Small sample size. Outscored 15-6 in the 3 games yet take 2 of 3.
weak-ass non-response, as I've come to expect from you.Amazing to me how the science of hitting has evolved in my lifetime.
Wow - I knew he had been good, but not that good - he's a piece to the rotation puzzle moving forward - yipee!!
Well, the Sox have proven it an the Twins haven't yet.
You should move on. You are an idiot of the 1st degree.
In other words, I nailed that your opinion was silly. Moving on
SON thanks for the post - that sounds amazing!
theathletic.com
| PROSPECT | AGE | LEVEL | ACQUIRED |
|---|---|---|---|
| Jordan Balazovic | 22 | AA | 2016 (Draft) |
| Matt Canterino | 23 | A+ | 2019 (Draft) |
| Jhoan Duran | 23 | AAA | 2018 (Trade) |
| Bailey Ober | 26 | MLB | 2017 (Draft) |
| Joe Ryan | 25 | AAA | 2021 (Trade) |
| Cole Sands | 24 | AA | 2018 (Draft) |
| Drew Strotman | 24 | AAA | 2021 (Trade) |
| Chris Vallimont | 24 | AA | 2019 (Trade) |
| Josh Winder | 24 | AAA | 2018 (Draft) |
| Simeon Woods Richardson | 20 | AA | 2021 (Trade) |
Are you watching the game tonight? Yanks and Sox?
That was ridiculously well done. I just watched Field of Dreams Sunday night. Still a hell of a film 30 years later.
Good grief, once or twice is one thing but this is almost a daily occurrence. You do know this is a pay site, right? Day in, day out you continue to cut and paste entire articles from this site. Like literally almost every day. I normally couldn't care much less about this but WTF....MINOR LEAGUE PITCHING UPDATE PER THE ATHLETIC (sounds promising to me, fingers crossed) -
Is the Twins’ long-awaited pitching pipeline finally ready to start producing?
Is the Twins' long-awaited pitching pipeline finally ready to start producing?
After five years at the helm, Derek Falvey has built a deep group of high-minors pitching prospects. Are they ready to help the Twins now?
Years ago, a longtime baseball executive said something about developing young pitchers that has stuck with me ever since.
“The only proven way to have three good, young pitchers in your major-league rotation,” they said, “is to start with 10 good pitching prospects.”
Since then, I’ve seen that theory — while perhaps exaggerated for effect — play out over and over again in practice, in Minnesota and elsewhere.
Most frontline starting pitchers in the majors — like, say, José Berríos or even Michael Pineda — were once top pitching prospects in the minors. However, most top pitching prospects in the minors don’t go on to be frontline starting pitchers in the majors.
Some get hurt, some move to the bullpen and some simply aren’t as good as everyone had hoped. Every group of talented young pitchers gets thinned out as they move up the minor-league ladder until, sure enough, by the time they reach the big leagues there are only a fraction of them left standing to become building blocks in a rotation.
It’s easy to see that math, and that reality, in the way the Twins approached the trade deadline. They had a strong group of pitching prospects already in place, including Jordan Balazovic, Jhoan Duran, Matt Canterino, Josh Winder, Cole Sands, Chris Vallimont and Bailey Ober, but injuries have already begun to pile up and the front office prioritized adding arms to fight the war of attrition.
First they added Triple-A starters Joe Ryan and Drew Strotman in the Nelson Cruz trade with Tampa Bay. Then, via the Berríos trade with Toronto, they got Double-A starter Simeon Woods Richardson. Baseball America deemed them three of the four best pitching prospects traded at the deadline, and Ryan and Woods Richardson have already appeared on top-100 lists.
Suddenly the pitching-starved Twins have one of the best, deepest collections of high-minors pitching in baseball. Ober is in the majors and holding his own. Duran, Winder, Ryan and Strotman are at Triple A. Balazovic, Sands, Woods Richardson and Vallimont are at Double A. Canterino is likely on the verge of a promotion to Double A now that he’s returned from an elbow injury.
And the pitching pipeline that Derek Falvey was hired away from Cleveland to build in Minnesota five years ago finally looks ready to begin producing results. They now have those aforementioned 10 top pitching prospects, each relatively close to the majors. Next up, turning three of them — or more! — into quality pieces of a big-league rotation.
“We’ve added to our stable of pitching at the upper level,” Falvey said. “Guys we think are really good who can join the likes of Jordan Balazovic and Josh Winder and Matt Canterino, and a number of other guys coming back and being healthy. We hope that whole contingent, along with some of the guys already here in the big leagues who are going to be a big part of what we have going forward, gives us a chance to be sustainable and to impact us soon.”
PROSPECT AGE LEVEL ACQUIRED Jordan Balazovic 22 AA 2016 (Draft) Matt Canterino 23 A+ 2019 (Draft) Jhoan Duran 23 AAA 2018 (Trade) Bailey Ober 26 MLB 2017 (Draft) Joe Ryan 25 AAA 2021 (Trade) Cole Sands 24 AA 2018 (Draft) Drew Strotman 24 AAA 2021 (Trade) Chris Vallimont 24 AA 2019 (Trade) Josh Winder 24 AAA 2018 (Draft) Simeon Woods Richardson 20 AA 2021 (Trade)
Twins fans have understandably grown impatient waiting for young, impact arms to arrive, and the collapse of the major-league staff this season removed whatever benefit of the doubt remained. This offseason Falvey constructed the league’s oldest pitching staff, filled with regrettable free-agent signings and no prominent pieces under 25 years old. They have the AL’s second-worst ERA.
It also didn’t help that the Twins traded away two 19-year-old minor leaguers, sending Huascar Ynoa to the Braves for Jaime Garcia in 2017 and Luis Gil to the Yankees for Jake Cave in 2018, who now look like good pitching prospects who have already found success in the majors at age 23. There are certainly no shortage of reasons to be skeptical about this regime’s eye for pitching.
However, the reality is that rebuilding a farm system capable of churning out rotation and bullpen help on an annual basis takes time, especially considering the barren pitching cupboard Falvey inherited in 2017 and the organization-wide development that was lost when COVID-19 wiped away the entire 2020 minor-league season. Most prospects went over a year without game action.
“We can’t let this season, where we’re struggling, go for nothing,” Falvey said. “We have to find a way to continue to develop young players we have, refresh our system, get more players who are going to be a part of this. And then we have a whole offseason to continue to work to build around it. It’s going to be challenging, it’s going to be difficult work as always, but we feel like we have the stable and the foundation to do it.”
Even in Season 5 with Falvey at the helm, the Twins aren’t necessarily behind schedule, although no one could be blamed for thinking it seems that way. For instance, high-school pitchers picked in the first draft under Falvey are just 22 now. None of which is to suggest that the Twins’ recent pitching progress has been unimpeachable, or even good. But it’s still probably too early to tell.
By next season, though, that will no longer be the case. Falvey has had enough time, and devoted enough resources, to building the elusive pitching pipeline that it can finally start being judged on results. Pitchers he drafted, signed and traded for are now in the high minors, and the Twins are in desperate need of rotation reinforcements.
There are no more valid excuses after this season and choosing to trade Berríos with 1 1/2 seasons of team control left, while repeatedly insisting the Twins are planning to contend in 2022, means Falvey and company are doubling down on the readiness of the pitching pipeline to begin producing tangible value. With a wide-open 2022 rotation behind Kenta Maeda, the future is now. It has to be.
No Shite Sherlock I pay for it.
But, but, but, someone I dont' like posted it, so I'm going to throw a fit....WAHWHAHWHAHWAHWAHwe
LMAO @ TRANSULUCENT OGEE -
So basically, among all of this diatribe, you addressed nothing in regards to posting entire articles here from a pay site. This topic frequently gets brought up here on the sports boards when people post things from the pay Gopher sites, people take it somewhat seriously, and probably rightfully so.
I believe I have become disillusioned and rather jaded on the whole situation. Even if you have a guy that is MLB ready come from this group, it will take him a couple years to find his groove and excel at the MLB level. If he pans out, you then have 2-4 years of his service before the Twins determine they can't pay him when he gets past arbitration eligibility (or even sooner, eg. Berrios). Rinse and repeat. The only way he sticks around is if he's a Scott Baker-level guy. Decent, but not great.MINOR LEAGUE PITCHING UPDATE PER THE ATHLETIC (sounds promising to me, fingers crossed) -
Is the Twins’ long-awaited pitching pipeline finally ready to start producing?
Is the Twins' long-awaited pitching pipeline finally ready to start producing?
After five years at the helm, Derek Falvey has built a deep group of high-minors pitching prospects. Are they ready to help the Twins now?
Years ago, a longtime baseball executive said something about developing young pitchers that has stuck with me ever since.
“The only proven way to have three good, young pitchers in your major-league rotation,” they said, “is to start with 10 good pitching prospects.”
Since then, I’ve seen that theory — while perhaps exaggerated for effect — play out over and over again in practice, in Minnesota and elsewhere.
Most frontline starting pitchers in the majors — like, say, José Berríos or even Michael Pineda — were once top pitching prospects in the minors. However, most top pitching prospects in the minors don’t go on to be frontline starting pitchers in the majors.
Some get hurt, some move to the bullpen and some simply aren’t as good as everyone had hoped. Every group of talented young pitchers gets thinned out as they move up the minor-league ladder until, sure enough, by the time they reach the big leagues there are only a fraction of them left standing to become building blocks in a rotation.
It’s easy to see that math, and that reality, in the way the Twins approached the trade deadline. They had a strong group of pitching prospects already in place, including Jordan Balazovic, Jhoan Duran, Matt Canterino, Josh Winder, Cole Sands, Chris Vallimont and Bailey Ober, but injuries have already begun to pile up and the front office prioritized adding arms to fight the war of attrition.
First they added Triple-A starters Joe Ryan and Drew Strotman in the Nelson Cruz trade with Tampa Bay. Then, via the Berríos trade with Toronto, they got Double-A starter Simeon Woods Richardson. Baseball America deemed them three of the four best pitching prospects traded at the deadline, and Ryan and Woods Richardson have already appeared on top-100 lists.
Suddenly the pitching-starved Twins have one of the best, deepest collections of high-minors pitching in baseball. Ober is in the majors and holding his own. Duran, Winder, Ryan and Strotman are at Triple A. Balazovic, Sands, Woods Richardson and Vallimont are at Double A. Canterino is likely on the verge of a promotion to Double A now that he’s returned from an elbow injury.
And the pitching pipeline that Derek Falvey was hired away from Cleveland to build in Minnesota five years ago finally looks ready to begin producing results. They now have those aforementioned 10 top pitching prospects, each relatively close to the majors. Next up, turning three of them — or more! — into quality pieces of a big-league rotation.
“We’ve added to our stable of pitching at the upper level,” Falvey said. “Guys we think are really good who can join the likes of Jordan Balazovic and Josh Winder and Matt Canterino, and a number of other guys coming back and being healthy. We hope that whole contingent, along with some of the guys already here in the big leagues who are going to be a big part of what we have going forward, gives us a chance to be sustainable and to impact us soon.”
PROSPECT AGE LEVEL ACQUIRED Jordan Balazovic 22 AA 2016 (Draft) Matt Canterino 23 A+ 2019 (Draft) Jhoan Duran 23 AAA 2018 (Trade) Bailey Ober 26 MLB 2017 (Draft) Joe Ryan 25 AAA 2021 (Trade) Cole Sands 24 AA 2018 (Draft) Drew Strotman 24 AAA 2021 (Trade) Chris Vallimont 24 AA 2019 (Trade) Josh Winder 24 AAA 2018 (Draft) Simeon Woods Richardson 20 AA 2021 (Trade)
Twins fans have understandably grown impatient waiting for young, impact arms to arrive, and the collapse of the major-league staff this season removed whatever benefit of the doubt remained. This offseason Falvey constructed the league’s oldest pitching staff, filled with regrettable free-agent signings and no prominent pieces under 25 years old. They have the AL’s second-worst ERA.
It also didn’t help that the Twins traded away two 19-year-old minor leaguers, sending Huascar Ynoa to the Braves for Jaime Garcia in 2017 and Luis Gil to the Yankees for Jake Cave in 2018, who now look like good pitching prospects who have already found success in the majors at age 23. There are certainly no shortage of reasons to be skeptical about this regime’s eye for pitching.
However, the reality is that rebuilding a farm system capable of churning out rotation and bullpen help on an annual basis takes time, especially considering the barren pitching cupboard Falvey inherited in 2017 and the organization-wide development that was lost when COVID-19 wiped away the entire 2020 minor-league season. Most prospects went over a year without game action.
“We can’t let this season, where we’re struggling, go for nothing,” Falvey said. “We have to find a way to continue to develop young players we have, refresh our system, get more players who are going to be a part of this. And then we have a whole offseason to continue to work to build around it. It’s going to be challenging, it’s going to be difficult work as always, but we feel like we have the stable and the foundation to do it.”
Even in Season 5 with Falvey at the helm, the Twins aren’t necessarily behind schedule, although no one could be blamed for thinking it seems that way. For instance, high-school pitchers picked in the first draft under Falvey are just 22 now. None of which is to suggest that the Twins’ recent pitching progress has been unimpeachable, or even good. But it’s still probably too early to tell.
By next season, though, that will no longer be the case. Falvey has had enough time, and devoted enough resources, to building the elusive pitching pipeline that it can finally start being judged on results. Pitchers he drafted, signed and traded for are now in the high minors, and the Twins are in desperate need of rotation reinforcements.
There are no more valid excuses after this season and choosing to trade Berríos with 1 1/2 seasons of team control left, while repeatedly insisting the Twins are planning to contend in 2022, means Falvey and company are doubling down on the readiness of the pitching pipeline to begin producing tangible value. With a wide-open 2022 rotation behind Kenta Maeda, the future is now. It has to be.
I don't blame you and I'd be right there with you, except Ober has given me hope. Next year we need to have a minimum of one other guy become a starter as well and they should ride or die with Dobnak for a good half season; silly to sign him to that deal and give Shoe the 5 spot in the rotation - man, why??? Shoe could've held down his assignment, but to sign him to that deal then pull the rug out from him, especially with all the praise he go in spring training is waaay beyond my comprehension.
I’m guessing we’ll see Joe Ryan making a few starts in Sept. He came over in the Cruz trade.
Only if the Saints don't make the playoffs.
Per LaVelle (excuse my copy and paste - I'm a one trick pony) -
www.startribune.com
Another sign of hope ( I didn't realize his cumulative recent stats, but did mention his last stellar outing vs. the Sox -
Make that 7 of 10 from three 1st place teams.
