All Things 2021 Minnesota Twins In-Season Thread

Buxton out "a month or so" with a boxers fracture. Less than 3 games back. You can't make it up.
He breaks his hand, and they're claiming a month? Are they not aware we've seen this movie before? It's the Twins and Buxton. Take whatever length of time a "normal" athlete should take to come back and add 20% if he doesn't have any "setbacks".
 

Yes, but I think your # are too low. They'll have to pay him $18-20 and add $3-5 m in incentives for plate appearances. There are limits to how much can be tied to incentives and he's a $30 million player when he plays.
For the sake of argument, let's say he sits out only a month with a broken hand, comes back, and doesn't get injured the rest of the season. The max AB's he could end up with this year is about 330 by my calculation. That would be the second highest in his career. Let's call 500 AB's the threshold for a reliable everyday player.

At the beginning of this year, I thought a NY or LA team would give him a long-term contract. I am beginning to really doubt even they will at this point. Is anybody touching him other than on a heavily incentive-laden contract?

Year-AB (AB/500)
2015- 129 (26%)
2016- 298 (60%)
2017- 462 (92%)
2018- 90 (18%)
2019- 271 (54%)
2020- 130 (72%)
2021- 103* (66% maximum potential based on latest injury)
 

Yes, but I think your # are too low. They'll have to pay him $18-20 and add $3-5 m in incentives for plate appearances. There are limits to how much can be tied to incentives and he's a $30 million player when he plays.
Probably correct, in which I would say too rich for the Twins budget and could not blame them for letting him go.

Feels like the Eric Lindros saga.
 

Probably correct, in which I would say too rich for the Twins budget and could not blame them for letting him go.

Feels like the Eric Lindros saga.
They can afford to keep him and Berrios if they want to. Who else are they going to spend $ on? Donaldson is gone after 2023. Sano after 2022 (or sooner if they can get anyone to take either of them). Kierloff/Larnach are cheap until 2026 or so.
 

He breaks his hand, and they're claiming a month? Are they not aware we've seen this movie before? It's the Twins and Buxton. Take whatever length of time a "normal" athlete should take to come back and add 20% if he doesn't have any "setbacks".
Joey Votto from the Reds had the same injury, missed 34 days. I'd say 8/1.
 


For the sake of argument, let's say he sits out only a month with a broken hand, comes back, and doesn't get injured the rest of the season. The max AB's he could end up with this year is about 330 by my calculation. That would be the second highest in his career. Let's call 500 AB's the threshold for a reliable everyday player.

At the beginning of this year, I thought a NY or LA team would give him a long-term contract. I am beginning to really doubt even they will at this point. Is anybody touching him other than on a heavily incentive-laden contract?

Year-AB (AB/500)
2015- 129 (26%)
2016- 298 (60%)
2017- 462 (92%)
2018- 90 (18%)
2019- 271 (54%)
2020- 130 (72%)
2021- 103* (66% maximum potential based on latest injury)
Someone likely will, it's just a matter of how big the discount is. I'd offer him 5/$100 with $1m incentives for every 50 plate appearances starting at 350. If he stays healthy, he earns ~$25 million/year. He's a $30 million player when healthy, so you're basically paying for 100 games and if he goes above that, it's a bonus.

It would be nice to make it even more incentive laden, but there's no way his agent or the player's association will go for a contract where half his salary is incentives. I think there might be language in the CBA that prevents that as well.
 

Saw this in Twitter - provide your own punch line.

Tonight Miguel Sanó of the
@Twins
1. pinch ran
2. had multiple hits
3. had multiple RBI -
4. hit a walkoff HR
He's the first player in American League history to do all of those things in the same game.
 





Someone likely will, it's just a matter of how big the discount is. I'd offer him 5/$100 with $1m incentives for every 50 plate appearances starting at 350. If he stays healthy, he earns ~$25 million/year. He's a $30 million player when healthy, so you're basically paying for 100 games and if he goes above that, it's a bonus.

It would be nice to make it even more incentive laden, but there's no way his agent or the player's association will go for a contract where half his salary is incentives. I think there might be language in the CBA that prevents that as well.
Maeda's contract is basically half (or more) incentives. There is no way in hell I'm giving Buxton $20mil/year guaranteed. I'd give him $10/year base, and a potential to earn another $10/year on plate appearances, and another $5/year on performance incentives. He stays healthy and plays well, he earns $25/year. Or almost guaranteed to happen- he gets injured, and sits/rehabs for half the season for $10mil.

If nothing else, it'll be interesting to see what happens with him. I can't believe any GM/owner would shell out good money for a guaranteed IL player, but as they say, it only takes one...

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/minnesota-twins/kenta-maeda-18451/
 

They can afford to keep him and Berrios if they want to. Who else are they going to spend $ on? Donaldson is gone after 2023. Sano after 2022 (or sooner if they can get anyone to take either of them). Kierloff/Larnach are cheap until 2026 or so.

I don't think it would be wise to allocate such a high percentage of the budget to both Buxton & Berrios. One or the other, IMO.
 

I saw the pitch, I wan't boycotting last night.

He got hit flush on the back off the hand; no glancing blow with a 93 mph fastball. It would have been a miracle if it didn't break FWIW>
For sure no one is going to claim that he and/or the Twins are too soft, with this one.

Just like "damn dude, how much bad luck can one guy have??"
 

Maeda's contract is basically half (or more) incentives. There is no way in hell I'm giving Buxton $20mil/year guaranteed. I'd give him $10/year base, and a potential to earn another $10/year on plate appearances, and another $5/year on performance incentives. He stays healthy and plays well, he earns $25/year. Or almost guaranteed to happen- he gets injured, and sits/rehabs for half the season for $10mil.

If nothing else, it'll be interesting to see what happens with him. I can't believe any GM/owner would shell out good money for a guaranteed IL player, but as they say, it only takes one...

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/minnesota-twins/kenta-maeda-18451/
There's no way he's signing for $10 million/year. He will likely would get close to that next year in arbitration.
 



Can we please get Colome, Shoemaker and Happ off this team?
 


There's no way he's signing for $10 million/year. He will likely would get close to that next year in arbitration.
I'm not saying that's what he'll make; rather what I as a GM or owner would be comfortable paying him (on a medium market team) on an incentive-laden contract. If he can make more than that, he can play (or rather sit on the bench injured) somewhere else.
 

I'm not saying that's what he'll make; rather what I as a GM or owner would be comfortable paying him (on a medium market team) on an incentive-laden contract. If he can make more than that, he can play (or rather sit on the bench injured) somewhere else.
There's no salary cap and I'm not a Pohlad heir so I don't care if we overpay a bit to keep our best player. Obviously you have to draw a line in the sand somewhere, I just don't think $10 million/year is a reasonable place to draw it. 100 games of Buxton is more valuable than 150 of Josh Donaldson.
 

There's no salary cap and I'm not a Pohlad heir so I don't care if we overpay a bit to keep our best player. Obviously you have to draw a line in the sand somewhere, I just don't think $10 million/year is a reasonable place to draw it. 100 games of Buxton is more valuable than 150 of Josh Donaldson.
150 games from Donaldson? So, we're talking over three seasons? ;-)
 

I got sucked into another month at $25 because of the nice mini-run prior to last night's debacle as my MLB monthly renewed yesterday.

You guys better be at a minimum 500% or 3 games out by the end of May or I'm watch the Mets for free underperform - at least I get to see DeGrom once a week and his sick magic

DeGrom this season has scored 4 runs this year. On the hill he has given up 4 Earned Runs in 72 innings pitched. Sick.
 


And the latest Twinjury news. (not my creation - heard it on the radio)

Randy Dobnak to the IL and Griffin Jax is called up to take Dobnak's place in the rotation.
 

DeGrom this season has scored 4 runs this year. On the hill he has given up 4 Earned Runs in 72 innings pitched. Sick.
Yeah he's fun to watch and the Mets haven't chocked this season - love seeing the Yankess struggle.
 


Twins suck and Akil Badoo is going to be rookie of the year in the AL. I am done with Kepler in center field and the Celestino kid can’t hit. Should make for a fun 45 days with Buxton out.
 

Twins suck and Akil Badoo is going to be rookie of the year in the AL. I am done with Kepler in center field and the Celestino kid can’t hit. Should make for a fun 45 days with Buxton out.
Of all the things wrong with the 21 Twins, Kepler in CF is pretty low on the list. I do wish they'd give Gordon some regular playing time out there though.

Losing Badoo for Kyle Garlick is pretty bad. Just like losing Nick Anderson for nothing and signing trash like Shoemaker. Falvey has not covered himself in glory the last couple years.
 


NASA: Newly Discovered Asteroid Will ‘Definitely’ Land on Byron Buxton​


When NASA astronomer Steve Bland observed a new asteroid hurtling through space earlier this month, he was alarmed. The object was clearly on a path that would send it directly towards Earth. “Obviously, that’s a nightmare scenario,” said Bland. “Even a relatively small object could wreak havoc on the impact area.”

Further study relieved Bland and his co-workers when it was determined that the asteroid, named 2021 SB, would disintegrate rapidly upon entering the planet’s atmosphere. However, there was one note of concern.

“Just from following the course it’s travelling through our solar system, there is zero doubt in my mind that it’s definitely going to land on top of Minnesota Twins center fielder Byron Buxton,” said Bland.

It’s estimated that 2021 SB will be the size of a golf ball once it reaches Buxton and will likely end its grand celestial journey on his throwing shoulder or right big toe.

“I can’t say I’ve ever seen anything like this before,” admitted Bland. "Most asteroids do not target individuals."

The Twins say they’ve been notified by NASA of the situation.

“It’s not an existential threat to all human life but Byron is for sure going to be out indefinitely,” said Twins manager Rocco Baldelli. “We spoke with Byron and he’s as disappointed as we are.”

Officials say the asteroid will likely reach Buxton immediately after his left hand is fully healed from the fracture suffered during Monday’s game versus Cincinnati.

“2021 SB actually appeared to slow down on Monday evening,” said Bland. “It was on pace to get here on Wednesday but now looks like it’s taking its sweet time. Yes, that’s unusual.”

Although Bland didn’t want to speculate on the actual date, time, and location, sources close to the team say they expect the space object to injure Buxton on his first day back with the Twins or on a St. Paul rehab assignment when he’s signing autographs for impressionable young children.

 


Of all the things wrong with the 21 Twins, Kepler in CF is pretty low on the list. I do wish they'd give Gordon some regular playing time out there though.

Losing Badoo for Kyle Garlick is pretty bad. Just like losing Nick Anderson for nothing and signing trash like Shoemaker. Falvey has not covered himself in glory the last couple years.
Also keeping Jake Cave for Lamont Wade. This front office has made some disastrous decisions since they got here. Just look at what Kyle Gibson and Lance Lynn are doing since they left the twins. Also Zach Littel with the giants. If they trade Berrios they will not have a single good starter coming into 2022 and I don’t wanna hear about prospects cause they are all injured or will be on major innings limits.
 

Not a good look for the twins today. Not postponing the game prior to people showing up, but then also not even making an attempt to start the game. They obviously didn’t want to play today, but still wanted the few thousand fans show up just for some extra money. Not what was a Saturday June game will be made up as a horse shit 7 inning game on a Tuesday in September.
With bad play and the issues watching them on cable alternatives the twins are fast becoming a forgotten organization.
 

Not a good look for the twins today. Not postponing the game prior to people showing up, but then also not even making an attempt to start the game. They obviously didn’t want to play today, but still wanted the few thousand fans show up just for some extra money. Not what was a Saturday June game will be made up as a horse shit 7 inning game on a Tuesday in September.
With bad play and the issues watching them on cable alternatives the twins are fast becoming a forgotten organization.
I get rain outs suck. But this was the first of the year and I think that's a tad cynical. And you can exchange the tickets for any future game, so the folks upset about it now being a midweek 7 inning game are silly.
 




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