All Things 2022 Minnesota Vikings Off-Season Thread

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GophersInIowa said:
I just think it's a slap in the face to the fans. Maybe not as big of a deal now that there's 17 games but prior to last year there were only 8 home games per team. Taking away 1 home game is like taking away over 10 home games in baseball.
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To be fair, I think they put together some sort of discounted package for fans who want to make the trip to London. I'm sure not a large % due, but on a one-off it might be fun. In any event, I think the Vikings have been the road team the last two times they went. They might have been the home team when they played Pittsburgh, but they were in TCF at the time IIRC.
 

just in case you didn't know - and I sure didn't - the Vikings have a league-sponsored marketing deal that includes Great Britain.

from the Strib:

The NFL announced last December the Vikings would become one of six teams — along with the Bears, Dolphins, Jaguars, Jets and 49ers — with home marketing area access to the United Kingdom, as the league rolled out a program to expand its international reach. The Vikings engaged in a number of marketing efforts before their 2013 game in London, sending players like Harrison Smith, Kyle Rudolph and John Sullivan to the country in the offseason before the game and spending most of the week just outside London before the game at Wembley.

"We are thrilled to once again represent the NFL on a global level and to have an opportunity to play in front of our international fans," Vikings co-owner Mark Wilf said in a statement. "With our previous London games in 2013 and 2017 and our successful 2021 bid to land the United Kingdom as an international home marketing area, we have seen tremendous international support. This is another chance to directly engage with Vikings fans across the world and bring exposure to Minnesota's impressive business community and tourism industry."

The Vikings and Seahawks also got home marketing area rights to Canada as part of the deal, while four teams (the Panthers, Chiefs, Buccaneers and Patriots) got access to Germany and the Rams got access to China.
 

GophersInIowa said:
I just think it's a slap in the face to the fans. Maybe not as big of a deal now that there's 17 games but prior to last year there were only 8 home games per team. Taking away 1 home game is like taking away over 10 home games in baseball.
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Crazy that teams sign up for it if they have intentions of going to playoffs
 

So we have nine home games this year, right?

We got shipped out to LA (Chargers) for the new 17th last year.
 

howeda7 said:
To be fair, I think they put together some sort of discounted package for fans who want to make the trip to London. I'm sure not a large % due, but on a one-off it might be fun. In any event, I think the Vikings have been the road team the last two times they went. They might have been the home team when they played Pittsburgh, but they were in TCF at the time IIRC.
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Was it like the sweet deal the Gopher athletic dept offered for the Phoenix bowl game last season??

What did they call it, something like a "Land travel package" or some BS like that? Didn't even include airfare. :sneaky:
 


short ornery norwegian said:
just in case you didn't know - and I sure didn't - the Vikings have a league-sponsored marketing deal that includes Great Britain.

from the Strib:

The NFL announced last December the Vikings would become one of six teams — along with the Bears, Dolphins, Jaguars, Jets and 49ers — with home marketing area access to the United Kingdom, as the league rolled out a program to expand its international reach. The Vikings engaged in a number of marketing efforts before their 2013 game in London, sending players like Harrison Smith, Kyle Rudolph and John Sullivan to the country in the offseason before the game and spending most of the week just outside London before the game at Wembley.

"We are thrilled to once again represent the NFL on a global level and to have an opportunity to play in front of our international fans," Vikings co-owner Mark Wilf said in a statement. "With our previous London games in 2013 and 2017 and our successful 2021 bid to land the United Kingdom as an international home marketing area, we have seen tremendous international support. This is another chance to directly engage with Vikings fans across the world and bring exposure to Minnesota's impressive business community and tourism industry."

The Vikings and Seahawks also got home marketing area rights to Canada as part of the deal, while four teams (the Panthers, Chiefs, Buccaneers and Patriots) got access to Germany and the Rams got access to China.
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Fun trivia:

- "Great Britain" is a geographical term. It's the name of the island where most UK citizens reside, the largest of the British Isles.
- "United Kingdom" is a political term, and is the name of the country.
 

Where's the lie?

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...s-among-franchise-guys-placeholders-and-more/

2022 NFL quarterback tiers: Here's where your team's starter fits among franchise guys, placeholders and more ​

Tier 1: Bona Fide Franchise QBs​

2021: Patrick Mahomes, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Russell Wilson, Justin Herbert, Deshaun Watson
2022: Mahomes, Brady, Rodgers, Jackson, Allen, Wilson, Herbert, Joe Burrow, Matt Stafford

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Tier 4: You Can Win With Them​

2021: Derek Carr, Kirk Cousins, Ryan Fitzptrick, Carson Wentz
2022: Carr, Cousins, Tannehill, Prescott, Murray, Jameis Winston, Jalen Hurts, Mac Jones, Tua Tagovailoa
 


Always love the release of the NFL schedule!! Almost like Christmas time all over again, gotta love it.
 




JimmyJamesMD said:
Crazy that teams sign up for it if they have intentions of going to playoffs.
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howeda7 said:
To be fair, I think they put together some sort of discounted package for fans who want to make the trip to London. I'm sure not a large % due, but on a one-off it might be fun. In any event, I think the Vikings have been the road team the last two times they went. They might have been the home team when they played Pittsburgh, but they were in TCF at the time IIRC.
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Other than Jacksonville (or teams remodeling/transitioning from stadiums) I don't think any franchise jumps or "signs up" for giving up a road game. However, they have to take their turn and are well compensated, I am sure.

It used to be a requirement for any team that hosting a Super Bowl (which the Vikings did as well as having to be relocated for 2 years at TCF).

Now every team has to do it at least once every 8 years.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

Bids to host Super Bowl will no longer include agreeing to host an overseas game

For years, one of the ways the NFL got teams to agree to give up a home game and host an overseas game was to tie that requirement to hosting the Super Bowl: If you wanted to have a Super Bowl in your home stadium, you had to agree that you'd be the designated "home" team in a London or Mexico City…
profootballtalk.nbcsports.com profootballtalk.nbcsports.com
 

off-topic here, but just found out something I didn't know.

I was reading about the AFL-NFL merger. going into the 1970 season, the teams were re-organizing into one combined league with a National Conference and an American Conference. as part of the re-organization, each Conference would be divided into 3 Divisions.

and here is where it gets interesting.

the NFC had a lot of trouble deciding which teams would be in each division. there were five different options being considered. In the end, they typed up each option, put it in an envelope, put the 5 envelopes in a fish bowl, and Pete Rozelle's secretary drew out an envelope to settle the matter.

the option that was chosen had the Vikings in the Central Division.

BUT - the other four options all had the Vikings in the East Division. if the secretary had drawn out any of the other four envelopes, the Vikes would have been in the East. that would certainly have changed things.

if you want the whole story, go to the Wikipedia entry for "AFL-NFL merger."
 

short ornery norwegian said:
off-topic here, but just found out something I didn't know.

I was reading about the AFL-NFL merger. going into the 1970 season, the teams were re-organizing into one combined league with a National Conference and an American Conference. as part of the re-organization, each Conference would be divided into 3 Divisions.

and here is where it gets interesting.

the NFC had a lot of trouble deciding which teams would be in each division. there were five different options being considered. In the end, they typed up each option, put it in an envelope, put the 5 envelopes in a fish bowl, and Pete Rozelle's secretary drew out an envelope to settle the matter.

the option that was chosen had the Vikings in the Central Division.

BUT - the other four options all had the Vikings in the East Division. if the secretary had drawn out any of the other four envelopes, the Vikes would have been in the East. that would certainly have changed things.

if you want the whole story, go to the Wikipedia entry for "AFL-NFL merger."
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Awesome thx for sharing
 



short ornery norwegian said:
off-topic here, but just found out something I didn't know.

I was reading about the AFL-NFL merger. going into the 1970 season, the teams were re-organizing into one combined league with a National Conference and an American Conference. as part of the re-organization, each Conference would be divided into 3 Divisions.

and here is where it gets interesting.

the NFC had a lot of trouble deciding which teams would be in each division. there were five different options being considered. In the end, they typed up each option, put it in an envelope, put the 5 envelopes in a fish bowl, and Pete Rozelle's secretary drew out an envelope to settle the matter.

the option that was chosen had the Vikings in the Central Division.

BUT - the other four options all had the Vikings in the East Division. if the secretary had drawn out any of the other four envelopes, the Vikes would have been in the East. that would certainly have changed things.

if you want the whole story, go to the Wikipedia entry for "AFL-NFL merger."
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Here were the plans:

PLAN 1: East: NYG, PHI, WAS, ATL, MIN; Central: CHI, GB, DET, NO; West: LA, SF, DAL, STL.

PLAN 2: East: NYG, PHI, WAS, MIN; Central: ATL, DAL, NO, STL; West: LA, SF, CHI, GB, DET.

PLAN 3: East: NYG, PHI, WAS, DAL, STL: Central: CHI, GB, DET, MIN; West: LA, SF, ATL, NO.

PLAN 4: East: NYG, PHI, WAS, STL, MIN; Central: CHI, GB, DET, ATL; West: LA, SF, DAL, NO.

PLAN 5: East: NYG, PHI, WAS, DET, MIN; Central: CHI, GB, DAL, STL; West: LA, SF, ATL, NO.

Luckily, Thelma Elkjer picked plan 3.
 

Would've been absurd not to keep the Vikings with their NFL Central rivals and not to keep the Cowboys with their NFL Capitol rivals.
 

Gophers_4life said:
Would've been absurd not to keep the Vikings with their NFL Central rivals and not to keep the Cowboys with their NFL Capitol rivals.
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then again, the NFC had only been using a 4-division setup for 3 seasons, starting in '67.

with the AFL-NFL merger, three teams moved from the NFC to the AFC, creating two Conferences with 13 teams each. that was why they went from 4 divisions to 3 divisions. (there had been 16 teams in the old NFL and 10 in the AFL).

so the 'Central' division had only been around for 3 years. it's not like they had years of tradition keeping them together.
 

short ornery norwegian said:
then again, the NFC had only been using a 4-division setup for 3 seasons, starting in '67.

with the AFL-NFL merger, three teams moved from the NFC to the AFC, creating two Conferences with 13 teams each. that was why they went from 4 divisions to 3 divisions. (there had been 16 teams in the old NFL and 10 in the AFL).

so the 'Central' division had only been around for 3 years. it's not like they had years of tradition keeping them together.
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True, but since 1961 the Vikings had been in the West with the Packers, Bears, and Lions, while the Cowboys had been in the East with Washington, Eagles, and Giants.

To your point, at that time it wasn't that many years and they could've started over, I suppose. But looking back today, I'm glad they stuck together.
 


in recent days there have been several stories with comments from offensive players about the new system. Kirk Cousins talking about using Flash Cards to try and get the new plays down. Thielen said he's never had to learn so much new material before.

So, whatever they're doing, it's going to be different.

On Cook, I could definitely see them lining up with Cook at TB, then shifting to an empty set with Cook flanked out in the slot, and then putting Jefferson in motion.

this will not be a Kubiak offense!
 

short ornery norwegian said:
this will not be a Kubiak offense!
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Not really true. Mike Shanahan's main OC was Gary Kubiak. McVey is a Kyle Shanahan disciple and so is O'Connell. They're not that different really. Just more "modern" I suppose. Klint Kubiak was in a bit over his head though.
 





Nax5 said:
He might play again. But I doubt he plays a down for the Browns this season. What a colossal mistake that admin made.
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On the contrary, I think the Browns (and Watson) expected a lost 2022 season, that's why his cap number is so low for 2022.

Also, that's why Baker Mayfield wasn't traded.
 

If you aren't being charged with a crime, I think the NFL will consider it to be "none of our business".

Doubt many Browns fans would sell their season tickets over it.
 

If you're being extremely generous to Watson, at the very least, the dude appears to be a massive sleazeball. I haven't read all the accusations lobbied against him, but there is a fine line between being a creep and doing something illegal when you start asking for things in a certain way and/or start pulling your junk out. It sure seems he is walking that fine line, and luckily for him, there doesn't appear to be any concrete proof he committed sexual assault. But good grief there is a lot of smoke. This isn't a dude that just made a bad decision and should be allowed to pay for his crime and come back, hopefully learning something in the process. He sure appears to be a creep who is permanently a creep. But as we have learned over and over, talent and money talk, so he will play again.

It appears to be pretty damning that the Texans gave him an NDA to give to people to sign well before the accusations came out. They knew to some degree he was a creep and lawyered up instead of doing something. That's not a good look.
 

Ski U Mah Gopher said:
On the contrary, I think the Browns (and Watson) expected a lost 2022 season, that's why his cap number is so low for 2022.

Also, that's why Baker Mayfield wasn't traded.
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They knew it was a possibility, but you don't trade as much as they did if you know he's out for 2022 and best-case comes back in 2023 having not thrown a regular season pass in 2.5 years.
 

On Watson - a new accuser has come forward and she was not part of any previous investigation or agreement. This case keeps dropping new shoes like a centipede. I would be surprised if Watson plays this season.
 


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