Are We Headed Towards 4 Conferences?

[mngolf]

Yikes is right. Having it on a narrow content streaming platform with a contract that is incentive laden seems like a desperate move. Just read Disney is reportedly taken huge losses with Disney+ and Hulu streaming. Maybe Apple+ is in better shape. Plus I don't think PAC12 is compelling content that would hit any kind of incentives.

Negotiating group is also balking at what ESPN might be offering, games on ESPNU only. And now Monty saying he's hearing that former group would have accepted 80% streaming and 20% regional linear for $20M per year. New group said no which is why nothing will be announced at media days and now is looking more like 6 weeks at best.

 

[short ornery norwegian]

it just keeps getting wackier.

this was the word early Thursday:

Colorado chancellor Phil DiStefano told Denver Post, Pac-12’s new media partnerships is expected to be presented to league chancellors & presidents Thursday by commissioner George Kliavkoff. “I’m eagerly awaiting to hear what the commissioner has to say,” DiStefano told The Post. “But at this point, the 10 (Pac-12) schools are staying together & awaiting a message from the commissioner. “CU’s goal is to stay w/in the Pac-12 & have a media deal coming up shortly. That’s our goal. And I believe the presidents & chancellors of the Pac-12 are together on that.”

and then this from Dennis Dodd of CBS:

No movement is expected today on Pac-12 media rights despite reported meeting with league presidents. Industry sources remain perplexed by who main linear TV partner would be.

Kliavkoff scheduled for Pac-12 Media Day press conference at 8:00am pacific time (10am Central) on Friday. this could be a hoot.

 

[short ornery norwegian]

I just watched Kliavkoff's Pac-12 Media Day press conference.

and the headline is -

the media deal will be announced...............IN THE NEAR FUTURE!!!
(yes, he actually said that.....)

He also said.......the longer the negotiations go on, the better it is for the Pac-12. (huh?) . made some vague comments about not believing in rumor and speculation.

GK did say that that (paraphrasing) the terms of a Grant of Rights have been negotiated, but he gave no further details.

there was one exchange that had me laughing.
GK - We are not announcing our media rights deal on purpose today because we want the focus to be on football.
Reporter - does that mean you have a media deal in place that is ready to be announced today?
GK - you're reading too much into that answer.
(what????)

there was a question about what happened with San Diego State. GK said he was not going to discuss any conversations they may have had with potential expansion candidates. But he did say that expansion candidates had been vetted.

 

[Ope3]

Aztec players thought their ticket was punched to the PAC 12.

https://www.si.com/college/stanford/football/san-diego-state-tight-end-reveals-players-were-told-multiple-times-they-were-joining-pac-12

 

[mngolf]

GK embarrassed himself and the PAC even more today, and showed why he has been silent for the last 200+ days. If the football season ends with no media deal, the schools that have options would be STUPID for not bolting then. Because they have no media deal after this season.

 

[short ornery norwegian]

saw a tweet claiming that coaches from other conferences are using the media deal situation to do negative recruiting against the Pac-12 - essentially telling kids that "if you go to a Pac-12 school, your family and friends will not be able to watch you play on TV."

saw another tweet claiming that several kids who are verbal commits to Pac-12 schools are allegedly talking about de-committing if the deal winds up being mostly streaming.

who knows if it's true or not. but that kind of stuff is out there in the ether.

and GK did nothing to help prevent that kind of talk with his non-performance today.

 

[swede2]

OR balking at expansion talk. More pretext to bolt.

 

[short ornery norwegian]

so - for what it's worth:

Tweet from Pete Thamel: (July 26 - 4:04pm)
Sources: Colorado is in discussions about a move to the Big-12, and the school has just completed a board meeting and scheduled another for tomorrow to discuss the move. The Big-12 is also holding a Presidents' meeting tonight where there's expected to be an expansion update.

more tweets:
from Jason Scheer:
Colorado is likely to move within the next 48 hours. Also, there's another school in the Pac-12 beyond the rumored four corners that will surprise people and is seriously contemplating a jump to the Big-12.

and from Greg Swaim
BREAKING NEWS: Colorado BOR meeting just ended and they've scheduled an additional meeting for tomorrow for a vote on a potential move to the Big-12.

stay tuned.

 

[goldengophers]

so - for what it's worth:

Tweet from Pete Thamel: (July 26 - 4:04pm)
Sources: Colorado is in discussions about a move to the Big-12, and the school has just completed a board meeting and scheduled another for tomorrow to discuss the move. The Big-12 is also holding a Presidents' meeting tonight where there's expected to be an expansion update.

more tweets:
from Jason Scheer:
Colorado is likely to move within the next 48 hours. Also, there's another school in the Pac-12 beyond the rumored four corners that will surprise people and is seriously contemplating a jump to the Big-12.

and from Greg Swaim
BREAKING NEWS: Colorado BOR meeting just ended and they've scheduled an additional meeting for tomorrow for a vote on a potential move to the Big-12.

stay tuned.

In the end shouldn't the Big 12 and Pac 12 have merged without Cincy, UCF, ect.?

 

[U2Gopher]

According to McMurphy, this is pretty much done.

 

[Some guy]

In the end shouldn't the Big 12 and Pac 12 have merged without Cincy, UCF, ect.?

Picking up those two guarantees viability as the 5th best (now 4th best) conference or better even if they get poached more now

 

[PMWinSTP]

This will leave B12 with an odd number of teams, right?

 

[short ornery norwegian]

This will leave B12 with an odd number of teams, right?

Lot of talk that the B12 wants to add UCONN - with some media people claiming that something could happen in the next 2 weeks.

 

[Some guy]

Lot of talk that the B12 wants to add UCONN - with some media people claiming that something could happen in the next 2 weeks.

A lot of people saying they have a second team in the wings from what I’m reading

Hopefully it’s Rutgers (jk)



I don’t think it can be UConn

Allegedly big ten has an escalator that means that espn will match any power 5 team added. UConn wouldn’t fit that automatic new piece of pie added if that’s true.

Smart money on someone else in the pac 12.

 

[U2Gopher]

Lot of talk that the B12 wants to add UCONN - with some media people claiming that something could happen in the next 2 weeks.

Those folks saying UConn could be right, but why on earth would you take UConn if either or both of the Arizona schools, Utah or another PAC-12 school is available???

 

[U2Gopher]

This update just now….

 

[mngolf]

Swaim reports PAC deal is $12m less than B12 and is only 20% linear. 1 game per week on CW. lol

 

[Goldmember]

In the end shouldn't the Big 12 and Pac 12 have merged without Cincy, UCF, ect.?

This is a short squeeze by the networks to get Big XII/ PAC 12 content at a fraction of the cost of the Big Ten/SEC deals. And Colorado just couldn’t handle the squeeze anymore.

 

[short ornery norwegian]

this tweet is from media guy Jim Williams:

Jim Williams
@JWMediaDC
Alex about an hour ago I tweeted out that my source was a high ranking member of the
@UCONN administration. Who said that things will be exciting here this week as we EXPECT to join the @Big12Conference

 

[Some guy]

this tweet is from media guy Jim Williams:

Jim Williams
@JWMediaDC
Alex about an hour ago I tweeted out that my source was a high ranking member of the
@UCONN administration. Who said that things will be exciting here this week as we EXPECT to join the @Big12Conference

I wouldn’t mind that as the pac 12 could survive without Colorado pretty easily and I hope it all stops

 

[Dave H]

If only you know who was still around to try and spin all of this!

 

[swelna]

G4L had moved the goal posts and said Colorado was likely to leave right? Just need another defection to prove him wrong?

 

[mngolf]

G4L had moved the goal posts and said Colorado was likely to leave right? Just need another defection to prove him wrong?

He also said they'd have a deal in march.

 

[Dave H]

He also said they'd gave a deal in march.

And that it wouldn't suck

Can we unban him for like 48 hours when the TV deal is announced and it is basically the equivalent of them signing a deal with MSC (old school reference)

 

[short ornery norwegian]

and now some of the media people are saying/hinting that Arizona and Arizona State are in play.

the tone on Twitter is getting pretty apocalyptic for the Pac-12.

and some reckless speculation on my part - does this put Oregon and Washington in play for the B1G?

 

[Some guy]

and now some of the media people are saying/hinting that Arizona and Arizona State are in play.

the tone on Twitter is getting pretty apocalyptic for the Pac-12.

and some reckless speculation on my part - does this put Oregon and Washington in play for the B1G?

I think it definitely opens them up to being willing to taking way less than full shares

Big ten has never done that.
The big ten also isn’t going to take a loss for its teams.


Arizona and Arizona state are interesting for big 12
If the pac 12 is going to end, and the big 12 is going to add a bunch of value…the big ten might add ASU, Washington, UTah, and Oregon just to prevent the other conference from gobbling them up (assuming they can make the same or more money)

At the same time. I don’t think anyone in the pac 12 can be added to the big 12 or ACC and make those leagues pass the big ten…so maybe the big ten just stays as is with the new 16

 

[goldengophers]

and now some of the media people are saying/hinting that Arizona and Arizona State are in play.

the tone on Twitter is getting pretty apocalyptic for the Pac-12.

and some reckless speculation on my part - does this put Oregon and Washington in play for the B1G?

Losing USC/UCLA was the apocalypse, the league was crushed at that point.

 

[WAGopher]

The Pac-12 is about to go into panic mode. The foolish schools that blocked SDSU from joining didn’t help the conference. The inability to get a halfway decent media contract is the major reason the conference is starting to implode.

Just saw this on the Husky board:
‘Getting reports that SDSU, SMU, UNLV and CSU have already been contacted by GK (Pac-12) and have been put “on standby”

It’s popcorn time!

 

[mngolf]

The Pac-12 is about to go into panic mode. The foolish schools that blocked SDSU from joining didn’t help the conference. The inability to get a halfway decent media contract is the major reason the conference is starting to implode.

Just saw this on the Husky board:
‘Getting reports that SDSU, SMU, UNLV and CSU have already been contacted by GK (Pac-12) and have been put “on standby”

It’s popcorn time!

Now SDSU, UNLV, and CSU are stuck with larger payments to get out or wait 2 years since I doubt GK is going to help them pay the difference he missed just 28 days ago.

 

[Some guy]

Now SDSU, UNLV, and CSU are stuck with larger payments to get out or wait 2 years since I doubt GK is going to help them pay the difference he missed just 28 days ago.

at some point the mountain west will add teams from the pac rather than the remaining 3-5 pac schools adding the entire mountain west