All Things 2025 Minnesota Vikings In-Season Thread

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golf said:
Phil Mackey on PD just said Vikes would be super bowl contenders right now had they brought in Rodgers and his $12 million contract.
His argument is that Rodgers is the #12 rated QB. Also our defense is rated #1 over the last 7 weeks according to stats.

Mackey said the decision to not bring in Rodgers should go down as one of the biggest personnel mistakes in viking history. There is little doubt that KOC was intrigued with the idea last spring. However the hate toward the idea of bringing in Rodgers that was shown by Vikings media and fandom alike was too much for KOC.

Zulgad, who hates Rodgers with the heat of a thousand suns, grudgingly agreed with Mackey's assertion.
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lol at this whole concept. agree 100% on Rodgers getting smacked. do we make the playoffs? probably purely on the stance that the Steelers then have no QB and we beat them. Is this team anywhere near the upper echelon teams? No

teams with a winning record we've beaten. Chicago. That's it. that's the list.

Rodgers is 23rd in QBR (lol at anyone citing qb ratings anymore). We'd have an ok offense and a good to great defense (so a slightly worse version of Seattle). You're going to string together 3 games, possibly on the road in cold weather with a pass first offense under a 42 year old QB having his 3rd straight below average QBR season because his name is Rodgers. That's literally the only reason anyone thinks this is because they've created some "mystique" around him. If you were going to pay that money, Daniel Jones signed for the same (their contracts are 350k different) and has given markedly better efficiency numbers. If you're saying a mistake was made, it was there. Not in not signing an old guy who plays a wildly different passing structure/system than what KOC calls
 

GophersInIowa said:
Merry Christmas to you too.

The dropped TD and dropped pass that resulted in an INT Sunday were the fault of the WRs, not JJM.
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Merry Christmas to you as well, my friend! (And all on this thread, as well)


As is usually the case, the real, actual truth allows for non-zero percentage of blame to shared by all parties. Not black and white.


JJ (the real one, Justin Jefferson ... I look forward to no longer needing to make this clarification) didn't have any problem hauling in similarly located passes yesterday.

That proves, in my mind, that a large portion of the blame lies on the throw.


We can waive our hands or talk about money or similarly irrelevant things ... but it doesn't matter if you give someone $1Billion dollars, there is some setting on the Juggs machine that simply is uncatchable. That proves the concept.
 

Ope3 said:
Being a Pro Bowl caliber talent and performing as one in terms of production to actually warrant the actual honor are completely different things.

That should be obvious. The designations aren't based on potential or previous season output.
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The designation is very largely meaningless.
 


Slim Tubby said:
The Vikings have 40 plays for 70 total yards and net -1 yard Passing.
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It's possible that the offensive game plan was setup to actually try to not win the game.

I could actually buy that.


Detroit just plain did not play anywhere near well enough to deserve inclusion in the playoff.
 


Only not getting the Cardinals in the NFC West crossover is the big difference between the 3rd & 4th place schedule.

Tennessee or Indy for the AFC south crossover
Washington or NYG for the NFC East crossover
 

upnorthkid said:
lol at this whole concept. agree 100% on Rodgers getting smacked. do we make the playoffs? probably purely on the stance that the Steelers then have no QB and we beat them. Is this team anywhere near the upper echelon teams? No

teams with a winning record we've beaten. Chicago. That's it. that's the list.

Rodgers is 23rd in QBR (lol at anyone citing qb ratings anymore). We'd have an ok offense and a good to great defense (so a slightly worse version of Seattle). You're going to string together 3 games, possibly on the road in cold weather with a pass first offense under a 42 year old QB having his 3rd straight below average QBR season because his name is Rodgers. That's literally the only reason anyone thinks this is because they've created some "mystique" around him. If you were going to pay that money, Daniel Jones signed for the same (their contracts are 350k different) and has given markedly better efficiency numbers. If you're saying a mistake was made, it was there. Not in not signing an old guy who plays a wildly different passing structure/system than what KOC calls
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Thank you.

Whenever I think about Sharon exploits, this comparison always pops in my head -

Eli Manning 2SB
Sharon Rodgers 1SB
Trent Dilfer 1 SB
Brad Johnson 1 SB
 
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GopherGrit said:
Merry Christmas to you as well, my friend! (And all on this thread, as well)


As is usually the case, the real, actual truth allows for non-zero percentage of blame to shared by all parties. Not black and white.


JJ (the real one, Justin Jefferson ... I look forward to no longer needing to make this clarification) didn't have any problem hauling in similarly located passes yesterday.

That proves, in my mind, that a large portion of the blame lies on the throw.
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Did you ever play competitive football, HS+? Or any sports?

I ask because, you seemingly speak largely on an observational basis vs. experiential. That doesn’t mean you don’t understand some concepts or are less of a fan than anyone else, rather there are some things in life you learn by doing vs. watching.

GopherGrit said:
We can waive our hands or talk about money or similarly irrelevant things ... but it doesn't matter if you give someone $1Billion dollars, there is some setting on the Juggs machine that simply is uncatchable. That proves the concept.
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GopherGrit said:
Veteran QB would've solved that.

Just an incredible blunder.
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They signed one, Carson Wentz.

He won 2 out his first 3 starts, got hurt in his 3rd game. His performance went down, they lost a few games and was ultimately placed on the shelf due to his injured status.
 

Well Brosmer is not the answer. The OL is just bad and Vikes are overpaying about 1/2 if their roster. I would trade Jefferson and do a complete rebuild. But GM wont because he'd be fired.
 

howeda7 said:
Get Brian Flores a contract extension ASAP.
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Why won't he be a head coach and defensive playcaller somewhere else, next year? Might have missed our window with him as DC.

Then again, maybe no one will be interested due to what happened with Dolphins
 





Ski U Mah Gopher said:
Only not getting the Cardinals in the NFC West crossover is the big difference between the 3rd & 4th place schedule.

Tennessee or Indy for the AFC south crossover
Washington or NYG for the NFC East crossover
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I think the difference is more than just a little bit here

 

golf said:
Phil Mackey on PD just said Vikes would be super bowl contenders right now had they brought in Rodgers and his $12 million contract.
His argument is that Rodgers is the #12 rated QB. Also our defense is rated #1 over the last 7 weeks according to stats.

Mackey said the decision to not bring in Rodgers should go down as one of the biggest personnel mistakes in viking history. There is little doubt that KOC was intrigued with the idea last spring. However the hate toward the idea of bringing in Rodgers that was shown by Vikings media and fandom alike was too much for KOC.

Zulgad, who hates Rodgers with the heat of a thousand suns, grudgingly agreed with Mackey's assertion.
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A solid, veteran QB was always the correct decision for this team.

Fan angst has absolutely nothing to do with it. Rubes would love to think that fan opinions matter, but they don't.

Rodgers may or may not have been the best answer, but another very good answer would have been to keep Darnold.

bUt ThEn We CoUlDn'T sIgN aLl ThOsE FrEe AgEnTs!!!

Like Hargrave, Allen, and Ryan Kelly?
 

GopherGrit said:
Bringing it up at all, did
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Bringing the topic up does not equate at all the level of meaning I place on every Vikings player failing to achieve Pro Bowl status in 2025.

Everyone can decide for themselves and discuss if they choose.
 

kg21 said:
Put the packers in the playoffs

Dropped two spots in the draft

Lost the 4th place schedule

and made the packer where they will rest the starters

So Vikings like and so predictable.
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And didn't "prove" a single thing about a defacto 3rd stringer QB, either. Not that we ever needed to "know" what we "had" in him.

Just a terrible win.
 

Ope3 said:
Bringing the topic up does not equate at all the level of meaning I place on every Vikings player failing to achieve Pro Bowl status in 2025.

Everyone can decide for themselves and discuss if they choose.
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The Jags could be #1 in the AFC and also didn't have a single Pro Bowler.

That proves the topic is completely irrelevant to things that matter.
 

upnorthkid said:
lol at this whole concept. agree 100% on Rodgers getting smacked. do we make the playoffs? probably purely on the stance that the Steelers then have no QB and we beat them. Is this team anywhere near the upper echelon teams? No

teams with a winning record we've beaten. Chicago. That's it. that's the list.

Rodgers is 23rd in QBR (lol at anyone citing qb ratings anymore). We'd have an ok offense and a good to great defense (so a slightly worse version of Seattle). You're going to string together 3 games, possibly on the road in cold weather with a pass first offense under a 42 year old QB having his 3rd straight below average QBR season because his name is Rodgers. That's literally the only reason anyone thinks this is because they've created some "mystique" around him. If you were going to pay that money, Daniel Jones signed for the same (their contracts are 350k different) and has given markedly better efficiency numbers. If you're saying a mistake was made, it was there. Not in not signing an old guy who plays a wildly different passing structure/system than what KOC calls
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QBR? Some proprietary made up ESPN thing? I'm not going to discuss anything with that.

Defense wins championships and ours is humming. If we just have an average offense, we are quite a formidable team.

You'll have to crawdad quite a ways to try to get around that.


Pittsburgh is a playoff team because of Rodgers. Similar team, great defense.


Anyway, sure. Dan Jones. Or Darnold. Either works. A solid vet, is the point.
 

Ski U Mah Gopher said:
Only not getting the Cardinals in the NFC West crossover is the big difference between the 3rd & 4th place schedule.

Tennessee or Indy for the AFC south crossover
Washington or NYG for the NFC East crossover
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Every year some team makes a significant jump up that wasn't necessarily predictable at the end of that season.

Patriots were last in 2024 and now they're first this year.
 

GopherGrit said:
The Jags could be #1 in the AFC and also didn't have a single Pro Bowler.
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Hats off to the Jaguars Coaching staff for getting that much out of a roster devoid of any 2025 Pro Bowl talent.
 


Ope3 said:
They signed one, Carson Wentz.

He won 2 out his first 3 starts, got hurt in his 3rd game. His performance went down, they lost a few games and was ultimately placed on the shelf due to his injured status.
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Won't bite on a troll.

No one reasonable thinks Wentz is the same thing as Dan Jones, Darnold, or Rodgers.
 

GopherGrit said:
Won't bite on a troll.

No one reasonable thinks Wentz is the same thing as Dan Jones, Darnold, or Rodgers.
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Now you're prefacing by saying they should have acquired a better Veteran option than Wentz, which is a different argument.

If Wentz hadn't suffered a season ending injury, perhaps they win an extra game or two and would have made it to the Playoffs. Ultimately he did. Just like Daniel Jones and the Colts suffered the same consequences.
 

GopherGrit said:
QBR? Some proprietary made up ESPN thing? I'm not going to discuss anything with that.

Defense wins championships and ours is humming. If we just have an average offense, we are quite a formidable team.

You'll have to crawdad quite a ways to try to get around that.


Pittsburgh is a playoff team because of Rodgers. Similar team, great defense.


Anyway, sure. Dan Jones. Or Darnold. Either works. A solid vet, is the point.
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how about QBERT? 37th
like baseball? what about WAR? 22nd
PSFN QB impact? 25th

Interestingly enough, Wentz before he got hurt and fell apart actually is better than Rodgers in pretty much all the advanced metrics (which surprised me but he did have some very efficient big games mixed in there). Pittsburgh is a playoff team because they are solid and don't usually beat themselves while having solid play in all 3 phases (which is why they're a scraping in playoff team who's bang on league average getting in in a division that's awful this year). They have also beaten 2 teams with winning records and would be in the exact same spot as us. Is that your aspirational goal? I get it, we all want to win one. Rodgers was not the difference in that happening. A competent (or at bare minimum healthy) OL was by far the back breaker. Despite being 30th in passing attempts/game, we're also 30th in sacks allowed a game and a sack percentage of 11.35% (which is insane).

Also interestingly enough, same number of super bowls for Wentz as Rodgers ;)
 

Ope3 said:
Now you're prefacing by saying they should have acquired a better Veteran option than Wentz, which is a different argument.

If Wentz hadn't suffered a season ending injury, perhaps they win an extra game or two and would have made it to the Playoffs. Ultimately he did. Just like Daniel Jones and the Colts suffered the same consequences.
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Dan Jones doesn't get injured if he stays here, and we're in the playoffs with him.

Was beyond obvious what kind of veteran I was talking about. Won't bite on trolls. Stop trolling
 

upnorthkid said:
how about QBERT? 37th
like baseball? what about WAR? 22nd
PSFN QB impact? 25th

Interestingly enough, Wentz before he got hurt and fell apart actually is better than Rodgers in pretty much all the advanced metrics (which surprised me but he did have some very efficient big games mixed in there). Pittsburgh is a playoff team because they are solid and don't usually beat themselves while having solid play in all 3 phases (which is why they're a scraping in playoff team who's bang on league average getting in in a division that's awful this year). They have also beaten 2 teams with winning records and would be in the exact same spot as us. Is that your aspirational goal? I get it, we all want to win one. Rodgers was not the difference in that happening. A competent (or at bare minimum healthy) OL was by far the back breaker. Despite being 30th in passing attempts/game, we're also 30th in sacks allowed a game and a sack percentage of 11.35% (which is insane).

Also interestingly enough, same number of super bowls for Wentz as Rodgers ;)
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The sacks were because McCarthy and Brosmer held onto the ball. So did Wentz, trying to save his career and force plays to happen.

Rodgers knows how to quickly throw it away. That's what a solid (as was obvious, didn't need to be clarified) vet gets you. Also how he would be able to avoid injury.


This defense, with Rodgers ability to find our playmakers, would love to see into another universe to actually know instead of your biased handwaiving.

Agree with you that OL is the major stumbling block.


Maybe we don't win a playoff game. We spent $12M on a one year deal with him instead of signing Hargrave and Ryan Kelly.

No worse. Perhaps a bit better.
 

GopherGrit said:
Pro Bowl or not is irrelevant.

You haven't made a reasonable point yet
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I have not made any point whatsoever other than stating a fact that the Vikings failed to have any Players achieve Pro Bowl status in 2025.

You have projected what I think that means or doesn't mean.
 

Ope3 said:
I have not made any point whatsoever other than stating a fact that the Vikings failed to have any Players achieve Pro Bowl status in 2025.

You have projected what I think that means or doesn't mean.
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Bringing it up means you were trying to make a point out of it.

I don't care if you're going to sit there any be dishonest about it. See right through you
 

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