All Things 2022 Minnesota Twins In-Season Thread

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short ornery norwegian said:
saw a report that the Twins were talking to Story about a shorter contract with a higher Average Annual Value. (AAV)

In other words, the same general type of deal that Correa signed.

It allows both sides to keep their options open without being tied into a long-term deal.

Twins get the year to evaluate Lewis and Martin at SS. Correa can opt out after one year and become a free agent again - OR, if the Twins know he's planning to leave, they can trade him at the deadline and pick up some prospects or established players in return.

I think this is more likely to be the direction going forward - not getting tied into long-term contracts, with a few exceptions.
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Falvey and Levine have done a good job in not getting the Twins into bad long term contracts, which I think is the right strategy. Donaldson's 4 year deal was applauded at the time by most, then two years later most of the same people were happy to see him go.

Buxton's new contract made a lot of sense, and the Correa one does too based on the prospects you mention. Correa is a bit of an injury risk, but when he's healthy he's the best SS in the game. The Twins now have the best defensive CF and SS in baseball. That will help the pitching staff out a lot.
 

howeda7 said:
Twins-Rays on BS North. Not much offense so far. And listening to Dazzle do PBP is painful.
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I don’t have cable after the college BB/hockey season, so I listen to about 75% of the Twins games on the radio. I love Dazzle as the color guy. He’s like your slightly irresponsible uncle that is fun to hang out with, but boy are you glad he isn’t your dad. When he’s doing play-by-play, he’s like an overly excited border collie who is just bouncing all over the place. He gets sidetracked into stories of his playing days and you get maybe 50% of the actual action.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
I actually think the Favre signing turned out to be biggest signing by a long shot. There is not a position any bigger in any sport than QB, and we signed a HOF QB who probably had his best statistical season of his career. At the time of the signing, I thought we signed an upgrade but he was probably a bit washed up (had a very avg season with the Jets). In 2009, Brett Favre had a higher completion percentage and better TD/INT ration than any of his MVP seasons (and more yards than 2/3 of his MVP seasons). We not only signed a HOF QB, but we got (arguably) his best statistical season. I don't know if you could have a bigger impact signing than that.
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In hindsight and by that criteria absolutely.
 

Gophers1992 said:
In hindsight and by that criteria absolutely.
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Yeah, in hindsight 100%.

Going into the signing, I thought we signed an aging QB but it was a fun story. It was also AP's prime and it felt like a good QB made us contenders.

I can't think of another time a MN team signed a superstar in their prime.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
Yeah, in hindsight 100%.

Going into the signing, I thought we signed an aging QB but it was a fun story. It was also AP's prime and it felt like a good QB made us contenders.

I can't think of another time a MN team signed a superstar in their prime.
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Ryan Suter would be the other. His game doesn't stand out as much to others but he was an elite d-man at the time of signing. Parise was a start, probably not a superstar.

That's about it for my lifetime.
 


Gophers1992 said:
Ryan Suter would be the other. His game doesn't stand out as much to others but he was an elite d-man at the time of signing. Parise was a start, probably not a superstar.

That's about it for my lifetime.
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Good call. I forgot about the Suter and Parise signings and I don't follow the NHL enough to know where they stacked against Correa. But I remember them being a big deal.

Maybe Steve Hutchinson? Obviously that wouldn't be as big as Correa, but he was a young All-Pro when we signed him.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
Good call. I forgot about the Suter and Parise signings and I don't follow the NHL enough to know where they stacked against Correa. But I remember them being a big deal.

Maybe Steve Hutchinson? Obviously that wouldn't be as big as Correa, but he was a young All-Pro when we signed him.
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Agreed with that one, forgot about Hutch. Not sexy as a guard, but he's an HOFer as well.
 


short ornery norwegian said:
saw a report that the Twins were talking to Story about a shorter contract with a higher Average Annual Value. (AAV)

In other words, the same general type of deal that Correa signed.

It allows both sides to keep their options open without being tied into a long-term deal.

Twins get the year to evaluate Lewis and Martin at SS. Correa can opt out after one year and become a free agent again - OR, if the Twins know he's planning to leave, they can trade him at the deadline and pick up some prospects or established players in return.

I think this is more likely to be the direction going forward - not getting tied into long-term contracts, with a few exceptions.
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If fhey want Montas they might have to trade Royce Lewis. Which would be fine if you had Story/Correa locked in for 3 + years. Now, trading him would be very costly.
 



Bob_Loblaw said:
Yeah, in hindsight 100%.

Going into the signing, I thought we signed an aging QB but it was a fun story. It was also AP's prime and it felt like a good QB made us contenders.

I can't think of another time a MN team signed a superstar in their prime.
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Jack Morris was considered probably the best pitcher of the 80s when the Twins signed him in '91. It worked out pretty well.
 

Ope3 said:
Jack Morris was considered probably the best pitcher of the 80s when the Twins signed him in '91. It worked out pretty well.
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Yeah, the Favre signing reminds me a lot of the Jack Morris signing. Both HOFers on the tail end of their careers. Both worked out way better than we could have imagined.
 

was watching Sunday's game. the highlight was seeing Ralph Garza Jr throw up behind the mound. Apparently he was sick.

we have seen many Twins' relief pitchers who puked up games in a figurative sense. and now we saw one do it in a literal sense.
 




forever a gopher said:
I don’t have cable after the college BB/hockey season, so I listen to about 75% of the Twins games on the radio. I love Dazzle as the color guy. He’s like your slightly irresponsible uncle that is fun to hang out with, but boy are you glad he isn’t your dad. When he’s doing play-by-play, he’s like an overly excited border collie who is just bouncing all over the place. He gets sidetracked into stories of his playing days and you get maybe 50% of the actual action.
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I'm going to be honest, I've been on GH for a few years and never once clicked into the OT or Other Sports column. This might be my favorite post of all time! HA So incredibly spot on, I absolutely love the Dazzle man. He just gets so upset with certain things, feels like he wants to slap Provus once in a while and always gets off track on his stories. He is also the reason i would love to have a broadcast without censorship, he would be just like Harry Doyle a lot I think! You cant say that on the air! "ohh who gives a $#!T, no ones listening anyway!" He's the only reason i have been able to bare no stupid Bally's the last 2-3 years.
 

Ope3 said:
Jack Morris was considered probably the best pitcher of the 80s when the Twins signed him in '91. It worked out pretty well.
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Reusse brought him up on his podcast today. He also had a 3 year deal with an opt out. And even after wining the World Series, he opted out and went to Toronto. I forgot that. Thought it was just a 1 year deal. I can't believe there wasn't more outrage about it.
 


howeda7 said:
Reusse brought him up on his podcast today. He also had a 3 year deal with an opt out. And even after wining the World Series, he opted out and went to Toronto. I forgot that. Thought it was just a 1 year deal. I can't believe there wasn't more outrage about it.
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It would have been interesting had he stuck around, maybe they wouldn't have collapsed down the stretch in 1992.

While I personally was bummed he left, delivering in Game 7 was enough for me to think he earned the right to get as much as possible. Tough to argue his choice, winning again with Molitor & Winfield with the Jays.
 



Ope3 said:
It would have been interesting had he stuck around, maybe they wouldn't have collapsed down the stretch in 1992.

While I personally was bummed he left, delivering in Game 7 was enough for me to think he earned the right to get as much as possible. Tough to argue his choice, winning again with Molitor & Winfield with the Jays.
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They traded for John Smiley to replace him. And he was probably just as good, even if he hated it in MN.
 

GophersInIowa said:
It's now officially official

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They had a little story about numbers in the Strib today. Larnach voluntarily gave #24 to Sanchez. Larnach now wears #13. Correa said he didn't want #1, as this was a "new chapter", so Gordon keeps it. However, Correa took #4 away from Lewis, who will now wear #23. No word on if Correa purchased the number from Royce or not.
 

howeda7 said:
They traded for John Smiley to replace him. And he was probably just as good, even if he hated it in MN.
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I completely forgot Smiley pitched that season for the Twins. He had a good year.
 



Breakin' The Plane said:
Oh, I'm sure. It used to be the price for someone's number used to be a case of beer. Now, it's a new car, at minimum.
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He's the agent for both of them. Speaking of which, that means we get Royce for 6 years, max.
 



GophersInIowa said:
I completely forgot Smiley pitched that season for the Twins. He had a good year.
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Had to look it up on baseball reference. Got me looking at some of those years and then specifically Shane Mack's numbers. He was so underrated. I don't know why he didn't get more opportunities. He has a career OPS higher than guys like Paul Molitor and Rickey Henderson. Not saying he was as good as them but he sure was a damn good hitter.

I have to wonder why he went to Japan for two years after his time with the Twins.
 

GophersInIowa said:
Had to look it up on baseball reference. Got me looking at some of those years and then specifically Shane Mack's numbers. He was so underrated. I don't know why he didn't get more opportunities. He has a career OPS higher than guys like Paul Molitor and Rickey Henderson. Not saying he was as good as them but he sure was a damn good hitter.

I have to wonder why he went to Japan for two years after his time with the Twins.
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Injuries, timing and money.

"Between his surgery recovery and the strike, Mack played just 81 of 113 games in 1994, but at the time his .965 OPS was fourth-best in Twins history behind MVP-winning seasons from Harmon Killebrew (1969) and Rod Carew (1977), plus another MVP-caliber Killebrew (1961) campaign. Even now, nearly three decades later, it still ranks in the top 10.

Mack was a free agent after the 1994 season and should have been in line for a nice payday, the first of his career at age 31, but instead he hit the open market at the worst possible time. As the work stoppage continued all offseason, some free agents pondered other options. Julio Franco, who was coming off a top-10 MVP finish in 1994, headed to Japan for a one-year, $3.5 million deal.

Mack decided in January to sign a two-year, $8.1 million deal with the Yomiuri Giants. Not only was it the biggest contract in Japanese baseball history, it was $1.4 million above what the Twins were offering and not far off Puckett’s then-huge $5.3 million annual salary. It was massive money for a non-superstar and, given his bumpy career path, it’s tough to blame Mack for taking it."

theathletic.com

The most underrated Minnesota Twins of all time: Shane Mack, the Rule 5 pick who became a star

For five seasons, Mack went hit-for-hit with Kirby Puckett in the Twins' outfield, ranking among baseball's best all-around players.
theathletic.com theathletic.com
 

Iceland12 said:
Injuries, timing and money.

"Between his surgery recovery and the strike, Mack played just 81 of 113 games in 1994, but at the time his .965 OPS was fourth-best in Twins history behind MVP-winning seasons from Harmon Killebrew (1969) and Rod Carew (1977), plus another MVP-caliber Killebrew (1961) campaign. Even now, nearly three decades later, it still ranks in the top 10.

Mack was a free agent after the 1994 season and should have been in line for a nice payday, the first of his career at age 31, but instead he hit the open market at the worst possible time. As the work stoppage continued all offseason, some free agents pondered other options. Julio Franco, who was coming off a top-10 MVP finish in 1994, headed to Japan for a one-year, $3.5 million deal.

Mack decided in January to sign a two-year, $8.1 million deal with the Yomiuri Giants. Not only was it the biggest contract in Japanese baseball history, it was $1.4 million above what the Twins were offering and not far off Puckett’s then-huge $5.3 million annual salary. It was massive money for a non-superstar and, given his bumpy career path, it’s tough to blame Mack for taking it."

theathletic.com

The most underrated Minnesota Twins of all time: Shane Mack, the Rule 5 pick who became a star

For five seasons, Mack went hit-for-hit with Kirby Puckett in the Twins' outfield, ranking among baseball's best all-around players.
theathletic.com theathletic.com
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Thanks for the info!
 

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