after the season is over. Therefore, this 'convervative approach' really does no good. You're not suspending him temporarily. In all liklihood you're suspending him for the entire season. Therefore, they should have at least told him that before school started and let him decide what to do. If I were in Trevor's shoes, I'd be upset that they didn't at least give me that much consideration.
 

SS: "When looking at the big picture, mid-stream I'd rather be faced with adding a key ingredient than losing one. "

Bingo.
 

If you think that Trevor can seriously help both himself and us this season despite the on-going court case, please consider this. I can easily imagine a scenario that the student section of our opponent starts chanting “felon” or whatever -- although Trevor is only charged, not convicted -- whenever Trevor is on the court or touches the ball. I expect reporters routinely asking Trevor and Tubby regarding the progress of the court case before and after a game. TV commentators will talk about the situation in every game. Every article praising Trevor’s on-court performance will have an asterisk of his pending case. Etc., etc., etc…….

I don’t know how strong Trevor mentally is. But, it is not easy for any young man to handle this type of circus. Even if Trevor does manage, there is no guarantee that his performance will be as good as it should be without all the distractions and cruelties. Who can say his playing this season without settling the case will not backfire against Trevor himself (if he wants to make his name in the college rank)? Or, for the team?

Also, there seems to be no good choice for Trevor. A good college program will not accept Trevor’s transfer with a pending felony case on his back, let alone playing him right away. No reputable professional team will take him right now, either. What other legit option for Trevor right now is there if he wants to move past the U?

It may be the safest route for the team and Trevor himself to have him sit out until the case is resolved. Tubby also knows the nature of this business.
 




If he is innocent, which he may very well be, why would they not want to have the trial as soon as possible? It has been delayed once and they are talking about delaying it again. If the case against him is so bad, why is the DA continuing to pursue it?

It is a strange case. If it were me, I would want to get the trial done as quickly as possible and move on with my life.

Innocent until proven guilty does not apply to college athletics. It is not an inalienable right to play Big Ten basketball. There is far more to the decision then that.
 

Well Stated

Well stated, Selection. The university is bigger than the team, and the team is bigger than the individual. I do think that if Maturi anticipated a suspension in September, he should have told that to Trevor and Tubby, and give Trevor a chance to come up with another option for playing this year.

I suppose Trevor's lawyer now has to make a decision about delaying the trial, since it is no longer in his client's best interests to wait.
 

I don't think he will transfer. Also, I believe that our banner season is 2011-2012. He will be around and play well in a great team, which can only help his pro career. Hopefully, that is the scenario for him.
 



bga1 said:
Burton: Didn't you just do to Maturi what you asked him not to do? You just ruled him (Maturi) guilty and he hasn't even announced a decision nor do we know the facts fo the situation.
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Good point. If it's true, then I stand by my comment.
 

Didn't somebody tell this board that Bostick was leaving based on a facebook status? That turned out to be false. I also remember a lot of people getting upset about a flight plan from UVA to St. Paul. There are a lot of amateur journalists on this site that have been wrong in the past.

Stop using facebook statuses as the basis to get people upset.
 

chi-town gopher said:
Didn't somebody tell this board that Bostick was leaving based on a facebook status? That turned out to be false. I also remember a lot of people getting upset about a flight plan from UVA to St. Paul. There are a lot of amateur journalists on this site that have been wrong in the past.

Stop using facebook statuses as the basis to get people upset.
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Trevor is basically saying he's been told by Maturi he's not playing this year. I posted Bostick's facebook status last year and left it up for debate, I didn't' say he was transferring. I basically said, "Hmmm, what does this mean?"
 

maliksealy said:
Trevor is basically saying he's been told by Maturi he's not playing this year. I posted Bostick's facebook status last year and left it up for debate, I didn't' say he was transferring. I basically said, "Hmmm, what does this mean?"
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I just did a search of those threads and when it was all over you said, "if i would've known it would come to this, i would've never said anything...my god."

I think posting a facebook status on a message board is lame. I think that when people are posting a status it is for the people they actually know, not for the random people that "friend" them and stalk them. I think it is bad form.
 

chi-town gopher said:
I just did a search of those threads and when it was all over you said, "if i would've known it would come to this, i would've never said anything...my god."

I think posting a facebook status on a message board is lame. I think that when people are posting a status it is for the people they actually know, not for the random people that "friend" them and stalk them. I think it is bad form.
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Yeah, I regretted it because everyone was freaking out...this is quite different though. When someone updates their status, they need to be aware that whoever their facebook friends are will have access to it. Statuses show up in your news feed when you sign on to facebook, you don't have to go out of your way to find it.
 

Would people be complaining about the Facebook post if it were good news from Trevor? Honestly I don't see how people are complaining about the original post. He never said he was breaking some news that's set in stone. Yeah, it's not a published source, but if it's coming from Trevor himself, so there probably is some legitimacy to it. The news wasn't something I wanted to hear (or something I'm completely convinced of yet), but you can't blame someone for sharing what they read.
 

underground629 said:
Would people be complaining about the Facebook post if it were good news from Trevor? Honestly I don't see how people are complaining about the original post. He never said he was breaking some news that's set in stone. Yeah, it's not a published source, but if it's coming from Trevor himself, so there probably is some legitimacy to it. The news wasn't something I wanted to hear (or something I'm completely convinced of yet), but you can't blame someone for sharing what they read.
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Completely agree
 

A lot is being made of an inference made on Facebook. Nothing official yet. If he is suspended, it'll be interesting to see if he sticks around, being he attended 3 high schools and is on his 3rd college.
 

When will some of you younger people learn that ANYTHING you write on Facebook, Myspace, or any other online source no mater how private you may try to make it, is now public and will eventually get out, there is no privacy on the internet. If you don't want something to get out, then don't post it online.
 

upchurch said:
Typical Gopher luck. I think back to losing Olberding and all those great players and a potential NCAA championship because the NCAA was pissed at Mus for the fight. Then the Mitch Lee deal and on and on.

Maturi is way off on this one. If he plays it conservative, why didn't he do that when hiring Brewster?
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Bill Musselman revived the Gopher program after the George Hanson disaster, but let's not play the victim card too quickly. The fight sullied the U's reputation for years and Musselman has to take responsibility as coach. It was a couple of years after that the NCAA caught up with us. With over 120 violations, it's not like the NCAA railroaded us. There were all sorts of recruiting violations and players were receiving money. Olberding left school early so he could sign with the pro team Musselman coached after he left the team with a John Calipari move one step ahead of the NCAA. Before Musselman left, he had pissed off Mark Landsberger so much that he had transferred. I can't remember all the details, but forfeited a bunch of games after Musselman because Mychal Thompson, a Musselman recruit, had scalped tickets. Where Musselman was concerned, the U's wounds were self-inflicted. The NCAA didn't screw us.

The Mitch Lee situation was also more than a mere "deal". He and at least a couple of other players had group sex with a woman after a game in Madison. Yes, they were acquitted of sexual assault charges but the whole scandal again humiliated the University and made us look like having a rogue program. It didn't help that Mitch Lee had been acquitted of another assault just before that and showed up to a game with a champagne glass outline shaved in the side of his head to celebrate. The turmoil that followed the Mitch Lee deal cost us a decent coach and again gave the U a huge black eye.

I know old-timers know these facts, but younger fans might not. It's important to remember them because I think it's part of why Maturi does have such a tough decision. Trevor's situation isn't the same, but we are an athletic program that has taken some big hits over the years. There is also the Clem scandal and the football players several years ago. I hope he doesn't, but Maturi very well might decide to suspend Trevor and I'll respect him for making a hard choice. As others have stated before, one of his main jobs here is to protect the University. I have no influence as an individual alumni, but as one, I'm glad he's doing that. This whole thing is a bit more complicated than a "Trevor is getting screwed," or "Maturi is an idiot," reaction warrants.
 

If Maturi did make this decision, he better come up with some new facts that he didn't know before to justify this. He has said many times that he is inclined to let Trevor play so long as he keeps his nose clean and no new facts come to light. That's why most of us fans and the media figured Trevor would get the nod to play going by Maturi's previous statements. If there is nothing new and Maturi has just changed his mind and got cold feet, then I've lost a lot of respect for him.

If Tubby starts sniffing around at other job opportunities at the end of the season, we'll know at least one of the reasons why.
 

Mulligan said:
Bill Musselman revived the Gopher program after the George Hanson disaster, but let's not play the victim card too quickly. The fight sullied the U's reputation for years and Musselman has to take responsibility as coach. It was a couple of years after that the NCAA caught up with us. With over 120 violations, it's not like the NCAA railroaded us. There were all sorts of recruiting violations and players were receiving money. Olberding left school early so he could sign with the pro team Musselman coached after he left the team with a John Calipari move one step ahead of the NCAA. Before Musselman left, he had pissed off Mark Landsberger so much that he had transferred. I can't remember all the details, but forfeited a bunch of games after Musselman because Mychal Thompson, a Musselman recruit, had scalped tickets. Where Musselman was concerned, the U's wounds were self-inflicted. The NCAA didn't screw us.

The Mitch Lee situation was also more than a mere "deal". He and at least a couple of other players had group sex with a woman after a game in Madison. Yes, they were acquitted of sexual assault charges but the whole scandal again humiliated the University and made us look like having a rogue program. It didn't help that Mitch Lee had been acquitted of another assault just before that and showed up to a game with a champagne glass outline shaved in the side of his head to celebrate. The turmoil that followed the Mitch Lee deal cost us a decent coach and again gave the U a huge black eye.

I know old-timers know these facts, but younger fans might not. It's important to remember them because I think it's part of why Maturi does have such a tough decision. Trevor's situation isn't the same, but we are an athletic program that has taken some big hits over the years. There is also the Clem scandal and the football players several years ago. I hope he doesn't, but Maturi very well might decide to suspend Trevor and I'll respect him for making a hard choice. As others have stated before, one of his main jobs here is to protect the University. I have no influence as an individual alumni, but as one, I'm glad he's doing that. This whole thing is a bit more complicated than a "Trevor is getting screwed," or "Maturi is an idiot," reaction warrants.
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You have a good memory! I remember some of what you mentioned, players-wise anyway. Didn't know the story behind Landsberger! Even at the time, I thought the Mitch Lee thing showed a difficulty arising in regard to discipline. I felt bad for Dutcher. He was a pretty good coach and from what I understand, a very good man as well.
 

KyGopherfan said:
If Maturi did make this decision, he better come up with some new facts that he didn't know before to justify this. He has said many times that he is inclined to let Trevor play so long as he keeps his nose clean and no new facts come to light. That's why most of us fans and the media figured Trevor would get the nod to play going by Maturi's previous statements. If there is nothing new and Maturi has just changed his mind and got cold feet, then I've lost a lot of respect for him.

If Tubby starts sniffing around at other job opportunities at the end of the season, we'll know at least one of the reasons why.
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Maybe some of the facts in the case are not know to the public!
 

"If Tubby starts sniffing around at other job opportunities at the end of the season, we'll know at least one of the reasons why."

Didn't take long for this topic fire-up this year.
 

calminfan: "Maybe some of the facts in the case are not know to the public! ""

Maybe there aren't any facts to the whole thing.
 

<I think there is a 1 in a million chance he's guilty, but if he is, and was playing with us all year - how would that look?>

Agreed, its looks pretty bad. But it looks a lot worse to sentence an apparently innocent man to me...
 

Mulligan said:
Bill Musselman revived the Gopher program after the George Hanson disaster, but let's not play the victim card too quickly. The fight sullied the U's reputation for years and Musselman has to take responsibility as coach. It was a couple of years after that the NCAA caught up with us. With over 120 violations, it's not like the NCAA railroaded us. There were all sorts of recruiting violations and players were receiving money. Olberding left school early so he could sign with the pro team Musselman coached after he left the team with a John Calipari move one step ahead of the NCAA. Before Musselman left, he had pissed off Mark Landsberger so much that he had transferred. I can't remember all the details, but forfeited a bunch of games after Musselman because Mychal Thompson, a Musselman recruit, had scalped tickets. Where Musselman was concerned, the U's wounds were self-inflicted. The NCAA didn't screw us.

The Mitch Lee situation was also more than a mere "deal". He and at least a couple of other players had group sex with a woman after a game in Madison. Yes, they were acquitted of sexual assault charges but the whole scandal again humiliated the University and made us look like having a rogue program. It didn't help that Mitch Lee had been acquitted of another assault just before that and showed up to a game with a champagne glass outline shaved in the side of his head to celebrate. The turmoil that followed the Mitch Lee deal cost us a decent coach and again gave the U a huge black eye.

I know old-timers know these facts, but younger fans might not. It's important to remember them because I think it's part of why Maturi does have such a tough decision. Trevor's situation isn't the same, but we are an athletic program that has taken some big hits over the years. There is also the Clem scandal and the football players several years ago. I hope he doesn't, but Maturi very well might decide to suspend Trevor and I'll respect him for making a hard choice. As others have stated before, one of his main jobs here is to protect the University. I have no influence as an individual alumni, but as one, I'm glad he's doing that. This whole thing is a bit more complicated than a "Trevor is getting screwed," or "Maturi is an idiot," reaction warrants.
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Good post, however I do think that Maturi is playing this situation as a sign of the times where scandle is common-place in NCAA basketball. He is concerned that it has potential to damage the U's reputation. If this happened 30 years ago the player would play until proven guilty.

My opinion is that Maturi should do nothing until the verdict is in. I don't know why that is so difficult. If Trevor is convicted it will look bad for him and the University regardless of Maturi's decision now. Maturi is not a DA or a detective, he shouldn't be passing judgement. He should have no more information than what is currently public.

Maturi's premature reaction only hurts Trevor regardless if he is found guilty or not. If he is found innocent he is still pissed that Maturi suspended him. I know I would be.
 

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