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Gopherchase said:
Nice attitude babe! Do you not think that the starters for most of the teams in the highest high school division in Mn could play D3? If you don’t think they could then that’s just silly frankly don’t know what you’re so upset about.
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D3 is so vague. Could they play for Crown College? Most could. Could they play for St John’s? Most could not. Because St John’s has all sorts of kids from the biggest schools in MN that don’t play.

Like saying a kid committing to play at UIW is the same as Alabama. The disparity between them is similar.
 
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I saw kids who were all-conference in big Minnesota high schools get cut / not even make the team at mid-level WIAC schools. MIAC isn’t quite as good a league but the idea that any average high school kid could just waltz on to a team is absurd.

Even a team like Hamline is full of guys who were all-conf, all-state etc.
 
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living in SW MN, nice to see SMSU showing a little life under the new coach. the program had been struggling in recent years - 2-9 last year; 3-8 in 2019. They have a RB - Jesse Sherwood - who is averaging 184 yards and 2 TD's a game.
 

theTurning said:
I saw kids who were all-conference in big Minnesota high schools get cut / not even make the team at mid-level WIAC schools. MIAC isn’t quite as good a league but the idea that any average high school kid could just waltz on to a team is absurd.

Even a team like Hamline is full of guys who were all-conf, all-state etc.
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I’ve seen Wayzata, Eden Prairie, Lakeville teams that would go .500 in the MIAC on a given year.
 

Gopherchase said:
I’ve seen Wayzata, Eden Prairie, Lakeville teams that would go .500 in the MIAC on a given year.
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Doubt it very much. Similar to saying Georgia (or insert latest ncaa top team) would go .500 if they played in the _FC _____ Division. It’s a big step up from HS to DIII.
 


theTurning said:
I saw kids who were all-conference in big Minnesota high schools get cut / not even make the team at mid-level WIAC schools. MIAC isn’t quite as good a league but the idea that any average high school kid could just waltz on to a team is absurd.

Even a team like Hamline is full of guys who were all-conf, all-state etc.
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WIAC school should go DII. I don't like the idea of relatively large, public schools being DIII and not offering any scholarships.

These schools are like MN Duluth, St Cloud St, Mankato St, etc.
 

Gophers_4life said:
WIAC school should go DII. I don't like the idea of relatively large, public schools being DIII and not offering any scholarships.

These schools are like MN Duluth, St Cloud St, Mankato St, etc.
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That costs money, and the model in Wisconsin is such that they don't want to offer scholarships outside of Madison, Milwaukee and Green Bay - the three D1 schools. (and only Madison of those has football).

(I know Parkside is a D2 school - I'm not exactly sure why, but they don't have football either.
 

Panthadad2 said:
I wonder if Mary and Minot State regret transitioning from NAIA. They are bottom feeders in most sports.
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Both are a better fit in the NSAA or GPAC. I don't know why they moved up.
 

discochris said:
Both are a better fit in the NSAA or GPAC. I don't know why they moved up.
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I agree. A better fit for sports. Minot was very competitive in the old NAIA Dakota Athletic Conference in football while Mary was competitive in basketball (not sure when they added football). I do know a few athletes from the Twin Cities that have gone to Minot State recently, so maybe the schools are trying to expand their reach via the NSIC.
 




Panthadad2 said:
I agree. A better fit for sports. Minot was very competitive in the old NAIA Dakota Athletic Conference in football while Mary was competitive in basketball (not sure when they added football). I do know a few athletes from the Twin Cities that have gone to Minot State recently, so maybe the schools are trying to expand their reach via the NSIC.
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That makes total sense from a marketing standpoint. Trying to get students from a wider area in general.
 

UpAndUnder43 said:
MIAC regular season title game this weekend between SJU and Bethel?
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No doubt. Though I think SJU is in a different class and the game might not be competitive. Bethel lost to a below average (WIAC) UW Platteville team that just got monkey stomped by Hardin Simmons.

Hardin Simmons playing UMHB this weekend. That's a massive game for them.
 
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Panthadad2 said:
No doubt. Though I think SJU is in a different class and the game might not be competitive. Bethel lost to a below average (WIAC) UW Platteville team that just got monkey stomped by Hardin Simmons.

Hardin Simmons playing UMHB this weekend. That's a massive game for them.
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I haven't seen Bethel but scores would agree. However, SJU has struggled at Bethel at times. Seems like their conference to lose. Not sure if Trost is healthy and that SJU running game has been miserable.
 



Is Carleton legit. They've put up some big numbers so far.
 





Goph4Lyfe said:
As a student there, much appreciated. And yeah, we got bumped up to 6thLA college in the nation this year
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I grew up in Northfield, loved going to both Carleton & St Olaf games as a kid. I don't make it back much anymore for football games with the Gopher schedule, but do for a handful of basketball games.

A good excuse to also get a Basil's pizza.
 

Here's the new coaches poll for DII. NSIC teams bold, Minnesota teams in italics. Augustana stayed at No. 13.
  1. Ferris State (2-0)
  2. Northwest Missouri State (3-0)
  3. Grand Valley State (3-0)
  4. Angelo State (3-0)
  5. Shepherd (3-0)
  6. West Florida (2-0)
  7. Harding (3-0)
  8. West Georgia (2-0)
  9. Ouachita Baptist (3-0)
  10. Newberry (3-0)
  11. Slippery Rock (3-0)
  12. Ashland (2-0)
  13. Augustana (3-0)
  14. Pittsburg State (3-0)
  15. Valdosta State (2-1)
  16. Indianapolis (2-0)
  17. Notre Dame (2-1)
  18. Lenoir-Rhyne (2-1)
  19. Saginaw Valley State (3-0)
  20. Albany State (2-1)
  21. Colorado School of Mines (1-2)
  22. Virginia Union (3-0)
  23. New Haven (2-1)
  24. Henderson State (3-0)
  25. Nebraska-Kearney (2-1)
Others Receiving Votes
Frostburg State, Indiana (PA), West Texas A&M, Texas A&M-Kingsville, Kutztown, Sioux Falls, Assumption, Midwestern State, Minnesota State-Mankato, Tiffin, Washburn, West Alabama, Bowie State, Wayne State (NE)
 

IceBoxGopher said:
Here's the new coaches poll for DII. NSIC teams bold, Minnesota teams in italics. Augustana stayed at No. 13.
  1. Ferris State (2-0)
  2. Northwest Missouri State (3-0)
  3. Grand Valley State (3-0)
  4. Angelo State (3-0)
  5. Shepherd (3-0)
  6. West Florida (2-0)
  7. Harding (3-0)
  8. West Georgia (2-0)
  9. Ouachita Baptist (3-0)
  10. Newberry (3-0)
  11. Slippery Rock (3-0)
  12. Ashland (2-0)
  13. Augustana (3-0)
  14. Pittsburg State (3-0)
  15. Valdosta State (2-1)
  16. Indianapolis (2-0)
  17. Notre Dame (2-1)
  18. Lenoir-Rhyne (2-1)
  19. Saginaw Valley State (3-0)
  20. Albany State (2-1)
  21. Colorado School of Mines (1-2)
  22. Virginia Union (3-0)
  23. New Haven (2-1)
  24. Henderson State (3-0)
  25. Nebraska-Kearney (2-1)
Others Receiving Votes
Frostburg State, Indiana (PA), West Texas A&M, Texas A&M-Kingsville, Kutztown, Sioux Falls, Assumption, Midwestern State, Minnesota State-Mankato, Tiffin, Washburn, West Alabama, Bowie State, Wayne State (NE)
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U of Sioux Falls has a tough game at UMD this week. If they win, there might be 2 Sioux Falls area ranked teams. USF and Augustana then play the following week.
 


Panthadad2 said:
Gusties all up in arms over getting beat by UW Stout on a Hail Mary pass - like it was the Drew Pearson shove off. It was just bad defense IMO.

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That play and giving up a TD in the last minute before half time were the difference in the game. Gustavia was dominating them for most of the game.
 

discochris said:
That costs money, and the model in Wisconsin is such that they don't want to offer scholarships outside of Madison, Milwaukee and Green Bay - the three D1 schools. (and only Madison of those has football).

(I know Parkside is a D2 school - I'm not exactly sure why, but they don't have football either.
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I'm aware of what the "model" is. Not aware of any other state that denies athletic scholarship opportunities at its public schools for the "middle" level (DII).
 



St Scholastica drubbed Crown. St Scholastica lost 50-0 in their first game. The disparity amongst D3 teams is truly remarkable.
 

UpAndUnder43 said:
St Scholastica drubbed Crown. St Scholastica lost 50-0 in their first game. The disparity amongst D3 teams is truly remarkable.
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A very good poster over on the D3Boards had an insightful comment on this issue in a discussion regarding the built in WIAC advantages (pasted below). There are a small number of top national programs at the top, like all divisions of football, but there are also a non-small number of what he calls "easy beats". I would agree.

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Gophers_4life said:
I'm aware of what the "model" is. Not aware of any other state that denies athletic scholarship opportunities at its public schools for the "middle" level (DII).
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New Jersey, New York, Massachusetts.
 


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