All Things Royce White Thread UPDATED 10/25: Royce cut by 76ers

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Mulligan said:
I can remember enough from my Psych 101 to recognize more than a few traits in the definition of a sociopath. He's a classic example. Said it before, absolutely baffled by the fact his time in Ames was drama free (at least in public). Also, if he won't do what is expected of him when millions are at stake, the folks who were all for Royce when he was being treated so unfairly here by the U, might want to re-examine their support. Waiting for a rap video next.
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Agreed. This guy has a victim complex that doesn't quit. Very happy he left the U when he did.
 

Royce sounds like the kind of person who's not quite as cerebral as he thinks he is. If he doesn't figure out real soon that the whole world isn't out to get him, I fear he's headed for a sad ending. Would be a shame to waste that God-given talent.
 

ski-u-mah said:
Hard to disagree with that.

Also, lawyer friend thinks this is starting to smell like a lawsuit.
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GopherJake said:
The plaintiff being the Rockets, I assume - breach of contract?
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Dr.Don said:
Rockets suspend White for breach of contract:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8818221/houston-rockets-suspend-royce-white-cite-breach-contract
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I predict ski-u-mah is correct and The Infant will lawyer-up and file a counter-suit. In the meantime, I hope The Infant has his binky.
 

Indi1006 said:
Seems to me he doesn't really want to play ball he is posturing for a settlement on his rookie contract in exchange for going away; pocket a million or two or maybe a bit more and ride off into whatever sunset Royce sees every day.
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You nailed it.

Just wants cash & thinks producing music & movies is his next step.
 


Isn't final executive authority of whether or not an individual participates in a game with that individual? Unless that individual is 100% physically (or mentally?) unable to perform, the doctor and team only make suggestions on how to proceed. I would bet that most teams stay away from pressuring an individual to specifically disregard advice from a medical professional. Obviously the pressure to maintain employment should minimize unnecessary absences.
 

Latest thing I saw today was that the Rockets are not following the "protocol" put forward by the doctors as they feel there are aspects of the requirements that violate the CBA.
 

To the courts we go!

scher215 said:
Latest thing I saw today was that the Rockets are not following the "protocol" put forward by the doctors as they feel there are aspects of the requirements that violate the CBA.
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Might be as interesting as the OJ case.

⇩⇩⇩Good one station19
 

scher215 said:
Latest thing I saw today was that the Rockets are not following the "protocol" put forward by the doctors as they feel there are aspects of the requirements that violate the CBA.
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I believe Royce took some lawyer classes, so he's got that covered.................can't fool him.
 



scher215 said:
Guess who's back?? How long before the Rockets say enough and just cut him and be done?

“We say there is such an unknown element to mental health in this country, due to the number of people who are not diagnosed. This element also makes it a tough demographic to support.

I agree.

However, it saddens and frightens me to know that in this situation all the decision makers involved have been informed of all the medical dynamics, and yet still refuse to adhere to medical sensibility. In hindsight of the recent tragedies in this country, that had mental illness variables, you would think it would encourage people to act more proactively in that arena. You would think that decision makers who are not well informed about mental health, would take the consultation and recommendation of those who are. You would think we would start to do everything possible to not let the tragic consequences befall us first, before we ask the logical question, “why?”, “who knew?” “how could we have helped?. Why not take a proactive approach of “who knows?” “how can we listen?”, “how can we support now?”

I do wish to play, but I only intend to do so with the collaboration and recommendation of trained professionals. The purpose of a doctor’s confirmation is to ensure that health decisions are made in the sole interest of health and not conflicted with business. My only hope is that decision makers involved realize that doctors are the only logical source to decide action.

There is an admitted lack of knowledge on behalf of the Rockets and the NBA, it becomes transparent as they choose to forego the knowledge of trained professionals and make independent decisions for something as complex as mental health without consulting any doctors. The Rockets have told me in recent conversations that it is their right to decline even their own doctors’ recommendations. The concept of not listening to medical consultants in medical situations is alarming. It is also alarming that a player is susceptible to fines for simply adhering to the recommendation of doctors.

It is true that accommodating mental health can be very tough and complex, however, sometimes the only reasonable solution to doing what is right is doing what is tough. To portray that the Rockets have been supportive to me is fundamentally incorrect.

The information that the Houston Rockets have publicly presented about this situation has been extremely misleading and a lot of times totally inaccurate. An image of support has been presented by the Rockets, but the only logical support here would be listening to the recommendation of the medical professionals involved. That has not totally happened here. I have chosen to not play, because the doctors and I believe it to be unsafe for unqualified Rockets front office personnel to make medical decisions, as they are not mental health professionals.”

-Royce White
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Who writes for this guy?
He sounds like a veteran player rep for the union.
 

What a POS. He never intended to play in the NBA, this was all a scam imo. Now he'll negotiate a buyout with the Rockets & keep a million or so to cease & desist. No other NBA will ever sign him (or foreign team most likely), but he's got his seed money to start that record label now. I've never rooted so hard against a Minnesota guy in all my life.
 

Costa Rican Gopher said:
What a POS. He never intended to play in the NBA, this was all a scam imo. Now he'll negotiate a buyout with the Rockets & keep a million or so to cease & desist. No other NBA will ever sign him (or foreign team most likely), but he's got his seed money to start that record label now. I've never rooted so hard against a Minnesota guy in all my life.
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Don't be so insensitive, CRG! He's got a disease, for goodness sake. Near as I can tell, it's diarrhea of the mouth.

Maturi was right. Damn right.
 

GopherJake said:
Don't be so insensitive, CRG! He's got a disease, for goodness sake. Near as I can tell, it's diarrhea of the mouth.

Maturi was right. Damn right.
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I think he'd rather be famous than a ball player. I wouldn't be shocked to see an autobiography, book signing tour and/or reality show soon..."Protocal wars" or something.
 



I'm like many of the posters above, I'd LOVE to hear the other side of this story. I find it very difficult to believe that the Rockets organization is not doing what it can to meet RW mental health needs. Very strange.
 

Royce was interviewed by Josh Levin, Stephan Fatsis, and Mike Pesca on Slate's "Hang up and Listen" podcast:

Hang up and Listen

It is at about 25 minutes.
 

Ski U Mah Gopher said:
Royce was interviewed by Josh Levin, Stephan Fatsis, and Mike Pesca on Slate's "Hang up and Listen" podcast:

Hang up and Listen

It is at about 25 minutes.
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Just listened to it. I can imagine the look on the Rockets staff when Royce explained to them how sleepless nights, anxious moments and fear of flying should be considered a dangerous disability that should be accommodated at every step. Concerns, sure. Dangerous?????
 


He ate all the peanutbutter. (if you listen to the interview, you'll get the joke.)
 




Parski1 said:
Disagree - He has already helped many if you follow him on Twitter.
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He may have helped some people, no question.

But I look at a guy like Metta World Peace who is a productive basketball player and winning award after award for his work to help those with mental illness. Royce White continues to look like an immature child to many. Metta is proving those with mental illness can be members of society and are just like everyone else. You want a mental health victim to look up to, I sure hope people will pick him over Royce.

I'm sorry, but Metta gets a thousand times more respect , from me at least, for his work with mental health than I can give to Royce. Refusing to play is not benefiting his cause. It is making him look weak to "those who don't understand"

Royce needs to learn that playing basketball and being a proponent of mental health are not mutually exclusive, he can do both. Metta is proving that.
 

Royce has brought public awareness to mental health by proclaiming 'look how effed up I am'.
 


Ski U Mah Gopher said:
Royce was interviewed by Josh Levin, Stephan Fatsis, and Mike Pesca on Slate's "Hang up and Listen" podcast:

Hang up and Listen

It is at about 25 minutes.
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Royce does a good job in this interview. He is intelligent and well spoken. Maybe he can accomplish more as an advocate for mental illness awareness and treatment than as a NBA player (from a publicity angle). From the interview, I think he wants to play in the NBA, but I am doubtful it will ever happen. He discusses the travel, which maybe they could work out. One of the earlier articles, mentions control on playing and practice time. I doubt the Rockets (or any team) will ever give up that level of control. I wish the interviewers had asked Royce about the D league. It seems the D league, with less stress and air plane travel, would be perfect for Royce. Not sure how he defends not going, protocol or no protocol.
 


The NBA - David Stern is following this issue closely and backing/supporting the Rockets in how to deal with this pile.

Royce is thinking he is going to cash out with a big buyout. Good luck, they are not opening that flood gate.
 

scher215 said:
He may have helped some people, no question.

But I look at a guy like Metta World Peace who is a productive basketball player and winning award after award for his work to help those with mental illness. Royce White continues to look like an immature child to many. Metta is proving those with mental illness can be members of society and are just like everyone else. You want a mental health victim to look up to, I sure hope people will pick him over Royce.

I'm sorry, but Metta gets a thousand times more respect , from me at least, for his work with mental health than I can give to Royce. Refusing to play is not benefiting his cause. It is making him look weak to "those who don't understand"

Royce needs to learn that playing basketball and being a proponent of mental health are not mutually exclusive, he can do both. Metta is proving that.
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I agree. The way to be a role model for people with the same kind of issues is to stand up and say look, I face some adversity, but I can battle through it and do what I need to do to be successful without any special (or a minimal amount of special) accommodations.

The message Royce is sending is to feel sorry for yourself, and try to make as much of a stink as possible, and maybe eventually people will come around. I think people facing mental health issues in sports would be much better served by trying to emulate Metta than Royce.

Also, I don't think mental health issues are the only problems Royce has had. I admittedly do not suffer from an anxiety disorder, but I would venture to guess that plenty who do would be offended if anyone tried to suggest that people with anxiety disorders cannot help but steal.
 

Josh Harding just pitched a shutout for the Wild against Dallas. His performance was described as "rock solid." He has MS. Haven't heard much about the accommodations he has demanded from the Wild. The Strib quoted Harding as saying, I'm trying to prove to myself, the club and everybody else that I can "still do what I've been doing all my life."
 

GopherJake said:
Josh Harding just pitched a shutout for the Wild against Dallas. His performance was described as "rock solid." He has MS. Haven't heard much about the accommodations he has demanded from the Wild. The Strib quoted Harding as saying, I'm trying to prove to myself, the club and everybody else that I can "still do what I've been doing all my life."
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Royce seems to have that part covered.
 

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