All Things 2024-25 Vikings Regular Season Thread

Remember if the 49ers wins tonight over the Rams. The Vikings will clinch a playoffs spot. So root for the 49ers tonight.
Counterpoint: If anyone can knock off the Lions/Eagles for us in the Divisional Round, it might be the Rams...

Vikings beat Atlanta/Tampa. The Rams knock off Green Bay. Vikings beat Philly and Rams beat Lions in Divisional Round. NFC Championship: Rams @ Vikings
 

I am probably wrong on this because I don't follow the finance/salary cap/contract issues very closely, but I think if you franchise him, the offer would have to be in the $25 to $30 million range. What if he takes it? Don't think the Vikes want that much of their cap space tied up in Darnold, but who knows.
I don't think he can accept or decline a franchise tag. If the team applies it, that's what it is. He can holdout for something else but he can't turn it down and become an unrestricted free agent.

I also saw it is projected a franchise tag would be over $40M for him.
 

How did Jalen Redmon become a Viking? By jumping off the tape in the UFL, after being undrafted and cut by the Panthers.

Beyond a cool story bro, here’s some snippets from the article in the Athletic -


One morning last summer, Ryan Grigson, the Minnesota Vikings’senior vice president of player personnel, appeared in the doorway of Brian Flores’ office. Grigson, a former scout, had been scouring film from the United Football League. A defensive tackle had impressed him so much that he wanted to mention him to the defensive coordinator.


Intriguing Grigson as much as anything was Redmond’s wiggle. For a 6-foot-3, 291-pound defensive tackle, Redmond maneuvered swiftly toward the quarterback on pass-rushing downs.

Grigson offered his evaluation. Flores listened skeptically, understanding how rare it is for NFL teams to pluck meaningful contributors from alternate football leagues weeks before training camp.

“It’s kinda like, ‘Are we really doing this?’” Flores said a few weeks ago. “Then you put the tape on and you go, ‘Hey, maybe we should really do this.’”



Interesting, thanks.

Redmond part of Kwesi's 2024 free agent class that is the best in team history. Amazing stuff how every player he brought in has been a hit. Even guys like Gabriel and Richter look like they have a chance.

On the other hand I suppose there is Kwesi's 2022 draft which was unfortunately the worst in team history.
 

Interesting, thanks.

Redmond part of Kwesi's 2024 free agent class that is the best in team history. Amazing stuff how every player he brought in has been a hit. Even guys like Gabriel and Richter look like they have a chance.

On the other hand I suppose there is Kwesi's 2022 draft which was unfortunately the worst in team history.
YW😃.

Ironically, that article also addresses the 2022 draft, by drawing a contrast between the teamwork amongst the FO and coaches with Redmond, present working mode and 2022 -

An underrated theme in ascending NFL organizations, however, is the amount of experience a front office has with its offensive and defensive systems. Andy Reid’s synergy with Patrick Mahomes is one thing, but you do not construct a defense like the Chiefs have built without general manager Brett Veach’s lengthy exposure to Steve Spagnuolo’s style.

In conversations with multiple former general managers this summer about the NFL Draft, a number of them mentioned the subject of mutual understanding in evaluation. Bill Polian said that Tony Dungy’s zone-based defensive structures made smaller, swifter defensive players more enticing to the Indianapolis Colts than they would have been to Bill Parcells or Bill Belichick.

Another former GM said simply, “Discontinuity almost always ensures failure.”

Any review of the Vikings’ poor 2022 draft class must account for how little the team’s staff had been exposed to each other. Adofo-Mensah and head coach Kevin O’Connell crossed paths in San Francisco but did not work directly together. O’Connell had never been on the same staff as then-defensive coordinator Ed Donatell. Grigson and vice president of football operations Demitrius Washington, whom Adofo-Mensah brought over, joined a group of front office staffers (Rob Brzezinski, Ryan Monnens, Chisom Opara, Jamaal Stephenson and Mike Sholiton) they’d never been exposed to.

By no means does this condone the poor first draft or the questionable early personnel decisions (signing Chandon Sullivan, relying on Cam Dantzler as a starting cornerback, etc.), but it is important context, especially with the front office’s more recent moves.
 

YW😃.

Ironically, that article also addresses the 2022 draft, by drawing a contrast between the teamwork amongst the FO and coaches with Redmond, present working mode and 2022 -

An underrated theme in ascending NFL organizations, however, is the amount of experience a front office has with its offensive and defensive systems. Andy Reid’s synergy with Patrick Mahomes is one thing, but you do not construct a defense like the Chiefs have built without general manager Brett Veach’s lengthy exposure to Steve Spagnuolo’s style.

In conversations with multiple former general managers this summer about the NFL Draft, a number of them mentioned the subject of mutual understanding in evaluation. Bill Polian said that Tony Dungy’s zone-based defensive structures made smaller, swifter defensive players more enticing to the Indianapolis Colts than they would have been to Bill Parcells or Bill Belichick.

Another former GM said simply, “Discontinuity almost always ensures failure.”

Any review of the Vikings’ poor 2022 draft class must account for how little the team’s staff had been exposed to each other. Adofo-Mensah and head coach Kevin O’Connell crossed paths in San Francisco but did not work directly together. O’Connell had never been on the same staff as then-defensive coordinator Ed Donatell. Grigson and vice president of football operations Demitrius Washington, whom Adofo-Mensah brought over, joined a group of front office staffers (Rob Brzezinski, Ryan Monnens, Chisom Opara, Jamaal Stephenson and Mike Sholiton) they’d never been exposed to.

By no means does this condone the poor first draft or the questionable early personnel decisions (signing Chandon Sullivan, relying on Cam Dantzler as a starting cornerback, etc.), but it is important context, especially with the front office’s more recent moves.


Will agree to disagree on the draft 🙂. Kwesi should have realized the situation and gone chalk instead of going yolo. That is on him.
As a result, Hamilton is in Baltimore, Williams in Detroit, Watson in GB. Cine, Booth, and friends are long gone.
 


on the Franchise tag -

The exclusive franchise tag guarantees the player a one-year salary - at the average of the five highest-paid players at his position during that current season, or 120% of his previous salary, whichever is higher; and it prevents him from negotiating a contract with any other team.

The non-exclusive tag guarantees the player a one-year salary at the average of the five highest-paid players at his position from the previous five years (applied to the current salary cap), or 120% of his previous salary, whichever is higher, and also allows that player to negotiate with other teams, who would have to surrender two first-round picks in addition to whatever contract they agree on with the player in question. The non-exclusive tag is the one that teams almost always use.

for 2024, the QB Non-Exclusive Franchise Tag price is $38.3-million. I assume that figure would go up for next year as QB's sign new contracts which pushes the average of the top 5 QB deals higher.

FWIW - current top QB Salaries - average per-year earnings
Dak - $60-mill
Trevor Lawrence - $55-mill
Joe Burrow - $55-mill
Jordan Love - $55-mill
Tua - $53-mill

top 9 QB's all over $50-mill avg per year
 

Will agree to disagree on the draft 🙂. Kwesi should have realized the situation and gone chalk instead of going yolo. That is on him.
As a result, Hamilton is in Baltimore, Williams in Detroit, Watson in GB. Cine, Booth, and friends are long gone.
I don’t disagree that the 2022 draft was run poorly ot that your points are incorrect, I just found it interesting in the points which Alec Lewis’ article addressed.
 


On the other hand I suppose there is Kwesi's 2022 draft which was unfortunately the worst in team history.

Oh, come on.... Ed Ingram (while clearly not great) has started essentially since he arrived; Ty Chandler is definitely a contributor, Jalen Nailor is definitely a big contributor for a 6th rounder (5 TDs this year); Asamoah is still on the roster and a Special Teams staple, A. Evans was on the roster as a DB until just a few weeks ago; shit, IIRC TE Nick Muse even stuck around for a while. And even V. Lowe, who didn't make it with the Vikings, has started at OT for the Patriots for the entire season I think

I don’t disagree that the 2022 draft was run poorly ot that your points are incorrect, I just found it interesting in the points which Alec Lewis’ article addressed.

I'll have to check out Alec's article, he's the best writer covering the Vikings. But again, for the 100th time; that 2022 draft was conducted with the entire scouting department and player evaluation staff that was held over from the previous Front Office; and the then-DC, Ed Donatell, pounded his fist on the table for Cine and also Booth.

Drafting is PART of the role of the GM, no doubt. But it's Kwesi's job to build the roster, plain and simple. And how much can you really nitpick the roster, in Year 3, of a team that is sitting at 11-2 and the Vikings are 31-16 since the current regime took over? And honestly I always thought they were going to be better next year than this year.
 



Interesting, thanks.

Redmond part of Kwesi's 2024 free agent class that is the best in team history. Amazing stuff how every player he brought in has been a hit. Even guys like Gabriel and Richter look like they have a chance.

On the other hand I suppose there is Kwesi's 2022 draft which was unfortunately the worst in team history.
2005 was a worse Draft for the Vikings off the top of my head.

 

Oh, come on.... Ed Ingram (while clearly not great) has started essentially since he arrived; Ty Chandler is definitely a contributor, Jalen Nailor is definitely a big contributor for a 6th rounder (5 TDs this year); Asamoah is still on the roster and a Special Teams staple, A. Evans was on the roster as a DB until just a few weeks ago; shit, IIRC TE Nick Muse even stuck around for a while. And even V. Lowe, who didn't make it with the Vikings, has started at OT for the Patriots for the entire season I think



I'll have to check out Alec's article, he's the best writer covering the Vikings. But again, for the 100th time; that 2022 draft was conducted with the entire scouting department and player evaluation staff that was held over from the previous Front Office; and the then-DC, Ed Donatell, pounded his fist on the table for Cine and also Booth.

Drafting is PART of the role of the GM, no doubt. But it's Kwesi's job to build the roster, plain and simple. And how much can you really nitpick the roster, in Year 3, of a team that is sitting at 11-2 and the Vikings are 31-16 since the current regime took over? And honestly I always thought they were going to be better next year than this year.

Ingram can't even beat out Risner. Chandler can't even beat out Akers. Expect neither to be with us next season. Nailor has been given every chance but has disappointed as well. We cut Evans. Muse has been cut and brought back to the practice squad. Lowe has been decidedly below average for the Pats. Aasamoah has contributed on special teams, hardly call that a win.
Out two first rounders, Cine and Booth, both failures.
Not only that, Kwesi hands our two biggest rivals starting receivers. The Vikes would right now gladly trade our whole 2022 draft to the Packers for Christian Watson. That is how bad was our draft.
2022 is not only Vikings worst draft, may be one of worst drafts in NFL draft history.
Kwesi's himself has admitted he got out over his skis with that draft.
 
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Ingram can't even beat out Risner. Chandler can't even beat out Akers. Expect neither to be with us next season. Nailor has been given every chance but has disappointed as well. We cut Evans. Muse has been cut and brought back to the practice squad. Lowe has been decidedly below average for the Pats. Aasamoah has contributed on special teams, hardly call that a win.
Out two first rounders, Cine and Booth, both failures.
Not only that, Kwesi hands our two biggest rivals starting receivers. The Vikes would right now gladly trade our whole 2022 draft to the Packers for Christian Watson. That is how bad was our draft.
2022 is not only Vikings worst draft, may be one of worst drafts in NFL draft history.
Kwesi's himself has admitted he got out over his skis with that draft.
Again 2005 Vikings Draft says, hold my beer.

They passed on Aaron Rodgers. Twice.


That would be like the TWolves passing on Steph Curry. Twice.

HoFer DeMarcus Ware also passed over for Troy Williamson.

Uffda.
 

Vikings Draft History

'22? '05? Go take a look at '71--now that was a dog of a draft, with legends (Jack Ham, Dan Dierdorf, Lyle Alzado) being passed by for ham and egg'ers. Or '89, '01, '04. '10 and '11 were dogs of drafts except for one player in each draft (Everson Griffen and Kyle Rudolph, respectively).
Point being, there's going to bad draft years and then there's going to be awful years and it seems the key is not to sink into the abyss of annual bad drafts and making sure your front office is mining free agency and UDFA, trades, waiver wires, etc while avoiding salary cap hell. We are long past the pre-free agency era (1993) when the draft and combing the waiver wires was basically your only means to improving your team and if you missed often (like the Bucs, Cardinals, Bengals seemed to do) you were screwed. From the looks of it, Kwesi and O'Connell and the rest of the brass have positioned the franchise to be successful moving forward and the results we've seen on the field should give anyone confidence that they know what they're doing.
 



Again 2005 Vikings Draft says, hold my beer.

They passed on Aaron Rodgers. Twice.


That would be like the TWolves passing on Steph Curry. Twice.

HoFer DeMarcus Ware also passed over for Troy Williamson.

Uffda.


Certainly every draft players are going to be passed over. 2022 draft we wiffed on two first rounders and the rest of the draft as well. Plus giving Williams and Watson to our biggest rivals. This is next level bad. Vikes would now gladly trade our whole 2022 draft for the player Kwesi gave to the Packers draft night. Kwesi himself has admitted he got out over his skis that draft.
 

Vikings Draft History

'22? '05? Go take a look at '71--now that was a dog of a draft, with legends (Jack Ham, Dan Dierdorf, Lyle Alzado) being passed by for ham and egg'ers. Or '89, '01, '04. '10 and '11 were dogs of drafts except for one player in each draft (Everson Griffen and Kyle Rudolph, respectively).
Point being, there's going to bad draft years and then there's going to be awful years and it seems the key is not to sink into the abyss of annual bad drafts and making sure your front office is mining free agency and UDFA, trades, waiver wires, etc while avoiding salary cap hell. We are long past the pre-free agency era (1993) when the draft and combing the waiver wires was basically your only means to improving your team and if you missed often (like the Bucs, Cardinals, Bengals seemed to do) you were screwed. From the looks of it, Kwesi and O'Connell and the rest of the brass have positioned the franchise to be successful moving forward and the results we've seen on the field should give anyone confidence that they know what they're doing.


As I said, Kwesi deserves all the credit for an historically good 2024 free agency. But also deserves all the blame for an historically bad 2022 draft.
 

Certainly every draft players are going to be passed over. 2022 draft we wiffed on two first rounders and the rest of the draft as well. Plus giving Williams and Watson to our biggest rivals. This is next level bad. Vikes would now gladly trade our whole 2022 draft for the player Kwesi gave to the Packers draft night. Kwesi himself has admitted he got out over his skis that draft.
Nobody is denying the 2022 Vikings Draft was bad. Your claim was that it was "the worst".

2005 was far worse in my opinion. Whiffed on 2 higher picks #7 (aquired from dumping Randy Moss) & #18, passed on 2 HoFers including one as QB that led the Packers to a Super Bowl.

Now THAT is epically bad.
 

Vikings Draft History

'22? '05? Go take a look at '71--now that was a dog of a draft, with legends (Jack Ham, Dan Dierdorf, Lyle Alzado) being passed by for ham and egg'ers. Or '89, '01, '04. '10 and '11 were dogs of drafts except for one player in each draft (Everson Griffen and Kyle Rudolph, respectively).
Point being, there's going to bad draft years and then there's going to be awful years and it seems the key is not to sink into the abyss of annual bad drafts and making sure your front office is mining free agency and UDFA, trades, waiver wires, etc while avoiding salary cap hell. We are long past the pre-free agency era (1993) when the draft and combing the waiver wires was basically your only means to improving your team and if you missed often (like the Bucs, Cardinals, Bengals seemed to do) you were screwed. From the looks of it, Kwesi and O'Connell and the rest of the brass have positioned the franchise to be successful moving forward and the results we've seen on the field should give anyone confidence that they know what they're doing.
The 2022 Vikings Draft is already better than 1989, IMO.

Not even 1 contributor. Yikes.
 

Nobody is denying the 2022 Vikings Draft was bad. Your claim was that it was "the worst".

2005 was far worse in my opinion. Whiffed on 2 higher picks #7 (aquired from dumping Randy Moss) & #18, passed on 2 HoFers including one as QB that led the Packers to a Super Bowl.

Now THAT is epically bad.


Differing opinions are certainly what makes a message board interesting. Will agree to disagree on worst Vikings draft.
 

Not only that, Kwesi hands our two biggest rivals starting receivers. The Vikes would right now gladly trade our whole 2022 draft to the Packers for Christian Watson. That is how bad was our draft.

I do have to add, it's at least a SMALL stretch to say the Vikings handed our two rivals starting WRs; Williams is a dumpster fire, he can hardly stay out of jail. That was definitely worth a hard PASS on for as high as he was taken in the 1st round. He's started 17 games in 3 years. The guy has a boatload of character issues that I would never want on my roster
 

I do have to add, it's at least a SMALL stretch to say the Vikings handed our two rivals starting WRs; Williams is a dumpster fire, he can hardly stay out of jail. That was definitely worth a hard PASS on for as high as he was taken in the 1st round. He's started 17 games in 3 years. The guy has a boatload of character issues that I would never want on my roster

He is 23 yrs old. His stats this season match the stats of a certain Vikings young receiver who has had his own problems. Whom Kwesi drafted by the way.
 

The 2022 Vikings Draft is already better than 1989, IMO.

Not even 1 contributor. Yikes.
My only reason for holding back on calling it the worst was that they didn't have a #1 pick that year. 1990 was only salvaged by the 9th round flier taken on Terry Allen (that year, their 1st and 2nd round picks were in Dallas' hands due to the Herschel Walker trade). It's pretty amazing that the Vikings weathered that debacle relatively well. One thing about the franchise--they may frustrate us to no end, question our sanity for staying on as fans, lose games in biblical fashion, but they never stay down for long. MF'ing Sisyphus is slack jawed at the way the Vikings (and the fans) keep working that rock.
 

I would be surprised if JJ McCarthy and Daniel Jones are not the top 2 QBs next year.

This feels a lot like the 2017 season. Case Keenum jumped up and had a career year, they made the NFC championship, yet the Vikings had no issue letting him walk after the season. And that was without spending a top 10 pick on a QB. JJ is the future starting next season.
It's a fair comparison, however, one difference is the raw skills of the two players. Darnold has the tools/abilities that earned a top 5 pick.

On side note, I saw Jamar Chase could be on the market. I'm sure we won't trade for him, but that would be the greatest receiver trio history. Challenged by 1980's Chargers: John Jefferson, Kellen Winslow and Charlie Joiner.
 
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I'll have to check out Alec's article, he's the best writer covering the Vikings. But again, for the 100th time; that 2022 draft was conducted with the entire scouting department and player evaluation staff that was held over from the previous Front Office; and the then-DC, Ed Donatell, pounded his fist on the table for Cine and also Booth.
This was the post in which Golf responded to, from Lewis’ article (italicized below), where he explains in-depth about how communication and having a pre-existing relationship lead to results, such as as finding an impact player like Jalen Redmond in The UFL, after he was undrafted and cut by the Panthers, it is exemplary in being complimentary regarding the current FO regime/staff and how they work together. Here is said post, verbatim from Lewis’ article -

An underrated theme in ascending NFL organizations, however, is the amount of experience a front office has with its offensive and defensive systems. Andy Reid’s synergy with Patrick Mahomes is one thing, but you do not construct a defense like the Chiefs have built without general manager Brett Veach’s lengthy exposure to Steve Spagnuolo’s style.

In conversations with multiple former general managers this summer about the NFL Draft, a number of them mentioned the subject of mutual understanding in evaluation. Bill Polian said that Tony Dungy’s zone-based defensive structures made smaller, swifter defensive players more enticing to the Indianapolis Colts than they would have been to Bill Parcells or Bill Belichick.


Another former GM said simply, “Discontinuity almost always ensures failure.”

Any review of the Vikings’ poor 2022 draft class must account for how little the team’s staff had been exposed to each other. Adofo-Mensah and head coach Kevin O’Connell crossed paths in San Francisco but did not work directly together. O’Connell had never been on the same staff as then-defensive coordinator Ed Donatell. Grigson and vice president of football operations Demitrius Washington, whom Adofo-Mensah brought over, joined a group of front office staffers (Rob Brzezinski, Ryan Monnens, Chisom Opara, Jamaal Stephenson and Mike Sholiton) they’d never been exposed to.

By no means does this condone the poor first draft or the questionable early personnel decisions (signing Chandon Sullivan, relying on Cam Dantzler as a starting cornerback, etc.), but it is important context, especially with the front office’s more recent moves.

Drafting is PART of the role of the GM, no doubt. But it's Kwesi's job to build the roster, plain and simple. And how much can you really nitpick the roster, in Year 3, of a team that is sitting at 11-2 and the Vikings are 31-16 since the current regime took over?
I never did, did I? Since this part of your post was directed to me, I am responding directly back to you bro.

I’m the one who posted the article, about how incredible it was to find Redmond, which was the point of the Lewis article and how something like that comes to fruition; that post of mine btw, you never responded to.

If I didn’t know better, I’d think there was some type of animus you’re carrying over here from the OTB regarding my approach to life 😃. If you’re looking for a dance partner for a pissing contest, you won’t find one here anymore, steady streaming is the purview of men younger and healthier than me.

I am here for 💩 and giggles, sports conviviality and the occasional too smart azz comment, which hopefully I’ll outgrow at some point, as I’m just another sinner, whose trying to sin less.

I truly enjoy your posting regarding pro football, whether we see 👁️ to 👁️, on a certain topic or not, which I do the majority of the time.


And honestly I always thought they were going to be better next year than this year.
 
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I don't think he can accept or decline a franchise tag. If the team applies it, that's what it is. He can holdout for something else but he can't turn it down and become an unrestricted free agent.

I also saw it is projected a franchise tag would be over $40M for him.
He can't decline it, but they can agree not to franchise him in the contract. I'm not sure that was done in this case.
 

He can't decline it, but they can agree not to franchise him in the contract. I'm not sure that was done in this case.
Correct. That would be something the Vikings would know ahead of time so wouldn't even try to put the tag on him then.
 

I never did, did I? Since this part of your post was directed to me, I am responding directly back to you bro.

I’m the one who posted the article, about how incredible it was to find Redmond, which was the point of the Lewis article and how something like that comes to fruition; that post of mine btw, you never responded to.

Something's gotta give here; either I have to stop responding to your posts with general off-the-top-of-my-head comments or you have to stop responding to those posts as though everything in it is attacking you. Either I'm just not clear enough or you're incredibly defensive, possibly both.

If I attack your opinion, you'll probably know it; my comments on here about the Vikings and the Front Office, Kwesi, et al are essentially 99.99% general comments, speaking to what seems to be an inordinate amount of people who just can't seem to stand KAM for whatever reason.
 


Something's gotta give here; either I have to stop responding to your posts with general off-the-top-of-my-head comments or you have to stop responding to those posts as though everything in it is attacking you. Either I'm just not clear enough or you're incredibly defensive, possibly both.

If I attack your opinion, you'll probably know it; my comments on here about the Vikings and the Front Office, Kwesi, et al are essentially 99.99% general comments, speaking to what seems to be an inordinate amount of people who just can't seem to stand KAM for whatever reason.
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I’ll just put you back on ignore Durango Kid, so I don’t have to subject myself to your general comments🤣 responses to my specific Positive Posts or your comments regarding me in threads (Perry Acquittal) I don’t even post in🤪.

May God Bless you and yours during this Holiday Season✌️.
 
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