All Things 2024-25 Vikings Regular Season Thread

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golf said:
And all those Packer fans were confident they would see two things:
- Jacobs rolling over our defense.
- Packer pass rush rolling over our oline.

Neither happened. Instead, KOC and Flores said, "Bring it, we ain't going nowhere."
Three hours later Packers are the 7th seed. There may be doubt which team was more talented, but no doubt which team was better prepared. Coach of the Year and Asst Coach of the Year for a reason.
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They were definitely out coached and we were the better team.

I think they’re a few years away; need more seasoning before they make their real runs.
 

Ogee Ogilthorpe said:
I really don't know how you let a guy leave your building that is running YOUR offense at an elite level. I just don't see it.

And F*CK the new AP suggested rules/criteria on injury-related Comeback Player of the Year; how on God's green earth do you not vote Sam Darnold CPOY? And I'm not even saying that because I have a 30-1 bet on him to win the award.

Same with KOC; that has to all but seal the Coach of the Year award, regardless of what happens next week against Detroit (and yes, I also have a 30-1 bet on him for the award!)
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Gink!
 



Meathead Dan Campbell playing his starters is just stupid. They deserve to have 2-3 starters get injured for his stubborn meathead tendencies.
 



WilliamsArenaGuy said:
I don't. Maybe we should have an All Things Ogee's Gambling Stories thread.
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Right. It consumes such an inordinate amount of space on this thread... I'll mark you down as one that doesn't care.

The Lions were the Lions last night; I still think Campbell costs them a game (again) at some point in the playoffs. He's a f*cking moron. He's got an ELITE roster, especially on offense, and an elite OC, and I think a pretty good DC, and he can get the guys motivated to play. Being an elite HC goes far, far beyond being a good motivator.

Give Campbell most of the rosters in the NFL and he's not winning 8 games.
 

Detroit Free Press compares the two teams:
QB - tie
RB - Lions
WR, TE - Vikes
OL - Lions
DL - Vikes
LB, Edge - Vikes
CB - Vikes
S - Lions
ST - Lions
Coaching - Lions
 




golf said:
Yeah, and the question for Kwesi will be that if we sign Darnold, that means $25 million more in cap space next season for GB and Detroit than for us.

Darnold was magnificent yesterday. Spot on with some throws into very tight windows.
However we must remember Pack was missing important players Watson (thanks again Kwesi), Alexander, Williams, Walker, Anderson. Do we win that game if these guys play? We are all aware how Detroit has been hammered like none other with injuries this season as well.

Vikes have probly been the most healthy team in the league this year. If we sign Darnold but don't have a significant health advantage next season, what happens? If we sign Darnold and our two biggest rivals have $25 million more in cap space, what happens? Going forward, can we count on our oline playing like yesterday? Will Flores be back and if not do we need significant salary cap space to upgrade our defensive talent? We have to sign our whole defensive backfield, how much of our salary cap will just that take?

There are a lot of questions. Given all the above, I am not convinced Darnold's $40m+ salary here would allow his supporting cast to be as strong as will be needed.

Anyway, kinda fun to speculate. Depends as well on exactly what KOC thinks of McCarthy. I suppose safe move would be to franchise Sam and let it ride another year? May not be the best move though. Guess I trust Kwesi to make the right call.
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Thanks for the great response, appreciate it.

At the end of the day, all the teams start on paper with the same amount of salary cap, then they make their decisions.

At this time:
Love in 2025 has a cap number of almost $30M ( https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/green-bay-packers click 2025 tab)
Goff in 2025 has a cap number of $32.6M ( https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/detroit-lions click 2025 tab)

These can change of course between now and the 2025 season.

If we franchise Darnold, would that automatically be a cap number of $41M for our 2025? I think so but not sure.

And then all the other hits that go on top of those for each team.


Having great players who are relatively cheap, for whatever reasons, is always a key thing, because you can never pay for an all-star team.
 

GopherGrit said:
Thanks for the great response, appreciate it.

At the end of the day, all the teams start on paper with the same amount of salary cap, then they make their decisions.

At this time:
Love in 2025 has a cap number of almost $30M ( https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/green-bay-packers click 2025 tab)
Goff in 2025 has a cap number of $32.6M ( https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/detroit-lions click 2025 tab)

These can change of course between now and the 2025 season.

If we franchise Darnold, would that automatically be a cap number of $41M for our 2025? I think so but not sure.

And then all the other hits that go on top of those for each team.


Having great players who are relatively cheap, for whatever reasons, is always a key thing, because you can never pay for an all-star team.
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Yes, an automatic cap hit of 41, can't be spread out. Natl media especially is virtually unanimous in their belief that Vikes need to bring back Darnold. There is some local media that is skeptical about this.

No way to know for certain which path is correct, but Kwesi is going to get crucified from a lot of corners should he not take the popular path here.

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golf said:
Yes, an automatic cap hit of 41, can't be spread out. Natl media especially is virtually unanimous in their belief that Vikes need to bring back Darnold. There is some local media that is skeptical about this.

No way to know for certain which path is correct, but Kwesi is going to get crucified from a lot of corners should he not take the popular path here.

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KAM will get crucified by a portion of the fan base, no matter what he does.

Because, well.... CINE!!
 

Ogee Ogilthorpe said:
KAM will get crucified by a portion of the fan base, no matter what he does.

Because, well.... CINE!!
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That draft was historically bad. Kwesi himself admitted he got out over his skis.
Not only the bad picks but then also doubling down and giving important pieces to our biggest rivals. If given the chance, Vikes in a heartbeat would trade our whole draft that year for Watson, or for Willams. Truly remarkable.

However, no one can doubt his success in the free agent market. Also remarkable.

I for one trust Kwesi and the Viking decision makers to make the right decision regarding Darnold.
 
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GopherGrit said:
Thanks for the great response, appreciate it.

At the end of the day, all the teams start on paper with the same amount of salary cap, then they make their decisions.

At this time:
Love in 2025 has a cap number of almost $30M ( https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/green-bay-packers click 2025 tab)
Goff in 2025 has a cap number of $32.6M ( https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/detroit-lions click 2025 tab)

These can change of course between now and the 2025 season.

If we franchise Darnold, would that automatically be a cap number of $41M for our 2025? I think so but not sure.

And then all the other hits that go on top of those for each team.


Having great players who are relatively cheap, for whatever reasons, is always a key thing, because you can never pay for an all-star team.
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Is the cap set for next year already?
 

Ski U Mah Gopher said:
KOC will the COY, but the Lions have the coaching advantage? Great homer call DFP!!!
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KOC is so cool, not a spotlight seeker, like some and always credits his players first.

Those guys must love being at the facility.

I’m so tired of the lauding of the 🦁🤷‍♂️; can you imagine if they lose in the first round of the playoffs, because obviously we’re winning Sunday 😃
 

golf said:
That draft was historically bad. Kwesi himself admitted he got out over his skis.
Not only the bad picks but then also doubling down and giving important pieces to our biggest rivals. If given the chance, Vikes in a heartbeat would trade our whole draft that year for Watson, or for Willams. Truly remarkable.

However, no one can doubt his success in the free agent market. Also remarkable.

I for one trust Kwesi and the Viking decision makers to make the right decision regarding Darnold.
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We all make mistakes in our vocations, especially when in a new position. The important thing for me is, do you learn and get better? We all learn by doing.
 

golf said:
That draft was historically bad. Kwesi himself admitted he got out over his skis.
Not only the bad picks but then also doubling down and giving important pieces to our biggest rivals. If given the chance, Vikes in a heartbeat would trade our whole draft that year for Watson, or for Willams. Truly remarkable.

However, no one can doubt his success in the free agent market. Also remarkable.

I for one trust Kwesi and the Viking decision makers to make the right decision regarding Darnold.
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Watson can't stay healthy or catch passes...other than that, he's been great. Jameson on the other hand...yikes.

WR1 Justin Jefferson
WR2 Jordan Addison
WR3 Jameson Williams

KAM has been killing it in Free Agency, though.
 

Gopher_In_NYC said:
We all make mistakes in our vocations, especially when in a new position. The important thing for me is, do you learn and get better? We all learn by doing.
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Not all mistakes are created equal. This one was massive. At the time Kwesi was questioned about making such trades on draft day within his division. Kwesi responded with nonchalance and in my mind, with arrogance . Well, he certainly received his comeuppance.

That said, Kwesi took his medicine and has bounced back nicely. That arrogance has not been demonstrated since that I have seen. Glad he is our GM.
 

Slim Tubby said:
Watson can't stay healthy or catch passes...other than that, he's been great. Jameson on the other hand...yikes.

WR1 Justin Jefferson
WR2 Jordan Addison
WR3 Jameson Williams

KAM has been killing it in Free Agency, though.
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The flaw in that is:

If he took Williams or Watson (see Golf's post below) in his first draft, he wouldn't have taken Addison.
 

Slim Tubby said:
Watson can't stay healthy or catch passes...other than that, he's been great. Jameson on the other hand...yikes.

WR1 Justin Jefferson
WR2 Jordan Addison
WR3 Jameson Williams

KAM has been killing it in Free Agency, though.
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Williams has 960 yds this season and Watson 630. Their potential going forward far surpasses that of our whole 2022 draft. So will agree to disagree regarding your first paragraph.

Agree with last paragraph. Love his free agent pick ups.
 

golf said:
Not all mistakes are created equal. This one was massive. At the time Kwesi was questioned about making such trades on draft day within his division. Kwesi responded with nonchalance and in my mind, with arrogance . Well, he certainly received his comeuppance.

That said, Kwesi took his medicine and has bounced back nicely. That arrogance has not been demonstrated since that I have seen. Glad he is our GM.
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As I’ve gotten into my 50s, I’ve become more forgiving regarding transgressions which do/don’t personally affect me.

I’ve found, for me, it’s a more relaxed way to exsist.
 

golf said:
Williams has 960 yds this season and Watson 630. Their potential going forward far surpasses that of our whole 2022 draft. So will agree to disagree regarding your first paragraph.

Agree with last paragraph. Love his free agent pick ups.
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Watson can't stay healthy and Williams has been a constant headache. I fully agree with you on the ineptness of that draft, but I don't want either one of those dudes.
 

forever a gopher said:
Watson can't stay healthy and Williams has been a constant headache. I fully agree with you on the ineptness of that draft, but I don't want either one of those dudes.
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Yup. I was going to say the same thing; Watson can't stay healthy and Williams seems like he's determined to get himself in jail, or at least suspended. F'ng idiot.
 

Gopher_In_NYC said:
As I’ve gotten into my 50s, I’ve become more forgiving regarding transgressions which do/don’t personally affect me.

I’ve found, for me, it’s a more relaxed way to exsist.
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Yes, certainly the best path. Glad you were able to arrive at that point. Life is too short. 👍
 
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Ogee Ogilthorpe said:
Yup. I was going to say the same thing; Watson can't stay healthy and Williams seems like he's determined to get himself in jail, or at least suspended. F'ng idiot.
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Yeah, that is another debate I suppose. I would take Watson in a heartbeat. I suppose Williams can be a question, but we seem to be able to manage Addison's picadillos so there is that.
 

golf said:
Williams has 960 yds this season and Watson 630. Their potential going forward far surpasses that of our whole 2022 draft. So will agree to disagree regarding your first paragraph.

Agree with last paragraph. Love his free agent pick ups.
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I get what you're saying with Williams and Watson, but the Vikings staying with their pick and taking Kyle Hamilton was the obvious pick at that time, and would have been the right move.

If they do that, then maybe neither Detroit or GB ends up with Williams and Watson.
 

Ski U Mah Gopher said:
The flaw in that is:

If he took Williams or Watson (see Golf's post below) in his first draft, he wouldn't have taken Addison.
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Geez...in that scenario, we just eliminated KAM's best draft pick since becoming our GM.

(You are probably correct, though.)
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
I get what you're saying with Williams and Watson, but the Vikings staying with their pick and taking Kyle Hamilton was the obvious pick at that time, and would have been the right move.

If they do that, then maybe neither Detroit or GB ends up with Williams and Watson.
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Correct. It cascaded.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
I get what you're saying with Williams and Watson, but the Vikings staying with their pick and taking Kyle Hamilton was the obvious pick at that time, and would have been the right move.

If they do that, then maybe neither Detroit or GB ends up with Williams and Watson.
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Donatell did NOT want Hamilton, he wasn't a fit for what Donatell was doing. This has been kinda beaten to death for years. Hamilton, at least at THAT time, fit a fairly specific defensive scheme and it was most definitely NOT what Donatell was running. It wasn't going to happen.
 

Ogee Ogilthorpe said:
Donatell did NOT want Hamilton, he wasn't a fit for what Donatell was doing. This has been kinda beaten to death for years. Hamilton, at least at THAT time, fit a fairly specific defensive scheme and it was most definitely NOT what Donatell was running. It wasn't going to happen.
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Then Donatell should have been fired on the spot. If you can’t make a pro bowl talent work in any scheme, then you’re a terrible coach.
 

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