All Things Royce White Thread UPDATED 10/25: Royce cut by 76ers

I'm trying to figure out which is more pathetic; Royce's attempt to stretch the hell out this anxiety disorder or the gullible people that fall for it.

Royce may have an anxiety disorder, but he has a much larger disorder called 'The World Revolves Around Me Syndrome'. The guy is a total D-Bag.

Best thing for Royce would be for people around him to say 'Royce we're done, you are on your own'.
 

I'm curious what the Rockets have done to be inconsistent about creating this healthy and successful relationship. I mean, they can't bend over backwards for the kid, he's still just a rookie, he's not a phenom joining a college program as the best player anymore. They went out on a limb to sign him, I think he has to give them a little bit too, that's only fair.

These are exactly the questions that were raised - maybe even in this thread - when he was drafted: Would he be able to exist within the framework of a professional situation? Either that structure was going to do him some good, or he would be unwilling or unable to abide by that structure.
 

I'm trying to figure out which is more pathetic; Royce's attempt to stretch the hell out this anxiety disorder or the gullible people that fall for it.

Royce may have an anxiety disorder, but he has a much larger disorder called 'The World Revolves Around Me Syndrome'. The guy is a total D-Bag.

Best thing for Royce would be for people around him to say 'Royce we're done, you are on your own'.

Hard to disagree with that.

Also, lawyer friend thinks this is starting to smell like a lawsuit.
 




You would think, but he's thinking the other way, like American Disability Act angle. May seem crazy, but so is he.

I don't think that applies in the NBA. It is not managed nor governed exactly like a regular, corporate job.

For example, you can't fire a guy who is able to perform a job simply because he is in a wheelchair. It is a disability out of his control. Now, could this individual play in the NBA at a high level? Most likely not and therefore he wouldn't be signed. Even though it may be the wheelchair that is preventing him from being good enough for the NBA, he is still a free agent simply because, for whatever reason, he cannot play basketball at a high level.

Right now, Royce White's anxiety is preventing him from playing basketball at a high level. I don't think the Rockets have any legal requirement to play or sign a player unable to perform. If Tom Brady loses his arm, he cannot sue the Patriots for refusing to play an armless quarterback.

Employment in the NBA is based on one thing and one thing only - can you play basketball at a high level? Right now, Royce White is/can not do that and he could have his employment terminated at the end of his contract because he is not performing his job. Derek Fisher hasn't been resigned because he is too old to play in the NBA, Udezi, formerly of the Vikings, isn't getting signed because he has Cancer and simply can't play football. If a team doesn't want to sign Royce White because his anxiety doesn't allow him to play basketball, they have every right not to.

If Brad Pitt tomorrow gets acid dumped on his face and is no longer attractive, could he sue movie execs for not hiring him simply because of his appearance? Nope.

I'd guess if the Rockets release Royce they can't/won't get out of paying his contract, just like with any other player or draft pick who turns out to be unable to play in the NBA, but they can't be sued for not playing him or for not being willing to re-sign him at some point. If they could, you'd have every player in America suing for who knows what every time they got benched or didn't make an NBA roster. You could, in theory, have guys who are 60 saying the NBA is descriminating based on age for not signing them.

MWP HAS mental disorders and he still finds work in the NBA, because he can play basketball. Ironically, the same Rockets owner who is being so unfair to Royce White, employed MWP! This all after he assaulted a fan, elbowed a fellow player, drank in the locker room, etc. You want a mental health person to "look up to", Ron may be your guy. He grew up in a VERY rough neighborhood, has multiple mental health issues, and through work with doctors he has been making music, acting, won an NBA championship, and raises tons and tons of money for mental health awareness and research. There was no better moment than watching Ron thank his therapist after winning that title.

The NBA and professional sports are run differently than your typical job.

I said it before the draft and I'll say it again, Royce White's NBA success will come down to one thing and one thing only. Can he play basketball? At this point, the answer is a very sound no.
 

The odd thing is that this makes the Tubby/Maturi benching of Royce look like the right move.
 

Seem Royce has had a plan since b4-draft and it's was never to play basketball

You would think, but he's thinking the other way, like American Disability Act angle. May seem crazy, but so is he.

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“@koldkasebmo: @Highway_30 they hitting that account hard” Naw, we'll get that back, don't trip! Wrong is Wrong.


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Opps- *it was* never to play basketball
 

The odd thing is that this makes the Tubby/Maturi benching of Royce look like the right move.

Agreed.

I'll admit I was 110% against benching Royce and against Maturi for doing it. Maybe he did know more than we thought.
 



In what universe is skipping obligations and acting immature in general considered bringing positive attention to this disorder? He's not coping with this disorder he's using it as a crutch.
 

The odd thing is that this makes the Tubby/Maturi benching of Royce look like the right move.

I've spent a long time thinking that was the right move. I know I have been somewhat critical of Tubby, and very critical of Maturi, but I was proud of the way they stood up and decided not to allow this crap on the court wearing our colors.
 

I said it before the draft and I'll say it again, Royce White's NBA success will come down to one thing and one thing only. Can he play basketball? At this point, the answer is a very sound no.

Good post. But at this particular point, isn't the question: Can Royce show up to try to *play* basketball? If he's refusing to show up, that sounds like a breach of what he agreed to. Why the heck should Houston be unable to cut ties with him, without obligation - at least at some point. I'm sure that point hasn't been reached and the player's association has this case at the top of the In Box.
 

Can we please put a lock on this thread. Royce WAS a MN high school athlete with great potential. Royce WAS a Gopher recruit with great potential and brought nothing by negative vibes. Royce WAS a Cyclone who added nothing to Minnesota sports while there. Royce IS a member of the Houston Rockets who IS *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#ing up.

So many good kids who deserve better than Royce, and never get the chance.
 




If Brad Pitt tomorrow gets acid dumped on his face and is no longer attractive, could he sue movie execs for not hiring him simply because of his appearance? Nope.

You always fall back on your "Brad Pitt get acid dumped on his face" argument. :cool02:
 


Adrian Wojnarowski nailed it.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--royce-white-s-battle-with-rockets-over-aniexty-disorder-could-cost-him-nba-career-16011709.html

As a lost, confused young man plays the martyr on Twitter timelines, Royce White's chance to construct a sustainable professional basketball career slips away. He's chasing cheers on the court for the Houston Rockets, but they haven't found him deserving of playing time. So, White started to lash out, search for his stardom in cyberspace, and it's turned a combustible partnership into an embarrassing public spectacle.
White has left the Rockets, and there's no telling when he'll return. Before long, White will lose the platform that he so desperately wants to advocate for mental illness. He's fighting a noble fight, with the most noble of intentions, and perhaps someday he can be remembered as a trailblazer on the issue of anxiety disorders.

Yet now, this can't be his crusade, his burden. It's too much. People have tried to tell him this. Royce White needs to save himself and save his basketball career. Without the NBA, his desire to bring awareness – to be a champion for change – will come to an unapologetic and abrupt end.
As White turns this organization into his betrayers, turns himself into a martyr of injustice, he should be preparing himself for the end of his NBA career. This is professional sports, and the cold truth is this: So far, he isn't worth the trouble. So far, he was a waste of a draft pick at No. 16, a waste of the time and care invested in him. Maybe that's hard for him to hear, but it's true – and only he can change it.
This isn't a dismissal of mental illness. This isn't a belittling of his struggle. This is simply a fact. As he rails against the Rockets' insistence that he meet with one of their doctors when he's failing to honor his contract to show up for practices and games, he's losing sight that this is the one organization that's invested in his mental health and development as a player.
[Related: Royce White and Rockets at odds]
If Houston gives up on him, White will struggle to find another team willing to make even close to the commitment – if any at all. White has turned down NBA D-League assignments, missed practices and conditioning workouts and tried to convince Rockets officials that his anxiety order would be much, much better if they would simply play him in games. This isn't a negotiation, and never will be.
Houston redid White's contract so it could pay for White's RVs and car services on trips, because of his fear of flying. The Rockets have let him come and go this season without fining him. They owe him that patience and understanding, but they don't owe him playing time. It's earned in the NBA, the way three Houston rookies are trying to earn it.

White has yet to play for the Rockets in the regular season. (AP)
If it was easier for White to manage his anxiety disorder when he was the star at Iowa State, well, that isn't the Rockets' problem. There's no leveraging an anxiety disorder to get out of a D-League demotion and onto the NBA floor.
When meetings with Rockets coaches and officials couldn't get White the minutes he wanted, when a demotion to Rio Grande and the bus trips of the minors had been broached, White stopped showing up to the team's facility for practices and games last week. Maybe it was a coincidence, but White is losing the benefit of the doubt.

Metta World Peace and Delonte West had public bouts with mental illness and eventually confronted them in constructive, public ways. They tried to make a difference for people, but they also had proven themselves as NBA players. World Peace has lasted in the league because he understood this is a results business, and he's had to be even better than the next guy to survive so long with the issues that never went away. Right now, White hasn't played a minute in the NBA, and it's fair to wonder if he ever will.
[Also: NBA's most expensive tickets for 2012-13]
The Rockets believed it was a significant gamble to take White with the 16th pick, but considered him one of the top five talents in the class and were willing to be patient, to give him every possible support system and do the most dangerous thing a team can do in a locker room: allow there to be a separate set of rules for an athlete.
White wanted separate transportation to get to training camp, and it was offered him. He didn't take it. The Rockets redid his contract and agreed to pay for the RV travel to bring him to selected games. They sent a vehicle to pick him up for the drive to training camp, and he didn't get into it. The list goes on and on, and it's November of his rookie season.

Most teams in the NBA would never give White this kind of special treatment. "He isn't good enough – and I'm not sure anyone would be good enough – to have a completely different set of guidelines for him," one GM told me. "I would've already cut him."
There are a lot of NBA owners and GMs who agree, and yet the Rockets think differently on White. In that way, he's fortunate. It is hard to have an NBA career, and it's even harder for him given the obstacles he must overcome. Everyone is rooting for this guy, especially the franchise that's getting ridiculed for drafting him, the general manager, Daryl Morey, who clearly has an angry owner over the entire spectacle.
I don't know what it's like to live with White's anxiety disorder, and I don't pretend to know how he should feel about what's happened lately between him and the Rockets. Nevertheless, there are people close to him begging him to start cooperating with the Rockets again, because this is the best chance – the best commitment – a franchise will ever have in him as an NBA player.

In the past 24 hours, White slowed down the Twitter rampage and started to fulfill some of his obligations to the Rockets, sources told Yahoo! Sports. That's something, anyway. This public platform matters to White, and he needs to understand that despite his protests, he is indeed a commodity. When the risk outweighs the reward on him, he's gone – and probably gone forever in the league.

The NBA will never be played on his terms. Royce White isn't good enough, and the sooner he realizes it, the sooner he understands only he can save himself right now, the sooner he can maybe salvage a career that's already slipping away.

Can we please put a lock on this thread.

Ur... well, okay Don, but shut the *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!# up. If u don't like the thread !#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!# off and stay away.
 

Starting to think Royce will never play a second of NBA basketball. Tragic waste of talent.
 

Royce threatens to quit the NBA:

White posted on Twitter on Thursday: "I'm not PLANNING to quit, but if its between my HEALTH and BASKETBALL, health takes precedence."

Harlem Globetrotters offer him a chance to play for them:

"I have watched from afar an incredibly gifted basketball player who has struggled off the court with a fear of flying, and I truly feel for this young man," Globetrotters coach and director of player personnel "Sweet" Lou Dunbar said in a news release. "While we truly hope Royce can overcome his fears, and have a highly successful NBA career, I just want him to know the Globetrotters offer their support and another option to play professional basketball without a rigorous flying schedule. He could have an opportunity to play for the Globetrotters, as many of our 270 games in North America are traveled by luxury bus. As for the 150 others overseas, well, we would have to excuse him from those games."

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8640395/houston-rockets-royce-white-ready-walk-away-nba

Go Gophers!!
 

Perfect. And the Globetrotters would not treat him like a commodity, like the mean old NBA. He would finally reach the goal he has been working toward all these years - with lots of assistance from the many enablers he has been surrounded by. He would officially become a clown.
 

Royce could care less what any of you think about him or his career.
 

really ! I thought the whole world cared deeply about what was said about them on gopherhole... time to double down on the prozac
 

Royce could care less what any of you think about him or his career.

Its obvious he doesn't care what Gopher fans think of him. If he did, he wouldn't have started his crime spree as soon as he set foot on campus.
 

Royce could care less what any of you think about him or his career.

COULDN'T CARE LESS....COULDN'T CARE LESS... COULDN'T CARE LESS.
Than or then, coulda, woulda, shoulda, Jesus Mary, get your message straight.

Parski2 is speaking. :)

Or is it station 18?
 


COULDN'T CARE LESS....COULDN'T CARE LESS... COULDN'T CARE LESS.
Than or then, coulda, woulda, shoulda, Jesus Mary, get your message straight.

Parski2 is speaking. :)

Or is it station 18?

Doc, you're getting cranky again.

BTW you missed Parski's 'waisted' post.
 

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--royce-white-s-battle-with-rockets-over-aniexty-disorder-could-cost-him-nba-career-16011709.html

As a lost, confused young man plays the martyr on Twitter timelines, Royce White's chance to construct a sustainable professional basketball career slips away. He's chasing cheers on the court for the Houston Rockets, but they haven't found him deserving of playing time. So, White started to lash out, search for his stardom in cyberspace, and it's turned a combustible partnership into an embarrassing public spectacle.
White has left the Rockets, and there's no telling when he'll return. Before long, White will lose the platform that he so desperately wants to advocate for mental illness. He's fighting a noble fight, with the most noble of intentions, and perhaps someday he can be remembered as a trailblazer on the issue of anxiety disorders.

Yet now, this can't be his crusade, his burden. It's too much. People have tried to tell him this. Royce White needs to save himself and save his basketball career. Without the NBA, his desire to bring awareness – to be a champion for change – will come to an unapologetic and abrupt end.
As White turns this organization into his betrayers, turns himself into a martyr of injustice, he should be preparing himself for the end of his NBA career. This is professional sports, and the cold truth is this: So far, he isn't worth the trouble. So far, he was a waste of a draft pick at No. 16, a waste of the time and care invested in him. Maybe that's hard for him to hear, but it's true – and only he can change it.
This isn't a dismissal of mental illness. This isn't a belittling of his struggle. This is simply a fact. As he rails against the Rockets' insistence that he meet with one of their doctors when he's failing to honor his contract to show up for practices and games, he's losing sight that this is the one organization that's invested in his mental health and development as a player.
[Related: Royce White and Rockets at odds]
If Houston gives up on him, White will struggle to find another team willing to make even close to the commitment – if any at all. White has turned down NBA D-League assignments, missed practices and conditioning workouts and tried to convince Rockets officials that his anxiety order would be much, much better if they would simply play him in games. This isn't a negotiation, and never will be.
Houston redid White's contract so it could pay for White's RVs and car services on trips, because of his fear of flying. The Rockets have let him come and go this season without fining him. They owe him that patience and understanding, but they don't owe him playing time. It's earned in the NBA, the way three Houston rookies are trying to earn it.

White has yet to play for the Rockets in the regular season. (AP)
If it was easier for White to manage his anxiety disorder when he was the star at Iowa State, well, that isn't the Rockets' problem. There's no leveraging an anxiety disorder to get out of a D-League demotion and onto the NBA floor.
When meetings with Rockets coaches and officials couldn't get White the minutes he wanted, when a demotion to Rio Grande and the bus trips of the minors had been broached, White stopped showing up to the team's facility for practices and games last week. Maybe it was a coincidence, but White is losing the benefit of the doubt.

Metta World Peace and Delonte West had public bouts with mental illness and eventually confronted them in constructive, public ways. They tried to make a difference for people, but they also had proven themselves as NBA players. World Peace has lasted in the league because he understood this is a results business, and he's had to be even better than the next guy to survive so long with the issues that never went away. Right now, White hasn't played a minute in the NBA, and it's fair to wonder if he ever will.
[Also: NBA's most expensive tickets for 2012-13]
The Rockets believed it was a significant gamble to take White with the 16th pick, but considered him one of the top five talents in the class and were willing to be patient, to give him every possible support system and do the most dangerous thing a team can do in a locker room: allow there to be a separate set of rules for an athlete.
White wanted separate transportation to get to training camp, and it was offered him. He didn't take it. The Rockets redid his contract and agreed to pay for the RV travel to bring him to selected games. They sent a vehicle to pick him up for the drive to training camp, and he didn't get into it. The list goes on and on, and it's November of his rookie season.

Most teams in the NBA would never give White this kind of special treatment. "He isn't good enough – and I'm not sure anyone would be good enough – to have a completely different set of guidelines for him," one GM told me. "I would've already cut him."
There are a lot of NBA owners and GMs who agree, and yet the Rockets think differently on White. In that way, he's fortunate. It is hard to have an NBA career, and it's even harder for him given the obstacles he must overcome. Everyone is rooting for this guy, especially the franchise that's getting ridiculed for drafting him, the general manager, Daryl Morey, who clearly has an angry owner over the entire spectacle.
I don't know what it's like to live with White's anxiety disorder, and I don't pretend to know how he should feel about what's happened lately between him and the Rockets. Nevertheless, there are people close to him begging him to start cooperating with the Rockets again, because this is the best chance – the best commitment – a franchise will ever have in him as an NBA player.

In the past 24 hours, White slowed down the Twitter rampage and started to fulfill some of his obligations to the Rockets, sources told Yahoo! Sports. That's something, anyway. This public platform matters to White, and he needs to understand that despite his protests, he is indeed a commodity. When the risk outweighs the reward on him, he's gone – and probably gone forever in the league.

The NBA will never be played on his terms. Royce White isn't good enough, and the sooner he realizes it, the sooner he understands only he can save himself right now, the sooner he can maybe salvage a career that's already slipping away.



Ur... well, okay Don, but shut the *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!# up. If u don't like the thread !#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!# off and stay away.

Bump just for Don.
 

COULDN'T CARE LESS....COULDN'T CARE LESS... COULDN'T CARE LESS. Than or then, coulda, woulda, shoulda, Jesus Mary, get your message straight.

Parski2 is speaking. :)

Or is it station 18?
I could care less what you think.
 

There's dozens of sites with this information, but the following comes from:
http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

[h=3]Profile of the Sociopath[/h] This website summarizes some of the common features of descriptions of the behavior of sociopaths.

  • Glibness and Superficial Charm
  • Manipulative and Conning
    They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.
  • Grandiose Sense of Self
    Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."
  • Pathological Lying
    Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.
  • Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
    A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.
  • Shallow Emotions
    When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.
  • Incapacity for Love
  • Need for Stimulation
    Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.
  • Callousness/Lack of Empathy
    Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.
  • Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
    Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.
  • Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
    Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.
  • Irresponsibility/Unreliability
    Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.
  • Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
    Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.
  • Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
    Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.
  • Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
    Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.
 

There's dozens of sites with this information, but the following comes from:
http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html


Profile of the Sociopath

This website summarizes some of the common features of descriptions of the behavior of sociopaths.

Glibness and Superficial Charm
Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.
Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."
Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.
Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.
Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.
Incapacity for Love
Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.
Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.
Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.
Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.
Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.
Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.
Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.
Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.




And here I was lead to believe those were the traits of someone with anxiety disorder.
 

I just stumbled upon this Grantland documentary on Royce's anxiety issues:


Go Gophers!!
 




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