All Things 2022 Minnesota Twins In-Season Thread

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This team will never be great again. Not until we reverse the curse and resign Lew Ford.
 


coolhandgopher said:
I can’t help but chuckle at the comments (here and elsewhere) that still can’t acknowledge how extraordinary this move, in the context of the entire off-season for the Twins, has been.

Whether it turns out to be one year or more, this is the biggest free agent signing in MN sports history (perhaps Wild fans will dispute, with the Parise and Suter signings). Correa is not Jack Morris, Kirk Cousins, Josh Donaldson-he is 27 years old with a proven track record and widely considered to be the best shortstop in the game. I can’t see it as any other than a brilliant move on the Twins behalf. Here are the scenarios that seem to be in play:
1. Correa has a solid to spectacular year which likely leads to a successful season for the Twins. He opts out and is replaced by Lewis or Martin after they have another year of seasoning in the minors.
2. The Twins season doesn’t go as hoped and as the trade deadline approaches, Correa is sitting there as a prime target who would garner a huge return in prospects and possibly MLB starter(s) for the team to gear up for 2023.
3. Maybe Correa loves it here and chooses to opt in next year or for the entirety of his contract—I see this as the most unlikely of scenarios, as I really expect one season of Correa especially with Scott Boras as his agent, but one can dream.

I also think the Twins regime deserves a tip of the cap for not just this move but everything since signing Buxton to an extension. Each big move (Buxton, Gray trade, Donaldson trade, and Correa signing) has been a ballsy move that this fan base has bemoaned my whole life as something lacking in those offices. It doesn’t seem as if they are done either. Today is a day worth celebrating and feeling exuberant.
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Twins Twitter is really hilarious. Some people are just never happy.
 


coolhandgopher said:
I can’t help but chuckle at the comments (here and elsewhere) that still can’t acknowledge how extraordinary this move, in the context of the entire off-season for the Twins, has been.

Whether it turns out to be one year or more, this is the biggest free agent signing in MN sports history (perhaps Wild fans will dispute, with the Parise and Suter signings). Correa is not Jack Morris, Kirk Cousins, Josh Donaldson-he is 27 years old with a proven track record and widely considered to be the best shortstop in the game. I can’t see it as any other than a brilliant move on the Twins behalf. Here are the scenarios that seem to be in play:
1. Correa has a solid to spectacular year which likely leads to a successful season for the Twins. He opts out and is replaced by Lewis or Martin after they have another year of seasoning in the minors.
2. The Twins season doesn’t go as hoped and as the trade deadline approaches, Correa is sitting there as a prime target who would garner a huge return in prospects and possibly MLB starter(s) for the team to gear up for 2023.
3. Maybe Correa loves it here and chooses to opt in next year or for the entirety of his contract—I see this as the most unlikely of scenarios, as I really expect one season of Correa especially with Scott Boras as his agent, but one can dream.

I also think the Twins regime deserves a tip of the cap for not just this move but everything since signing Buxton to an extension. Each big move (Buxton, Gray trade, Donaldson trade, and Correa signing) has been a ballsy move that this fan base has bemoaned my whole life as something lacking in those offices. It doesn’t seem as if they are done either. Today is a day worth celebrating and feeling exuberant.
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Biggest FA signing in MN history? No. Not close. Brett Farve says hi.
 


howeda7 said:
Biggest FA signing in MN history? No. Not close. Brett Farve says hi.
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Depends on how you measure it. Favre was a bigger news story, but Correa is a higher calier player at this point than Favre was at that time (or arguably ever was).

Now the twins ae unlikely to win as much as the vikings did that year, so it's unlikely this goes down as being equally as memorable, but it's not crazy to call this the biggest FA signing in MN history.
 

Gophers1992 said:
Depends on how you measure it. Favre was a bigger news story, but Correa is a higher calier player at this point than Favre was at that time (or arguably ever was).

Now the twins ae unlikely to win as much as the vikings did that year, so it's unlikely this goes down as being equally as memorable, but it's not crazy to call this the biggest FA signing in MN history.
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This. Favre was a big story but was not close to being the top FA that off-season. Correa is certainly a much more unlikely signing.
 





Gophers1992 said:
Depends on how you measure it. Favre was a bigger news story, but Correa is a higher calier player at this point than Favre was at that time (or arguably ever was).

Now the twins ae unlikely to win as much as the vikings did that year, so it's unlikely this goes down as being equally as memorable, but it's not crazy to call this the biggest FA signing in MN history.
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Brett Farve was a HOF QB who used to play for our most bitter rival and nearly took us to a Super Bowl. It's not a close call IMO. Especially since they're both basically 1-year deals.
 








howeda7 said:
Brett Farve was a HOF QB who used to play for our most bitter rival and nearly took us to a Super Bowl. It's not a close call IMO. Especially since they're both basically 1-year deals.
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That's why I said it depends on how you define it. Correa is a likely HOFer as well.
 

howeda7 said:
Biggest FA signing in MN history? No. Not close. Brett Farve says hi.
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I guess you could make the argument regarding narrative, but as far as talent at the time of signing? It’s a laughable argument. Favre was 39 years old, coming off a 9-7 season with the Jets where he threw 22 TD’s and 22 INT’s. Including that season, three of the four seasons prior to joining the Vikings he had more or equal INT’s to TD’s . Plus, he was starting to be considered quite a flake, as it was his second retirement scuttled to join the Vikings.

I don’t know how you can forecast that Favre’s impact will be more considerable than Correa’s will be. Of course NFL quarterbacks have a larger impact than any one position player in MLB, but I have to imagine the signing of Correa has shot adrenaline throughout the Twins entire clubhouse and who knows what this season will bear. And if it goes south and the Twins are sellers at the deadline? The potential is there for Correa to garner a return of players that can have a long-term impact on the franchise that never existed with Favre.
 

I’m 53 yeas old and I’ve been an Astros fan since I was about 10. My second favorite team has always been the Twins so this move to get Correa has been interesting for me. I never expected the Astros to resign him. The 10 year deal at the dollars he wanted was something that franchise has just never done. I wanted the Twins to get involved with Correa the second they dumped Donaldson’s money but it was looking more like Story. I was pleasantly surprised to wake up to this news this morning. Sad he’s no longer in Houston, but happy he’s with my second favorite team. The Twins lineup is instantly transformed with Correa in the order. There is a health risk with Correa as Astros fans know that all too well. Somewhat similar to Twins fans with Buxton. If both stay healthy and in the lineup, man, your team is going to put up some runs. Correa’s defense is second to none at short. He’s the best in the league and y’all will love watching him every day. The arm is elite. His leadership abilities on the field are off the chart. Now, just add some pitching and who knows how far the Twins can go. Good luck to Correa and the Twins, except when they play Houston, and if y’all make the playoffs and we don’t, I’ll be wearing my Twins hat!
 

coolhandgopher said:
I guess you could make the argument regarding narrative, but as far as talent at the time of signing? It’s a laughable argument. Favre was 39 years old, coming off a 9-7 season with the Jets where he threw 22 TD’s and 22 INT’s. Including that season, three of the four seasons prior to joining the Vikings he had more or equal INT’s to TD’s . Plus, he was starting to be considered quite a flake, as it was his second retirement scuttled to join the Vikings.

I don’t know how you can forecast that Favre’s impact will be more considerable than Correa’s will be. Of course NFL quarterbacks have a larger impact than any one position player in MLB, but I have to imagine the signing of Correa has shot adrenaline throughout the Twins entire clubhouse and who knows what this season will bear. And if it goes south and the Twins are sellers at the deadline? The potential is there for Correa to garner a return of players that can have a long-term impact on the franchise that never existed with Favre.
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Certainly Correa is the biggest "in his prime" FA ever to sign with MN (I assume a bigger star than Parise was, but I'm not a huge hockey fan).

But in terms of impact, it's not close. Farve was the most hated player on the most hated rival for 15 + years. He joined a team that had already made the play-offs and made them a Super Bowl contender. There were freaking helicopters following the SUV that brought him from the airport. Every game for the entire season immediately sold out. Etc.

Correa takes this team from a projected 77 wins to 84. They still aren't projected to make the play-offs if they don't add pitching. If they do and he leads us to a play-off run, maybe it's even. None of that has happened yet.
 


Apparently Jhoan Duran hit 100 today. Could see him getting an opportunity in the bullpen this year.
 

Gophers1992 said:
That's why I said it depends on how you define it. Correa is a likely HOFer as well.
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I actually think the Favre signing turned out to be biggest signing by a long shot. There is not a position any bigger in any sport than QB, and we signed a HOF QB who probably had his best statistical season of his career. At the time of the signing, I thought we signed an upgrade but he was probably a bit washed up (had a very avg season with the Jets). In 2009, Brett Favre had a higher completion percentage and better TD/INT ration than any of his MVP seasons (and more yards than 2/3 of his MVP seasons). We not only signed a HOF QB, but we got (arguably) his best statistical season. I don't know if you could have a bigger impact signing than that.
 






saw a report that the Twins were talking to Story about a shorter contract with a higher Average Annual Value. (AAV)

In other words, the same general type of deal that Correa signed.

It allows both sides to keep their options open without being tied into a long-term deal.

Twins get the year to evaluate Lewis and Martin at SS. Correa can opt out after one year and become a free agent again - OR, if the Twins know he's planning to leave, they can trade him at the deadline and pick up some prospects or established players in return.

I think this is more likely to be the direction going forward - not getting tied into long-term contracts, with a few exceptions.
 


Twins-Rays on BS North. Not much offense so far. And listening to Dazzle do PBP is painful.
 

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