2021 Other Bowl Games Thread

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stocker08 said:
"Experimental" "Limited Effectiveness". You were dunked on for those lazy claims in the last thread....and continue to push that crap. You are the only big-mouthed moron here.

And then to follow it up by refusing to admit that Cousins is a "bad" teammate for refusing the vaccine? Just smashes your argument that college kids going into the draft are bad teammates for sitting out. Can't whine about the team being more important than the individual....just to turn around and deny it when it's convenient.



Right. You are picking and choosing when the team or the individual matters more based on your personal agenda. Which makes your opinion completely irrelevant and laughable.

And why does college vs. pro matter? Transitory? You do realize that college players are on those teams for a maximum of four....maybe five years? The guys sitting out because of the draft are often there for even less time. The guys playing around them are graduating and moving on while other guys come in. There's new guys each year in college too. In many cases there is MORE turnover in college.

Another lousy argument. You'd be better off just saying that Cousins is a bad A
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As someone who was vaccinated long before you were, I am not, unlike you, too stupid to understand they are experimental under emergency regulations. They were not fully vetted through long test results and the end result today is they are not very effective.

More vaccinated people than non-vacinated have had some form of CCP virus. That is because about two thirds of adults are vaccinated so they represent a bigger pool. The point is Kirk Cousins is no more likely to avoid testing positive than Mike Zimmer.
 

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Not SEC domination.


Alabama

Georgia

LSU

Florida
Auburn

The other 9 are no better as programs than Purdue and Minnesota.
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My opinion is that Texas AM has a program that is better than Purdue or Minnesota.
Gopher_In_NYC said:
Bill Gates and many other successful entrepreneurs would disagree with you,
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Zuckerberg,Gates, Jobs, Woz and on and on.
 

builtbadgers said:
My opinion is that Texas AM has a program that is better than Purdue or Minnesota.
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I agree with you they have a stronger program in the past 15 years. I disagree they have a stronger team this year though.
If A&M played Purdue or Minnesota it would be a close game that either team could win.

which is more my point
 

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I agree with you they have a stronger program in the past 15 years. I disagree they have a stronger team this year though.
If A&M played Purdue or Minnesota it would be a close game that either team could win.

which is more my point
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Agree, it is possible . Their last two classes are off the charts, especially the 2022. I think the top 3 or 4 in the SEC are significantly better than the Big 10. The solution is to get better.
 


builtbadgers said:
Agree, it is possible . Their last two classes are off the charts, especially the 2022. I think the top 3 or 4 in the SEC are significantly better than the Big 10. The solution is to get better.
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Jumbo is an ace recruiter and shocker they got rich alums who love 🏈
 

builtbadgers said:
Agree, it is possible . Their last two classes are off the charts, especially the 2022. I think the top 3 or 4 in the SEC are significantly better than the Big 10. The solution is to get better.
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Classes don’t win football games.
texas A&M has a lot of talent but is an undisciplined football team from the couple games I have watched. They have the talent to beat a team like Alabama but have the consistency to lose to a bad LSU team and barely escape a horrible Colorado team.

If both teams Play their best game Texas a&m wins. Texas A&M plays to the best of their ability once or twice a year.

Which probably is a lot of why SEC teams do so well in the playoff and so poorly in other games. Florida almost loses to Sanford, loses to UCF

almost beats Bama.

SEC teams are less consistent because their guys for whatever reason are more likely to be distracted and less focused.



Not even because “they don’t want to be there” because it happens in the regular Season too
 


builtbadgers said:
My opinion is that Texas AM has a program that is better than Purdue or Minnesota.

Zuckerberg,Gates, Jobs, Woz and on and on.
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None of whom were enticed to leave college early to take high- paying jobs. Keep trying.
 




Dakota2 said:
As someone who was vaccinated long before you were, I am not, unlike you, too stupid to understand they are experimental under emergency regulations. They were not fully vetted through long test results and the end result today is they are not very effective.

More vaccinated people than non-vacinated have had some form of CCP virus. That is because about two thirds of adults are vaccinated so they represent a bigger pool. The point is Kirk Cousins is no more likely to avoid testing positive than Mike Zimmer.
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Wrong. You were proven as a dolt in a previous thread with the claims that the vaccine isn't effective.

Unvaccinated players in the NFL are tested daily unlike vaccinated players. Regardless of whether Cousins test was positive because he contracted the virus....or it was a false positive.....if he were vaccinated....chances are he would have played and this never would have even been caught. He chose not to get vaccinated and it is a detriment to the team. Playing dumb about the rules doesn't strengthen your case.

Again.....the fact that you are railing against unpaid college kids opting out in order to protect their individual interests.....while ignoring and excusing Cousins simply proves that you are a moron with an agenda. You only care about the "team" over the individual as long as it doesn't conflict with your stupid political beliefs. Total dope.
 

Ewert86PC said:
Isn't football a TEAM sport regardless of what level you play? Besides I think he used up his eligibility at Michigan State
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Yes....for everyone who doesn't have irrational biases and agendas.
 

Dakota2 said:
How did he become a potential high draft pick? Who developed his potential? Who allowed him to showcase his talent?
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So you proved my point. They trained him for his next career. He can move on when he chooses. Just like coaches can move on whenever they choose.
 



stocker08 said:
Wrong. You were proven as a dolt in a previous thread with the claims that the vaccine isn't effective.

Unvaccinated players in the NFL are tested daily unlike vaccinated players. Regardless of whether Cousins test was positive because he contracted the virus....or it was a false positive.....if he were vaccinated....chances are he would have played and this never would have even been caught. He chose not to get vaccinated and it is a detriment to the team. Playing dumb about the rules doesn't strengthen your case.

Again.....the fact that you are railing against unpaid college kids opting out in order to protect their individual interests.....while ignoring and excusing Cousins simply proves that you are a moron with an agenda. You only care about the "team" over the individual as long as it doesn't conflict with your stupid political beliefs. Total dope.
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Where have I excused Cousins? Is that something like your moronic claim I am a fax " truther" when I chose to become vaccinated months before you were? You are beyond dumb.
 

discochris said:
For a lot of these guys who opt out - they aren't going back to school. None of that matters except the future money.

I can't think of a way to completely prevent opting out. You could say a player has to pay back the value of the scholarship, but that could be paid under the table by a booster, or built into their NFL signing bonus.

Let us look at a non-sports scenario.

Let's say someone is a brilliant mathematician. Like Stephen Hawking brilliant. They have a full academic ride to MIT. They get a multimillion dollar offer from GiantTech Company. But they have to leave school now, prior to graduation. Would they do it? I think most would. Because college is a means to an end for the mathematician, as it is for the NFL prospect. In neither case, do they owe anything more to the school.
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How would GiantTech Company know the person is that brilliant? It is not like we have the Math Bowl, Tech Bowl and Brilliant Bowl to gauge the competition.

I kind of see the equivalency you are proposing, but it is like comparing the hiring process of an electrical engineer to an electrician. One is a professional. One is a tradesman. The previous requires specialized education in a broader topic, while the latter requires learning and demonstrating a specific skill, often with specific training, to perform a specific job. A college athlete in your example is more like a tradesman - i.e. a wide receiver learning how to be a really good wide receiver in a practical, hands-on way. A general manager, on the other hand, has to understand all facets of the game in addition to managing the organization - offense, defense and special teams, hiring the right coaches, managing salary cap and negotiating contracts. However, they might not be able to catch a pass for crap, or certainly not at the level of a master receiver. Both are critical to the success of the team, it is just their area and focus are different.

Most organizations are not going to hire a professional without a completed degree, period. Sure, they might be passing up a once in a generation Stephen Hawking, but odds are they are avoiding a potential Antonio Brown headache.
 

WindyCityGopher said:
With ESPN owning all the major bowls you get a situation like the Sugar Bowl tonight where the broadcasters are nobodies and not good because ESPN doesn’t have enough depth in their talent roster to cover that many games. Think about in the golden period in the late 70s/early 80s where there was high level talent calling the Rose Bowl (Dick Enberg and Merlin Olson) and Orange Bowl (Don Criqui and Bob Trumpy) on NBC and the Sugar Bowl (Keith Jackson and a host of color guys) on ABC. That’s when the New Year’s Day bowls were something special and fun.
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I was doing fine until you said Keith Jackson......now I'm reduced to a quivering mess. :)
 

forever a gopher said:
I don’t like any of them. But I have degrees of outrage. OSU opt-outs in the Rose Bowl > Purdue opt-outs in the Music City Bowl.

Some opt-outs won’t affect your draft position, but there is also a boost you may see from playing. If Karlaftis plays and is dominant on a national stage (especially when many probably never watched a Purdue game all year) he may boost his stock. Recency Bias is definitely a thing, and many basketball players have parlayed big NCAA tournaments into lucrative NBA rookie contracts.
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Jadeveon Clowney is a perfect example. Had no idea who the guy was until The Hit.
 

Dakota2 said:
Where have I excused Cousins? Is that something like your moronic claim I am a fax " truther" when I chose to become vaccinated months before you were? You are beyond dumb.
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You've been spewing incorrect claims that the vaccine is ineffective all over the board. That's next level idiocy....and truther talk. Even after several posters proved you very wrong.

I haven't seen anyone have as adverse of a reaction to players opting out of bowls as you. Personally.....I don't like it. But I also understand that some of these guys see a massive paycheck coming and don't want to risk an injury. Other guys (probably most).....like Kamal Martin in 2019.....see the extra month of practice as time that they can spend training for things like the combine or their pro days.....in order to improve their draft stock. There is BIG money on the line for these guys and even a round or two makes a difference.

Somebody else brought up Cousins and it's a good point. If you are so gung-ho about team over individual......it should have been a quick post to say that him staying unvaccinated was selfish. Instead you went into your crazed anti-vax rambling like a damn goon.

Congrats on quickly becoming one of the biggest dopes on this message board.
 

Nax5 said:
That's not true at all. You can get into any of the FAANG companies without even a Bachelor's Degree. You just need to demonstrate the expertise.
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Sweeping floors?

They will hire people without a computer science degree, certainly, but most have a bachelors in a somewhat related field.

I work in the data science field myself. We aren't touching someone without a bachelors at a minimum, and even then we expect at least 2 years of OTJ training just to get them quasi-functional. Most have raw programming skills, but knowing what to program is a much, much larger canyon to cross. I've seen beautiful, clean code that executes flawlessly that is completely based on erroneous assumptions. The danger is they think they know what they are doing, so it is double whammy of correcting the erros and managing the hubris (the latter being far worse if they consider themselves uber-talented).
 

stocker08 said:
I haven't seen anyone have as adverse of a reaction to players opting out of bowls as you. Personally.....I don't like it. But I also understand that some of these guys see a massive paycheck coming and don't want to risk an injury.
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Exactly, and I didn't see any comment on coaches being able to come and go as they please. His position is basically that players should be considered chattel, be happy with whatever they get, and have no rights at all.

One thing I would support, though I don't know that it's enforceable. Players having to make the decision before bowl selection, so bowls can take into account if they want to choose a team whose star players will not be playing.
 


Dakota2 said:
As someone who was vaccinated long before you were, I am not, unlike you, too stupid to understand they are experimental under emergency regulations. They were not fully vetted through long test results and the end result today is they are not very effective.

More vaccinated people than non-vacinated have had some form of CCP virus. That is because about two thirds of adults are vaccinated so they represent a bigger pool. The point is Kirk Cousins is no more likely to avoid testing positive than Mike Zimmer.
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“They are not very effective” and you’re calling people stupid?
 

Apparently LSU and K-State are playing a bowl game on Tuesday.

I really think NYD should be the last day for bowl games, other than playoff games (as needed).
 

stocker08 said:
You've been spewing incorrect claims that the vaccine is ineffective all over the board. That's next level idiocy....and truther talk. Even after several posters proved you very wrong.

I haven't seen anyone have as adverse of a reaction to players opting out of bowls as you. Personally.....I don't like it. But I also understand that some of these guys see a massive paycheck coming and don't want to risk an injury. Other guys (probably most).....like Kamal Martin in 2019.....see the extra month of practice as time that they can spend training for things like the combine or their pro days.....in order to improve their draft stock. There is BIG money on the line for these guys and even a round or two makes a difference.

Somebody else brought up Cousins and it's a good point. If you are so gung-ho about team over individual......it should have been a quick post to say that him staying unvaccinated was selfish. Instead you went into your crazed anti-vax rambling like a damn goon.

Congrats on quickly becoming one of the biggest dopes on this message board.
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It's understandable an illiterate moron can't read. I am not anti-vax as proved by the fact I was vaccinated long before you had the opportunity to be vaccinated.

It is also indisputably factual the vaccines have provided nothing close to immunity as proved by the enormous number of breakthrough cases. Understanding this requires an open mind. You are committed to a political party line which requires denial of developing data. A perfect useful idiot.
 

DarthGopher said:
Sweeping floors?

They will hire people without a computer science degree, certainly, but most have a bachelors in a somewhat related field.

I work in the data science field myself. We aren't touching someone without a bachelors at a minimum, and even then we expect at least 2 years of OTJ training just to get them quasi-functional. Most have raw programming skills, but knowing what to program is a much, much larger canyon to cross. I've seen beautiful, clean code that executes flawlessly that is completely based on erroneous assumptions. The danger is they think they know what they are doing, so it is double whammy of correcting the erros and managing the hubris (the latter being far worse if they consider themselves uber-talented).
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Certainly. That's the challenge with "self-taught" programmers. I always tell people the worst developer I ever met was self-taught. And so was the best.

Formal education is the safest path. But these days, not the only path. Most new devs I meet these days went the bootcamp route.
 

Dakota2 said:
It's understandable an illiterate moron can't read. I am not anti-vax as proved by the fact I was vaccinated long before you had the opportunity to be vaccinated.

It is also indisputably factual the vaccines have provided nothing close to immunity as proved by the enormous number of breakthrough cases. Understanding this requires an open mind. You are committed to a political party line which requires denial of developing data. A perfect useful idiot.
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Anyone who continues to push the lies and the propaganda that the vaccines are ineffective is an anti-vaxxer and a dope who falls for propaganda. The vaccines have proven to be very effective at limiting the worst effects of covid in most people. This isn't an opinion. This is a fact that everyone with a functioning brain now knows.

You still haven't stated that Cousins was wrong to stay unvaccinated. Even though it had the potential to hurt the team. So what is it? Team first or individual players? Or are you a politically motivated hack who let's their agenda influence their big sweeping declarations due to a chemical imbalance?

Keep going though. I knew that you were a loony idiot around a week ago when news that the Gophers had zero cases surfaced and you went into a rant about how you weren't afraid of covid.....and how everyone was going to get it anyways. The more you post....the more people here know that you are a joke. Congrats.
 


Dakota2 said:
It's understandable an illiterate moron can't read. I am not anti-vax as proved by the fact I was vaccinated long before you had the opportunity to be vaccinated.

It is also indisputably factual the vaccines have provided nothing close to immunity as proved by the enormous number of breakthrough cases. Understanding this requires an open mind. You are committed to a political party line which requires denial of developing data. A perfect useful idiot.
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From Tuesday:

Bowl Cancellations

Why....because the NFL and NCAA have shut down players who have it? Yeah....kind of reinforces the reason why they do this. They are not sick.
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Dakota2 said:
And surely you are aware that the majority of new cases, hospitalizations, and deaths are vaccinated people. They are experimental drugs and not very effective, unfortunately.
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Ragnor said:
Being a medical researcher myself, this conflicts with what I have heard from colleagues who are ICU physicians (i.e. critical care pulmonologists) and physician researchers. Since anecdotal evidence is relatively poor, even though the individuals are certainly qualified/credible. I thus decided to look for research results on this topic.

As far as vaccinations go I am happy to share that the only evidence I found shows completely the opposite value of vaccinations from your assertion. References follow below:

https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Do...-tables/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org...alized-with-covid-19-breakthrough-infections/

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7037e1.htm

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab932/6415962

The best place to look for medical peer reviewed research is PubMed but Google Scholar works fine too or visit your local medical library to find other good options for searching. Here is a simple search I did on PubMed that came up with some relevant research.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=COVID-19+breakthrough+hospitalizations

If you have references that contradict this evidence, of the positive value of the covid-19 vaccinations, please share.

As far as "drugs" go, it is hard to comment because I don't know which drugs you are referring to. I can look up the research on them and share if you would like just let me know which drugs you are concerned about. Off the cuff I am aware of research that shows one of major monoclonal antibodies is not effective against the omicron variant (even though it was effective against delta and other varients) but there is at least one other monoclonal that does remain effective. Again let me know your questions on the drugs and I will be happy to find more information. If you have questions about how the vaccinations work on the molecular level with our immune system I can find those answers too.

I hope this helps.
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Schnauzer said:
Excellent, excellent post. In another time it would swiftly end the discussion and expose the fraudulent point(s) made by the person you are addressing.

The problem is, that is no longer the case. We’ve all seen this replay too often now. The formula is very predictable. One of the following things will happen:

1. he’ll double down and make further senseless points, perhaps even backed with a fraudulent link that is either suspect or more likely, doesn’t directly address your comments.

2. he’ll reply and focus on some minor aspect of what you wrote, ignoring the main points, and thereby casting doubt on all of it.

3. He’ll skip responding at all, and just go elsewhere to spew the falsehoods.

The only thing I am sure of is he will not be replying to say “geez, I was totally wrong about my statements about vaccinated people in hospitals. And most everything else too. Thank you for the excellent information”. This is the 20’s and it unfortunately it doesn’t work that way.
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I'll note that you chose option #3. Ran away like the chud you are.
 

Some guy said:
It’s a lot better than it used to be during the BCS era in that respect.
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A lot of the odd scheduling in some seasons has to do with the Rose (and I think the Sugar and Orange) being required to be played on NYD, unless they are a playoff semifinal that season. That said, I don't know why the Texas Bowl needs to be on Tuesday.
 

50PoundHead said:
I've been through there. City isn't much, but it's a pretty campus with a great stadium.
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Fair points and true but still a small town where it's hard to hide. Some guys don't mind that. Not sure Kiffen is one of them or he enjoys eating at the same 3 restaurants all the time.
 

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