All Things Nolan Winter Recruitment Thread (Class of 2023, Gophers Offered, Son of Trevor)

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We have had our fun but we should keep this on the kid or expect a mode warning.
 

ecoperson said:
I will repeat this one more time and then I am done. My kid may not choose to go to school at the U but they will never choose the rivals. I am talking both academically and, if they are so lucky, athletically. If they have a desire to get out of MSP and away from mom and dad, there are literally dozens of other more options that they will find more attractive than heading east on 94 or south on 35.

If I asked any Vikings fan whether they would suddenly switch to rooting for the Packers because of the Packers success, I would be laughed out of the room. I don't see why any given diehard Gopher household would be any different.
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Packers ... You finally hit a point that even the purest virtue signallers cannot fail to understand.
 

alchemy2u said:
To each their own....

I think a big difference is if people are more lovers of the game or more supporters of their home area.

The average person wearing a Gopher sweatshirt isn't so much watching the zone blocking schemes, cycling the puck or waiting for a back post screen. They are watching their home team do well and trying to beat the rival teams. People watch the Olympics and root for the USA in badminton, diving or curling even if they know nothing about the coaching or even the rules of the sport.

But some true lovers of the sport concentrate more on the details of how it is played more than who is playing. If you are going to be a great player, you had better be a true lover of the game.

And of course, many fans are a combination of both homers and an aficionado of the sport.
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Great post.
 

builtbadgers said:
Not a big deal. everyone is different. We are raised differently, we raise differently. I do know that for recruits they pick coaches, programs and schools for so many reasons and by that time they have been exposed to so many teams and programs. They have traveled all over, seen other places and have actually cheered for other teams and programs.
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For those of us over 50, we’re more assimilated to provincialism. We were raised in a different era when exposure was limited. It still baffles me why more MN kids don’t desire to be a Gopher without waiver but I understand why.
 


ecoperson said:
I will repeat this one more time and then I am done. My kid may not choose to go to school at the U but they will never choose the rivals. I am talking both academically and, if they are so lucky, athletically. If they have a desire to get out of MSP and away from mom and dad, there are literally dozens of other more options that they will find more attractive than heading east on 94 or south on 35.

If I asked any Vikings fan whether they would suddenly switch to rooting for the Packers because of the Packers success, I would be laughed out of the room. I don't see why any given diehard Gopher household would be any different.
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Out of curiosity, have you ever lived outside of MN? I left in 2008 and I have not lived there since, and any animosity I previously felt for neighboring states is now excitement when I meet a fellow midwesterner.

Of course I still hate the sports teams, but I have no issue with people from the state or my family attending a program there. My wife did her fellowship at Iowa. Simply put, they had a better program than the U of M. And their fertility lab literally helped make our daughter via IVF...maybe too much information but it has given me a soft spot for them. Iowa City is a great town too.

Not to mention I can't blame a kid for going to WI/IA when a Brewster or Pitino is mismanaging the team.
 

eker0016 said:
Out of curiosity, have you ever lived outside of MN? I left in 2008 and I have not lived there since, and any animosity I previously felt for neighboring states is now excitement when I meet a fellow midwesterner.

Of course I still hate the sports teams, but I have no issue with people from the state or my family attending a program there. My wife did her fellowship at Iowa. Simply put, they had a better program than the U of M. And their fertility lab literally helped make our daughter via IVF...maybe too much information but it has given me a soft spot for them. Iowa City is a great town too.

Not to mention I can't blame a kid for going to WI/IA when a Brewster or Pitino is mismanaging the team.
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Just because we do not like a sports team doesn't mean we hate the people that live in that state, and it doesn't mean that we are all hillbillies that have never lived outside Minnesota.

Many people have sports alliances based upon who they liked when they grew up, and with that comes a dislike for certain rivals. And obviously, with that comes an unwillingness to give support to those rivals. And attending the school or forever being linked to that school with your degree is a way of supporting that rival.

All the posters are saying is there are several other options instead of attending a rival.

And you can all stop with the stupid "not a rival" talk. UM vs UW is the oldest played series in college football (and remember how deep of a hole UW was in order for their latest winning streak to make the series even).
 

alchemy2u said:
Just because we do not like a sports team doesn't mean we hate the people that live in that state, and it doesn't mean that we are all hillbillies that have never lived outside Minnesota.

Many people have sports alliances based upon who they liked when they grew up, and with that comes a dislike for certain rivals. And obviously, with that comes an unwillingness to give support to those rivals. And attending the school or forever being linked to that school with your degree is a way of supporting that rival.

All the posters are saying is there are several other options instead of attending a rival.

And you can all stop with the stupid "not a rival" talk. UM vs UW is the oldest played series in college football (and remember how deep of a hole UW was in order for their latest winning streak to make the series even).
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I asked ecoperson if he had lived outside of Minnesota. I found it gradually softened my edges about how I felt about the idea of Iowa/Wisconsin. In HS I gave shit classmates who went to Madison, but I feel differently now. Honestly I'm curious if this is a common progression. AlsoI live in a more rural and mountainous area now than I did in MN so I will claim the hillbilly title, thank you ;)

I understand being rivals with the sports teams (let me tell you sometime how strongly I dislike Brad Davison), but honestly I just don't understand this idea that attending WI/IA for an academic program is off limits because a parent/spouse is a big fan.

And I'm not sure why you think I said they are "not rivals".
 

eker0016 said:
Out of curiosity, have you ever lived outside of MN? I left in 2008 and I have not lived there since, and any animosity I previously felt for neighboring states is now excitement when I meet a fellow midwesterner.

Of course I still hate the sports teams, but I have no issue with people from the state or my family attending a program there. My wife did her fellowship at Iowa. Simply put, they had a better program than the U of M. And their fertility lab literally helped make our daughter via IVF...maybe too much information but it has given me a soft spot for them. Iowa City is a great town too.

Not to mention I can't blame a kid for going to WI/IA when a Brewster or Pitino is mismanaging the team.
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My family moved from MN to Florida when I was 12. I hated it with a passion and moved back to MN within a week of graduating from high school. During my entire time in FL, I proudly sported Gopher and Twins gear.

As one of the few 'outsiders' in my school, everyone was very interested in my background so I made sure that they knew all about MSP and the great state of MN. I almost got our star running back to attend the U but he chose a southern school in the end and MN finished as his runner up.

As an adult, health issues with my wife's family required us to move west and ensuing career opportunities have now taken us to a few western states. I remain as passionate a Gopher fan as I ever was. My wife laughs because I still turn to MSP news outlets for my 'local' news!

I again will not be forcing my child's decision. They were raised to root for the Gophers and root strongly against Wisc and Iowa. They wouldn't ever consider going to either of those schools. If MN doesn't have what they are looking for, they will choose any number of schools that have a better program that are NOT Iowa and Wisc.
 
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eker0016 said:
I asked ecoperson if he had lived outside of Minnesota. I found it gradually softened my edges about how I felt about the idea of Iowa/Wisconsin. In HS I gave shit classmates who went to Madison, but I feel differently now. Honestly I'm curious if this is a common progression. AlsoI live in a more rural and mountainous area now than I did in MN so I will claim the hillbilly title, thank you ;)

I understand being rivals with the sports teams (let me tell you sometime how strongly I dislike Brad Davison), but honestly I just don't understand this idea that attending WI/IA for an academic program is off limits because a parent/spouse is a big fan.

And I'm not sure why you think I said they are "not rivals".
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Attending WI/IA for an academic program is not off limits to my family because I am a Gopher fan, it is out of the question because my family are also diehard Gopher fans!
 

ecoperson said:
I will repeat this one more time and then I am done. My kid may not choose to go to school at the U but they will never choose the rivals. I am talking both academically and, if they are so lucky, athletically. If they have a desire to get out of MSP and away from mom and dad, there are literally dozens of other more options that they will find more attractive than heading east on 94 or south on 35.

If I asked any Vikings fan whether they would suddenly switch to rooting for the Packers because of the Packers success, I would be laughed out of the room. I don't see why any given diehard Gopher household would be any different.
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See now my kids (of course they’ll be great at all sports) will feign extreme interest in IA and WI. They’ll take their officials, camps, and just generally consume recruting energies and resources.

All the while, they’ll be using to back channels to assurre the the Gopher coach of their true intent. Then on signing day, the truth will be revealed…. And break hearts in the process. 😜
 

ecoperson said:
My family moved from MN to Florida when I was 12. I hated it with a passion and moved back to MN within a week of graduating from high school. During my entire time in FL, I proudly sported Gopher and Twins gear.

As one of the few 'outsiders' in my school, everyone was very interested in my background so I made sure that they knew all about MSP and the great state of MN. I almost got our star running back to attend the U but he chose a southern school in the end and MN finished as his runner up.

As an adult, health issues with my wife's family required us to move west and ensuing career opportunities have now taken us to a few western states. I remain as passionate a Gopher fan as I ever was. My wife laughs because I still turn to MSP news outlets for my 'local' news!

I again will not be forcing my child's decision. They were raised to root for the Gophers and root strongly against Wisc and Iowa. They wouldn't ever consider going to either of those schools. If MN doesn't have what they are looking for, they will choose any number of schools that have a better program that are NOT Iowa and Wisc.
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Thank you for the response, that is an interesting story to hear. You are clearly the definition of a diehard fan! That is funny you almost got the RB to go to MN. I hope the move helped with the health issues.

I also wear my Gopher gear frequently around here (Oregon) and it is fun to strike up conversations with fellow Minnesotans/B10 fans. Just met someone last week who spent their childhood going to the Boundary Waters every summer.

Although I always enjoy watching Wisconsin lose in the NCAA tournament, I don't harbor that level of anti-Iowa/Wisconsin feeling...but I appreciate you explaining how it works in your family. Good health to you guys and Go Gophers.
 

eker0016 said:
I asked ecoperson if he had lived outside of Minnesota. I found it gradually softened my edges about how I felt about the idea of Iowa/Wisconsin. In HS I gave shit classmates who went to Madison, but I feel differently now. Honestly I'm curious if this is a common progression. AlsoI live in a more rural and mountainous area now than I did in MN so I will claim the hillbilly title, thank you ;)

I understand being rivals with the sports teams (let me tell you sometime how strongly I dislike Brad Davison), but honestly I just don't understand this idea that attending WI/IA for an academic program is off limits because a parent/spouse is a big fan.

And I'm not sure why you think I said they are "not rivals".
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When I got to Ft Bragg thats how I felt. I’m an extremely loyal type, but the feeling you describe showed up immediately in basic training.

When I got back to MPLS after 4 years away, it was actually wierd to come back, I found I didn’t like the “extreme” rivals that took it too seriously. It Zapped a lot of the fun of it.
 
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eker0016 said:
Out of curiosity, have you ever lived outside of MN? I left in 2008 and I have not lived there since, and any animosity I previously felt for neighboring states is now excitement when I meet a fellow midwesterner.

Of course I still hate the sports teams, but I have no issue with people from the state or my family attending a program there. My wife did her fellowship at Iowa. Simply put, they had a better program than the U of M. And their fertility lab literally helped make our daughter via IVF...maybe too much information but it has given me a soft spot for them. Iowa City is a great town too.

Not to mention I can't blame a kid for going to WI/IA when a Brewster or Pitino is mismanaging the team.
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F that...I live in FL and meet dozens of midwesterners each year and they get the full treatment...its all in fun and nothing better than getting a Michigander or Ohioan to rag on their rival school or how everyone hates Nebraska and thinks Sconnie fans are the worst...
 

ecoperson said:
Attending WI/IA for an academic program is not off limits to my family because I am a Gopher fan, it is out of the question because my family are also diehard Gopher fans!
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I felt the same way as a 17 year old from Wisconsin, but at 18, sporting rivalries did not end up factoring into my decision to enroll at the U. My sister trail blazed a few years earlier, and at the time I loved to give her endless shit for choosing Minnesota. She invited me up to the metrodome for the 2005 blocked punt game (when I was still in high school), and it validated everything I knew about about the Gophers. A couple of years later though, and it felt like the best place to start my future. Further from home, strong program, more to see, yada yada yada.

Ironically, my sister and I both ended up back in Madison for graduate degrees during the badger Rose Bowl and final four streaks, so my dad forgave us.
 

ecoperson said:
I have explained this a few times but I must not be making myself clear. I am not making the decision for the child... they are making it for themselves.

A child that is raised in a rabid Gopher household is NOT going to have ANY desire to attend the hated rival. The whole family watches the rivalry games and passionately roots for the Gophers and against the badgers or hawkeyes. This is how I was raised and how our household is today.

I imagine that Michigan families feel the same about Ohio State while Alabama families despise Auburn. Seems fairly obvious to me. We parents are not forcing hatred... we share in a family bond of rooting for the home team (and against the rivals!) and the child actively participates in this.
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Maybe the Winters didn't think it was as heated once they were done at the U.

Maybe it just never took with Nolan. Not everyone loves what their parents loved. Not every legacy goes to the school they are expected too.
 

ecoperson said:
My family moved from MN to Florida when I was 12. I hated it with a passion and moved back to MN within a week of graduating from high school. During my entire time in FL, I proudly sported Gopher and Twins gear.

As one of the few 'outsiders' in my school, everyone was very interested in my background so I made sure that they knew all about MSP and the great state of MN. I almost got our star running back to attend the U but he chose a southern school in the end and MN finished as his runner up.

As an adult, health issues with my wife's family required us to move west and ensuing career opportunities have now taken us to a few western states. I remain as passionate a Gopher fan as I ever was. My wife laughs because I still turn to MSP news outlets for my 'local' news!

I again will not be forcing my child's decision. They were raised to root for the Gophers and root strongly against Wisc and Iowa. They wouldn't ever consider going to either of those schools. If MN doesn't have what they are looking for, they will choose any number of schools that have a better program that are NOT Iowa and Wisc.
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ecoperson said:
As I said, I am surprised that NOLAN would even give WI and IA the time of day. In my household, those two are the hated enemy. My child would NEVER consider it 'best' for themselves. They may not choose to go to the U but they certainly wouldn't even think about going to WI or IA. There are literally dozens of schools that can offer everything that those two schools have.

I would have imagined that Trevor and Heidi would have even more reason not to like WI and IA.
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My daughter almost chose to go to Wisconsin. I’m a diehard Gopher fan and despise Badger sports teams, but she has no interest and could care less about sports. I’m certainly not going to influence her not to attend a school because I don’t like their sports team.
 

Dave H said:
Maybe the Winters didn't think it was as heated once they were done at the U.

Maybe it just never took with Nolan. Not everyone loves what their parents loved. Not every legacy goes to the school they are expected too.
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Absolutely. I know one family of diehard Seminoles where one kid decided to become a Gator fan just to be different. They do family photos in their jerseys and the one kid definitely stands out!
 

John Galt said:
My daughter almost chose to go to Wisconsin. I’m a diehard Gopher fan and despise Badger sports teams, but she has no interest and could care less about sports. I’m certainly not going to influence her not to attend a school because I don’t like their sports team.
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My comments are only pertaining to situations where the entire family is diehard fans of the school. If your daughter doesn't care about sports, her college chose won't be impacted by Pops being a diehard Gopher fan. You are likely right to not influence her in your case but, at the same time, I wouldn't fault you for helping make sure she is at least aware of other viable options other than UW... especially if you're paying!
 

My kids get to make their own choices. I don’t ever want them to think I pushed them towards something they aren’t comfortable with. Wisconsin makes a lot of sense for kids in the Twin Cities who want to get away and want to be in a college town. It’s a large B1G school with comparable academics, affordable with reciprocity and only 4 hours away. No MN kids are ever going to Iowa and voluntarily paying $10-15K more in tuition per year.
 

John Galt said:
My kids get to make their own choices. I don’t ever want them to think I pushed them towards something they aren’t comfortable with. Wisconsin makes a lot of sense for kids in the Twin Cities who want to get away and want to be in a college town. It’s a large B1G school with comparable academics, affordable with reciprocity and only 4 hours away. No MN kids are ever going to Iowa and voluntarily paying $10-15K more in tuition per year.
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Absolutely. But parents obviously can play a role as guide and mentor. Most parents will have some input in the decision making on some level or another.

I imagine that the scenario you paint of kids going from MSP to Madison is much more likely than WI kids going to MN. It would be interesting to see any specific data on this. This could be a challenge where some of MN's best and brightest get drawn out of state.

Likely more metro kids want to experience a college town than outstate kids want to experience the big city. There is probably a little more trepidation among rural kids going to the city versus the opposite scenario.
 

ecoperson said:
Absolutely. But parents obviously can play a role as guide and mentor. Most parents will have some input in the decision making on some level or another.

I imagine that the scenario you paint of kids going from MSP to Madison is much more likely than WI kids going to MN. It would be interesting to see any specific data on this. This could be a challenge where some of MN's best and brightest get drawn out of state.

Likely more metro kids want to experience a college town than outstate kids want to experience the big city. There is probably a little more trepidation among rural kids going to the city versus the opposite scenario.
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There are WAY too many kids from Wisconsin that take advantage of reciprocity and go to the U. They stay in MSP for better jobs too after school.

I remember when I went to the U how many annoying Packer fans we had to deal with. Worse though, are the kids from Wisconsin who attend the U and wear Badger gear in the student section when we play each other. Total turds.
 

WriterGoph said:
There are WAY too many kids from Wisconsin that take advantage of reciprocity and go to the U. They stay in MSP for better jobs too after school.

I remember when I went to the U how many annoying Packer fans we had to deal with. Worse though, are the kids from Wisconsin who attend the U and wear Badger gear in the student section when we play each other. Total turds.
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This. Western WI is way closer to the Twin Cities than anywhere in MN to Madison.

It's probably incredibly shortsighted and could be the beautiful gorgeous Sunday afternoon cocktails talking but would love to dump reciprocity with WI.
 

pharmacygopher said:
This. Western WI is way closer to the Twin Cities than anywhere in MN to Madison.

It's probably incredibly shortsighted and could be the beautiful gorgeous Sunday afternoon cocktails talking but would love to dump reciprocity with WI.
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We’re basically taking Wisconsin’s “best and brightest” in exchange for reciprocity. There’s a reason they stay here despite wanting to maintain their rooting interests in a better sports team.
 

WriterGoph said:
There are WAY too many kids from Wisconsin that take advantage of reciprocity and go to the U. They stay in MSP for better jobs too after school.

I remember when I went to the U how many annoying Packer fans we had to deal with. Worse though, are the kids from Wisconsin who attend the U and wear Badger gear in the student section when we play each other. Total turds.
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pharmacygopher said:
This. Western WI is way closer to the Twin Cities than anywhere in MN to Madison.

It's probably incredibly shortsighted and could be the beautiful gorgeous Sunday afternoon cocktails talking but would love to dump reciprocity with WI.
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Yes, they are totally turds… but….

UW sells out their state. Attracting East Coast kids to boost rankings that will ultimately move to Chicago or the East coast.

We attract kids that will stay and build MN’s economy. I think reciprocity is brilliant for us - minus the turds of course.
 

WriterGoph said:
There are WAY too many kids from Wisconsin that take advantage of reciprocity and go to the U. They stay in MSP for better jobs too after school.

I remember when I went to the U how many annoying Packer fans we had to deal with. Worse though, are the kids from Wisconsin who attend the U and wear Badger gear in the student section when we play each other. Total turds.
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Mn girls are 1000x hotter than wi girls. Facts
 


Mulligan said:
From all the attention seeking on Gopher Hole by you, I seriously doubt you know that from personal experience--with girls from either state.
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Ouch. I don’t know either of you but the response should be interesting. Ha ha
 

ecoperson said:
I will repeat this one more time and then I am done. My kid may not choose to go to school at the U but they will never choose the rivals. I am talking both academically and, if they are so lucky, athletically. If they have a desire to get out of MSP and away from mom and dad, there are literally dozens of other more options that they will find more attractive than heading east on 94 or south on 35.

If I asked any Vikings fan whether they would suddenly switch to rooting for the Packers because of the Packers success, I would be laughed out of the room. I don't see why any given diehard Gopher household would be any different.
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Brett Favre played on the Vikings
 

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