All Things 2022 Minnesota Vikings Off-Season Thread

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was reading an interesting article the other day.

the writer was saying that the Rams under McVay almost never used their starters in pre-season games. apparently Stafford didn't play at all, or only took a handful of snaps.

so, the question is, will O'Connell follow that philosophy, or will he use his starters more in the pre-season.

for a team with a completely new coaching staff, new offensive system, and switching to a completely new scheme on defense, I would think you would almost have to use the starters a little bit in pre-season.

It would make me very nervous to go into the 1st regular-season game and have little or no idea what the team is going to look like under game conditions.
 

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was reading an interesting article the other day.

the writer was saying that the Rams under McVay almost never used their starters in pre-season games. apparently Stafford didn't play at all, or only took a handful of snaps.

so, the question is, will O'Connell follow that philosophy, or will he use his starters more in the pre-season.

for a team with a completely new coaching staff, new offensive system, and switching to a completely new scheme on defense, I would think you would almost have to use the starters a little bit in pre-season.

It would make me very nervous to go into the 1st regular-season game and have little or no idea what the team is going to look like under game conditions.
Given you get the Packers week 1, it would be very unwise not to give the starters at least one preseason game with significant time. I think it is more likely that they would only play that one game though.
 



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More, clearly Vikings related, NFL news headlines:

Attorney Tony Buzbee says 20 of 24 lawsuits filed against Cleveland Browns QB Deshaun Watson settled

 


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See, Baker clearly knows Watson will be starting for the Browns in 2022!

Offer him backup money!
 

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See, Baker clearly knows Watson will be starting for the Browns in 2022!

Offer him backup money!

Watson is going to get a long suspension from the NFL. the NFL came out and said that the legal issues are separate from the league's own investigation and disciplinary policy.

so even if Watson settles every outstanding case before the season, the NFL could still hand him an 8-game suspension or longer.

that puts the Browns into a real bind. they can't make any firm plans until they know who is going to be their QB. and that's why they can't completely cut ties with Mayfield - at least not yet.
 

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I don't see it (my opinion). No criminal charges.

People will say "she just wants money".


If it's civil, an argument could well be made that it's none of the NFL's business. Unless there are going to be massive boycotts. But I don't see that.

Unless a secret video comes out, it's not enough.
 

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OMG!!!!!!!!

according to TMZ, Adrian Peterson and Le'Veon Bell are in talks on potentially having a boxing match at Crypto.Com Arena next month.

the card would also feature ex-NBA player Nick Young against rapper 'Blueface.'

I have never done pay-per-view for a boxing match in my life, but for this one, I might be tempted.
 



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I don't see it (my opinion). No criminal charges.

People will say "she just wants money".


If it's civil, an argument could well be made that it's none of the NFL's business. Unless there are going to be massive boycotts. But I don't see that.

Unless a secret video comes out, it's not enough.
Per Dan Patrick, it sounds like the NFL is going to hammer the Texans for their role in helping DeShaun procure these "services" and cover up the aftermath.
 

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Per Dan Patrick, it sounds like the NFL is going to hammer the Texans for their role in helping DeShaun procure these "services" and cover up the aftermath.
OK. I guess I could believe that.

But that's not going to touch Watson himself or the Browns.
 

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OK. I guess I could believe that.

But that's not going to touch Watson himself or the Browns.

I admit I am not following this 24/7. But everything I have read about this on ESPN and other sites is strongly predicting that Watson will receive some type of discipline from the league.

Watson does not have to be convicted of anything. He can be suspended simply for "improper conduct" or violating the league's policies on player behavior.

don't want to get political, but this is the age of "Me Too" and Watson has been accused of bad behavior by over 20 women. The NFL is not going to let him walk. they will do something. the question is how long of a suspension Watson will receive.
 

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I admit I am not following this 24/7. But everything I have read about this on ESPN and other sites is strongly predicting that Watson will receive some type of discipline from the league.

Watson does not have to be convicted of anything. He can be suspended simply for "improper conduct" or violating the league's policies on player behavior.

don't want to get political, but this is the age of "Me Too" and Watson has been accused of bad behavior by over 20 women. The NFL is not going to let him walk. they will do something. the question is how long of a suspension Watson will receive.
Stories are clickbait. If they think their audience wants him to be suspended, then that's what they'll write "strongly predicting" from "sources". It's a "tell you want you want to read" world.

When the NFL announces that it's a 2 game suspension, or a fine only, or whatever, they can just claim they're "surprised and shocked", etc.
 



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Also I find it somewhat disheartening that because 20 people jumped on a bandwagon of wanting free money, while each having zero proof that a thing occurred other than they said so, well we just do guilty until proven innocent.
 

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Stories are clickbait. If they think their audience wants him to be suspended, then that's what they'll write "strongly predicting" from "sources". It's a "tell you want you want to read" world.

When the NFL announces that it's a 2 game suspension, or a fine only, or whatever, they can just claim they're "surprised and shocked", etc.

well, this is on the ESPN website today. this is what's being reported, including that the NFL is calling for a full-season suspension.

ESPN's Adam Schefter reported over the weekend that Watson's hearing before the NFL and NFL Players Association's jointly appointed disciplinary officer, Sue L. Robinson, is scheduled to begin Tuesday. Robinson will listen as the NFL expects to push for a "lengthy" suspension for Watson, according to Schefter. Once Robinson rules, Watson will have the option to appeal. NFL commissioner Roger Goodell then could either rule on that appeal or call on an independent ruler.

The NFL, Watson and the NFLPA engaged in settlement talks that would have averted a hearing, but they were unable to reach a settlement. One source told ESPN's Dan Graziano that in those talks the league would never move off of its position that the suspension should be for a full season.
 


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I admit I am not following this 24/7. But everything I have read about this on ESPN and other sites is strongly predicting that Watson will receive some type of discipline from the league.

Watson does not have to be convicted of anything. He can be suspended simply for "improper conduct" or violating the league's policies on player behavior.

don't want to get political, but this is the age of "Me Too" and Watson has been accused of bad behavior by over 20 women. The NFL is not going to let him walk. they will do something. the question is how long of a suspension Watson will receive.

Adam Pac-Man Jones was disciplined under the above mentioned clause IIRC.
 


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well, this is on the ESPN website today. this is what's being reported, including that the NFL is calling for a full-season suspension.

ESPN's Adam Schefter reported over the weekend that Watson's hearing before the NFL and NFL Players Association's jointly appointed disciplinary officer, Sue L. Robinson, is scheduled to begin Tuesday. Robinson will listen as the NFL expects to push for a "lengthy" suspension for Watson, according to Schefter. Once Robinson rules, Watson will have the option to appeal. NFL commissioner Roger Goodell then could either rule on that appeal or call on an independent ruler.

The NFL, Watson and the NFLPA engaged in settlement talks that would have averted a hearing, but they were unable to reach a settlement. One source told ESPN's Dan Graziano that in those talks the league would never move off of its position that the suspension should be for a full season.
What you post here exactly aligns with what I said.

Amazingly, somehow, a “source” “close” to the story, says the thing that allows them to write the article that they think their audience wants to hear.

If right, great. If wrong, they can just be “shocked/surprised”.
 



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The Vikings will trade him, not pay him.
The Vikings probably have a history of being too loyal (generous) to their players. I can't think of a player we lost because we were cheap. That said, it'll be interesting to see what we do in a couple of years when Jefferson is due.
 

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The Vikings probably have a history of being too loyal (generous) to their players. I can't think of a player we lost because we were cheap. That said, it'll be interesting to see what we do in a couple of years when Jefferson is due.
That was under the old regime.
 


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Baker traded to the Panthers.

Means Watson is going to play for the Browns.
 


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Watson will get 6-8 games, and people will be furious for a week or two.

And then NFL training camps will crank up and it will be mostly forgotten about
I'll say again: if there are no criminal charges, then the NFL has no business handing out suspensions or fines.

That's why we have civil court in this country, with its lower burden of proof. They (the alleged injured) can find their remediation there, along with the obvious outcome of smearing his reputation in the court of public opinion where you're guilty until ... well who cares at that point because it won't get printed.
 

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I'll say again: if there are no criminal charges, then the NFL has no business handing out suspensions or fines.

That's why we have civil court in this country, with its lower burden of proof. They (the alleged injured) can find their remediation there, along with the obvious outcome of smearing his reputation in the court of public opinion where you're guilty until ... well who cares at that point because it won't get printed.
The NFL's player conduct code is not a court of law, and they can use any standard they want (subject to the CBA). If they want to suspend Watson for a season, they can. But Watson has the right to appeal.
 

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The NFL's player conduct code is not a court of law, and they can use any standard they want (subject to the CBA). If they want to suspend Watson for a season, they can. But Watson has the right to appeal.

but, under the NFL disciplinary system, the Commissioner has the final say. So, the case was heard before a 3rd-party arbitrator who will issue a ruling. But if Goodell doesn't like that ruling, he can over-ride it.

so I will be very, very surprised if Watson doesn't wind up drawing a significant suspension - at least half a season if not more.

and before anyone says it's not fair - blame the NFL Players Association. they always let the league walk all over them in contract negotiations. the MLB players association would never agree to anything like that.
 

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The NFL's player conduct code is not a court of law, and they can use any standard they want (subject to the CBA). If they want to suspend Watson for a season, they can. But Watson has the right to appeal.
I didn't say that they can't. Of course they can, at least within whatever constraints that the NFL and NFLPA have agreed to.

I said they shouldn't.
 




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