Arkansas paper says they are talking to Tubby and close to hiring him

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Gophertwo said:
This just isn't true. You don't hear about Krykrewski, Self, Matta, Williams or really any other big name coach every single year. Tubby has a history of doing this at Kentucky and Georgia as well.
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Terrible comparison. You don't hear about those coaches because all (with the possible exception of Matta) are at inarguable destination jobs. The only place those coaches could go would be to the NBA, or if they got bored and decided to exchange jobs with one another.

Tubby is unique because most of the talking heads consider Minnesota to be "below his station" in life. They all assume that pretty much any BCS job that opens up would be an upgrade over the Gophers, because why would anyone want to be here?:rolleyes: The problem with this theory is that Tubby willingly sought out the Gophers over many other like jobs because he wanted to get out of the Kentucky meat grinder and have a lower-stress job to finish out his twilight coaching years. The odds of him leaving are very small in my opinion, because he's obviously not seeking a Kentucky-type job (or he would've just stayed there in the first place), and jobs that are similar to Minnesota would just be exchanging one set of problems for another, while losing all the equity he's built here over the last 4 years.
 

howeda7 said:
I don't buy that. Is Vanderbilt a destination? No. Do they have to deal with crap rumors about Kevin Stallings every year? Not so much. Tubby could do more to stop them and he chooses not to. Maybe he feels he needs to keep leverage with ol Joel, but it sure is getting old.
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Stallings gets mentioned pretty often when jobs pop up.
 

From the Barn said:
Stallings gets mentioned pretty often when jobs pop up.
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Mentioned yes. But not to the level of 'he's gone' rumors that we have dealt with now with UVa, Auburn, Oregon, and now Arkansas. He's always on the 'list' and it never goes any further then that. Why?
 

Gophertwo said:
This just isn't true. You don't hear about Krykrewski, Self, Matta, Williams or really any other big name coach every single year. Tubby has a history of doing this at Kentucky and Georgia as well.
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Terrible point. What "Better Jobs" do you expect the coaches of Duke, North Carolina, Kansas, or Ohio State to leave for?

Regardless, Coach K, Donovan, and Izzo have all been rumored many times to NBA jobs over the years, so you can't even hold water with the useless point you are trying to make.

EDIT - Sorry DP, failed to see your near identical post to mine about this
 


josh087 said:
Terrible point. What "Better Jobs" do you expect the coaches of Duke, North Carolina, Kansas, or Ohio State to leave for?

Regardless, Coach K, Donovan, and Izzo have all been rumored many times to NBA jobs over the years, so you can't even hold water with the useless point you are trying to make.

EDIT - Sorry DP, failed to see your near identical post to mine about this
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Not shockingly, you missed the point. Tubby has this happen every year. Izzo has flirted with the NBA once, K twice and Williams/Self never. I did not use Donovan as an example. You would also note that Williams left KU for UNC, so while rare there can be lateral movement. You can bet that Matta would leave in a heartbeat for a UNC/Duke/Kentucky/KU type school. And a "better job" could often be seen as the NBA.

The bottom line is that these guys do not flirt with jobs every single year like Tubby. You can look at it through maroon glasses all you want, but Tubby deliberately lets this happen. He could put a nail through the heart of the rumor any time he wants, but he won't. I'll let you guess why.



dpodoll68 said:
while losing all the equity he's built here over the last 4 years.
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What equity has he built?

And the comparison is valid specifically because of the reasons you mentioned- Tubby has stated that he wanted out of the "meat grinder" at Kentucky and doesn't need to be upwardly mobile. There should be no rumors. And if he wanted there to be no rumors, there wouldn't be any. It would just take a simple non-ambiguous statement from him.
 

dpodoll68 said:
Terrible comparison. You don't hear about those coaches because all (with the possible exception of Matta) are at inarguable destination jobs. The only place those coaches could go would be to the NBA, or if they got bored and decided to exchange jobs with one another.

Tubby is unique because most of the talking heads consider Minnesota to be "below his station" in life. They all assume that pretty much any BCS job that opens up would be an upgrade over the Gophers, because why would anyone want to be here?:rolleyes: The problem with this theory is that Tubby willingly sought out the Gophers over many other like jobs because he wanted to get out of the Kentucky meat grinder and have a lower-stress job to finish out his twilight coaching years. The odds of him leaving are very small in my opinion, because he's obviously not seeking a Kentucky-type job (or he would've just stayed there in the first place), and jobs that are similar to Minnesota would just be exchanging one set of problems for another, while losing all the equity he's built here over the last 4 years.
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More then likely some truth in that. The thing I find most annoying is when reading some of the comments and opinions expressed by fans, one would think the fans have the same opinion. If there was anything I felt Brewster had a point on, it was trying to instill a sense of school dignity (helmet schools for example) that has been sorely missing for years. This is not just an institutional or coaching situation.

Basically this comes across as MN is not as good a situation as other schools. Until that belief changes, there will always be other schools which will be targeting Gopher coaches. In one or two years, once Coach Kill starts showing something, posts will abound that "helmet schools" will be trying to hire him. It will not matter if it is true or not, the threads will be here. I am almost surprised they are not here already.
 

calminnfan said:
More then likely some truth in that. The thing I find most annoying is when reading some of the comments and opinions expressed by fans, one would think the fans have the same opinion.
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This is exactly the issue. Tubby came here of his own volition, knowing what the situation held, with the full expectation from fans (and from Tubby himself, I thought) that he would be here forever. Instead what we get is him putting out feelers every time he goes to the bathroom. I'm personally tired of it and the fans and coach should view this as a "destination". If we don't, nobody will- especially not recruits.
 

Pelphry has a pretty good recruiting class going to Arkansas-- maybe trade them Tubby for Pelphry's phone number and a couple of their incoming recruits
 



My guess is that this article was written in 2008, but is now just making it to print. Things move a tad slow in them there parts.
 

howeda7 said:
Mentioned yes. But not to the level of 'he's gone' rumors that we have dealt with now with UVa, Auburn, Oregon, and now Arkansas. He's always on the 'list' and it never goes any further then that. Why?
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Yeah and in how many of them does it get proven he never even talked to anyone. (and no proof is shown that his reps did either since someone else was hired for the job not him) Oregon was BS, UVa turned out to be internet hype and Arkansas was so ridiculous Myron was on KFAN yesterday basically shooting it down right away. (and he loves these rumors)

Just because the fans go crazy and 5 media outlets quote the same story saying Tubby is gone doesnt mean there is any weight behind it. If Tubby was really "gone" or even close to gone like each one of these rumors suggests, wouldnt he not be here anymore? These speculations are one step above internet message board chatter.
 

Dave H said:
Yeah and in how many of them does it get proven he never even talked to anyone. (and no proof is shown that his reps did either since someone else was hired for the job not him) Oregon was BS, UVa turned out to be internet hype and Arkansas was so ridiculous Myron was on KFAN yesterday basically shooting it down right away. (and he loves these rumors)

Just because the fans go crazy and 5 media outlets quote the same story saying Tubby is gone doesnt mean there is any weight behind it. If Tubby was really "gone" or even close to gone like each one of these rumors suggests, wouldnt he not be here anymore? These speculations are one step above internet message board chatter.
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Are you really so naive to believe that Tubby's agent and/or other entities aren't pushing his name around behind closed doors?
 

can someone in the know provide cliffs as to what is currently going on? I dont want to have to sift through 7 pages?

chances that Tubby is actually leaving????
 



Gophertwo said:
Are you really so naive to believe that Tubby's agent and/or other entities aren't pushing his name around behind closed doors?
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I never said that, I said the rumors themselves are BS. If he was close to leaving, he would already be gone.

Every coach is always having people put his name out there, people around here though think every rumor is truth even when there is no proof behind it. That is my point.

If you want my opinion Tubby probably has no interest in most of the jobs mentioned but his name brings interest so he gets mentioned. I also dont think most of those jobs want him either.
 

Dave H said:
Every coach is always having people put his name out there, people around here though think every rumor is truth even when there is no proof behind it. That is my point.

If you want my opinion Tubby probably has no interest in most of the jobs mentioned but his name brings interest so he gets mentioned. I also dont think most of those jobs want him either.
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Every coach out there doesn't always have people put their name out. Particularly not coaches of Tubby's stature. Young, upcoming guys yes, but national title winners? Nope.

I think you are right about the second part- I believe a lot of this is just contractual wrangling, which I do not approve of.
 

>>can someone in the know provide cliffs?<<

Online article has been removed. AR SID denies the story. Tubby was sighted in Tulsa. Some in media jumped to a conclusion.

>>The bottom line is that these guys do not flirt with jobs every single year like Tubby<<

Tubby is automatically mentioned for many jobs because he is:

An established, known quantity with a decent track record
A respected, clean member of the coaching fraternity
A minority
A popular, clear communicator who can bring instant stability to a broken program

I don't know how much flirting Tubby does. Likely wishful thinking on the part of schools without a coach.
 

Ya, sources and reports out of Fort Worth, Texas are real credible when it comes to university matters in Arkansas. That's like reading the local Sun Post for sporting rumors in Chicago.
 

Dave H said:
Yeah and in how many of them does it get proven he never even talked to anyone. (and no proof is shown that his reps did either since someone else was hired for the job not him) Oregon was BS, UVa turned out to be internet hype and Arkansas was so ridiculous Myron was on KFAN yesterday basically shooting it down right away. (and he loves these rumors)

Just because the fans go crazy and 5 media outlets quote the same story saying Tubby is gone doesnt mean there is any weight behind it. If Tubby was really "gone" or even close to gone like each one of these rumors suggests, wouldnt he not be here anymore? These speculations are one step above internet message board chatter.
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UVa was not all hype and came at least somewhat close to happening. Bottom-line is that he goes out of his way to let the rumors fester.
 


Jessica Alba Fan Club said:
Ya, sources and reports out of Fort Worth, Texas are real credible when it comes to university matters in Arkansas. That's like reading the local Sun Post for sporting rumors in Chicago.
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I don't think the reports are accurate but it isn't because they are coming out of Fort Worth. You obviously have spent little to no time in the DFW metroplex as there are tons of Arkansas alumni and influential boosters that live in the DFW metroplex.
 

Let’s get real here. Tubby is not exactly one of us who identify with the U with undying loyalty, everlasting interest, whatever. His relationship with the U and us is largely that of business. The flirts are just part of his leverage to get a better deal establishing his market value, so to speak, and he has been using them, for which I do not blame him.

If he does not satisfy us, we will have to show him the door, which is part of our leverage. Suppose that there comes along another dude who can elevate us even higher with absolute certainty. Then, we must let Tubby go if he is to be successful enough to turn us into a marginal top 25 program but has us stuck there.

So, his dancing with various offers is fair.

We just have to decide if Tubby is a good deal for us. If so, we will have to match his market value.
 

BTW, if Tubby decides to leave now, then I must have grossly overestimated his inner fortitude and integrity. And, it is a good f’king riddance as he must be a defeatist. A coach worth anything would get things in order first and then decide whether or not he stays. Such a defeatist cannot build us up.
 

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