12/27 - Rashad Vaughn will NOT attend the U

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dpodoll68 said:
Actually, it is. The NCAA, whose opinion on the subject is the only one that truly matters, agrees with me.
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Let me create a scenrio here and see how consistent you are with your logic. Let's say you see your neighbor steal your car one day. You see them do it and are 100% certain it was him, but the police can't find the car or any evidence that they took it. A judge determines that he is "innocent" due to insufficient evidence and he goes on with a clean record. Since the law says that he didn't steal it, do you say "Oh, i guess he didn't steal it then. My car must still be on the street and just turned invisible for some reason?" Or do you know what actually happened and understand that in reality a court of law doesn't actually decide what does and doesn't happen (similar to the NCAA)?
 

GophersOnTheRise said:
Let me create a scenrio here and see how consistent you are with your logic. Let's say you see your neighbor steal your car one day. You see them do it and are 100% certain it was him, but the police can't find the car or any evidence that they took it. A judge determines that he is "innocent" due to insufficient evidence and he goes on with a clean record. Since the law says that he didn't steal it, do you say "Oh, i guess he didn't steal it then. My car must still be on the street and just turned invisible for some reason?" Or do you know what actually happened and understand that in reality a court of law doesn't actually decide what does and doesn't happen (similar to the NCAA)?
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If a person is declared innocent of theft, the court is not declaring that the car wasn't stolen. Keep trying, though.
 

dpodoll68 said:
If a person is declared innocent of theft, the court is not declaring that the car wasn't stolen. Keep trying, though.
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Okay. Do you go on with your day thinking it wasn't actually him even though you saw him do it simply because that's what someone of a higher authority determines?
 

GophersOnTheRise said:
Okay. Do you go on with your day thinking it wasn't actually him even though you saw him do it simply because that's what someone of a higher authority determines?
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No. But from a legal perspective, my opinion on the topic has been rendered worthless and meaningless. In the same way, anyone who likes to pretend that the Gophers Final Four appearance counts, or happened, or is legitimate, or whatever delusion you wish to employ, is holding a meaningless and worthless opinion from a legal perspective. If the Gophers tried to hang a banner that said "1997 Final Four", or attempted to publicize that they played in the 1997 Final Four, the retribution from the NCAA would be swift and severe.
 

GophersOnTheRise said:
Okay. Do you go on with your day thinking it wasn't actually him even though you saw him do it simply because that's what someone of a higher authority determines?
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It's funny that you employ this example, because it mirrors very closely something that actually happened to me. When I was in college at the U, one of my roommate's friends parked (illegally) in our parking lot and blocked me in, when I had to be to work in 45 min. He wasn't there, so I had his car towed so I could get to work. In retribution, he took a giant screwdriver and punctured all 4 of my tires. I watched him do it out the window of my house, along with 2 other roommates. I tried to have him prosecuted, but there was no physical evidence and it got nowhere.

Do I know he did it? Yes, I watched him do it. I still bitch and moan about it to this day (12 years later) that he got away with it scot-free. From a legal perspective, what good does my bitching and moaning do for me? Nothing. It's meaningless. Impotent. Ineffectual. As far as the law is concerned, that d0uchebag slashing my tires never happened. As far as the NCAA is concerned, the Gophers playing in the Final Four never happened.
 


dpodoll68 said:
No. But from a legal perspective, my opinion on the topic has been rendered worthless and meaningless. In the same way, anyone who likes to pretend that the Gophers Final Four appearance counts, or happened, or is legitimate, or whatever delusion you wish to employ, is holding a meaningless and worthless opinion from a legal perspective. If the Gophers tried to hang a banner that said "1997 Final Four", or attempted to publicize that they played in the 1997 Final Four, the retribution from the NCAA would be swift and severe.
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Looks like you actually do agree with me. You're saying you woudn't go on with your day thinking that because you know what actually happened. The law doesn't see it that way and it may not help you or be meaningful in any way, but the theft still happened (in the hypothetical scenerio), similar to the Gophers Final Four run. The NCAA doesn't give them credit for it (as they shouldn't), and it's pretty meaningless, but it still happened. I never said our Final Four counts or is legitimate, nor do I think we could rightfully hang a banner. I'm just saying no matter what a higher authority says, they can't erase that day from our memory. They can take credit away, sure, but they can't magically determine that that day never happened. No one in the world has that type of power. It's impossible.
 

dpodoll68 said:
It's funny that you employ this example, because it mirrors very closely something that actually happened to me. When I was in college at the U, one of my roommate's friends parked (illegally) in our parking lot and blocked me in, when I had to be to work in 45 min. He wasn't there, so I had his car towed so I could get to work. In retribution, he took a giant screwdriver and punctured all 4 of my tires. I watched him do it out the window of my house, along with 2 other roommates. I tried to have him prosecuted, but there was no physical evidence and it got nowhere.

Do I know he did it? Yes, I watched him do it. I still bitch and moan about it to this day (12 years later) that he got away with it scot-free. From a legal perspective, what good does my bitching and moaning do for me? Nothing. It's meaningless. Impotent. Ineffectual. As far as the law is concerned, that d0uchebag slashing my tires never happened. As far as the NCAA is concerned, the Gophers playing in the Final Four never happened.
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Haha that sucks. And I completely understand what you're saying. As far as the NCAA is concerned, it didn't happen. I get it. I'm just saying that what a higher authority says doesn't always match up with reality. Just like your story. Reality is he punctured your tires, as far as the law is concerned, he didn't. Reality and law not matching up once again.
 

Yes, I do know what happened. The Gophers got to the 1997 Final Four by cheating. The first assumption in any athletic competition is that fair play exists. The Gophers weren't playing fair. They were cheating. Had they been playing fair, would they still have gone to the Final Four? Maybe, but we'll never know. That's why it never happened. Getting something by breaking the rules is the same as never getting it at all.
 

Only in Minnesota would we say the final four never happened. I'm sure Michigan fans are insisting they never was a fab five. ULCA if there was a fair playing field would never have had a dynasty. Most fan bases right or wrong could care less what the NCA does after the fact. And the fact is the number of erased records from college basketball and football teams is staggering. I enjoyed watching that 97 team regardless of what the NCCA says. I like most everyone want a clean program but see little reason to think about if the 97 final four happened or not.
 



Can we at least agree that there is a big difference as it pertains to winning basketball games between academic fraud and taking steroids/hgh or recruiting players with blue chips style bags of cash from the booster club?
 

AO54 said:
Can we at least agree that there is a big difference as it pertains to winning basketball games between academic fraud and taking steroids/hgh or recruiting players with blue chips style bags of cash from the booster club?
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Both are cheating, but yes I think there is a difference.
 

AO54 said:
Can we at least agree that there is a big difference as it pertains to winning basketball games between academic fraud and taking steroids/hgh or recruiting players with blue chips style bags of cash from the booster club?
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No. It's a distinction without a difference. All end in players being on the floor and contributing via illegal means.
 

dpodoll68 said:
No. It's a distinction without a difference. All end in players being on the floor and contributing via illegal means.
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There's no difference between writing papers for our mediocre players that they were perfectly capable of writing on their own, and sending bags of cash to recruit Shaq and Penny?
 



I'm not sure about how many papers most of these guys who got cars and cash wrote either. The U was dumb enough to get caught that's for certain. I think most oily programs cheated on all fronts. Academic fraud might be easier to hide then bags of money or cars from a booster. Who knows it may be more common as well. Tubby along with Dan Monsen have seemed to cleaned up our program.Something forgotten at times.
 

AO54 said:
There's no difference between writing papers for our mediocre players that they were perfectly capable of writing on their own, and sending bags of cash to recruit Shaq and Penny?
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Look pal, I'm not going to participate in your therapy session anymore. You can rationalize away the cheating to someone else. Cheating is cheating is cheating. What's the sense in trying to parse out which kind of cheating is worse? What are you trying to achieve other than making Minnesota's cheating seem "less bad"? I'm done.
 

dpodoll68 said:
Look pal, I'm not going to participate in your therapy session anymore. You can rationalize away the cheating to someone else. Cheating is cheating is cheating. What's the sense in trying to parse out which kind of cheating is worse? What are you trying to achieve other than making Minnesota's cheating seem "less bad"? I'm done.
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When you disagree with someone on here do you yell NO! NO! NO! at the top of your lungs and simultaneously slam your fist down on your desk in rage? This is how I picture you.
 

Blackhammer said:
I'm not sure about how many papers most of these guys who got cars and cash wrote either. The U was dumb enough to get caught that's for certain. I think most oily programs cheated on all fronts. Academic fraud might be easier to hide then bags of money or cars from a booster. Who knows it may be more common as well. Tubby along with Dan Monsen have seemed to cleaned up our program.Something forgotten at times.
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Pretty sure we didn't "get caught," Jan Gangelhoff admitted to writing papers for players.
 

Getting back on topic, Rivals mentioned Rashad as one of the best wings from Under Armour's "Are You From Here?" Classic:

"The rosters in Duncanville were full of rising junior guards and wings (10 of them ranked in the top 50 nationally in their class) in addition to Pope. The event featured a nice blend of scorers, athletes, skill guys and combos. One of the best was Minneapolis (Minn.) Robbinsdale Cooper shooting guard Rashad Vaughn of Net Gain Sports. Currently ranked No. 26 nationally, Vaughn is a sharp-shooting, athletic, crafty and clutch off-guard with 6-foot-5 size and excellent length."

http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1370455

Rashad is an enormous talent and it'd be a real shame if he feels slighted by Gopher fans because some seem to give Tyus a lot more credit than him. He could very well be a first round pick in a few years.
 

"2014 SG Rashad Vaughn wants to make visits to #Cyclones, Baylor & West Virginia this summer per @Evan_Flood247 -"

Go Gophers!!
 

BleedGopher said:
"2014 SG Rashad Vaughn wants to make visits to #Cyclones, Baylor & West Virginia this summer per @Evan_Flood247 -"

Go Gophers!!
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Blah Blah Blah - who cares since he's not coming to the U.
 

Parski1 said:
Blah Blah Blah - who cares since he's not coming to the U.
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If he committed right now, I'd be shocked if it was the Gophers, but you never know what a great season can do in terms of swaying recruits. If the Gophers have a great season we'll see what happens.
 

Tweet from HardwoodElite:

"The more I watch Rashad Vaughn the more I think we have him ranked too low. Size, skill, athleticism, competitiveness. Got it all."

Go Gophers!!
 

BleedGopher said:
Tweet from HardwoodElite:

"The more I watch Rashad Vaughn the more I think we have him ranked too low. Size, skill, athleticism, competitiveness. Got it all."

Go Gophers!!
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I will be very upset if we don't end up with Vaughn. This is exactly the sort of kid we need to be getting if we want a future as a contender in the Big Ten.
 

If the Gophers as a team have a great year and you also see a guy like Austin and/or Rodney continue to develop, I think that will put us in solid position to land Rashad. Just have to prove that the coaching staff can develop wings and win games.
 

GophersOnTheRise said:
If the Gophers as a team have a great year and you also see a guy like Austin and/or Rodney continue to develop, I think that will put us in solid position to land Rashad. Just have to prove that the coaching staff can develop wings and win games.
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We have to have a very good this year. We also cannot have a lousy recruiting class this fall. These guys want to play with other similar talent and win big.
 

we had no chance to sign olberding,mchale,pryzbilla, rickert, humphries so why would we have much of a chance to sign vaughn or jones with tubby at the helm
 

2012 NBPA Top 100 Camp begins (Vaughn) (link)

"Is Vaughn ready to take the leap?

Over Memorial Day weekend, 6-foot-5 shooting guard Rashad Vaughn had a breakout showing at Under Armour's Are You From Here classic. Most likely, it was his performance at that event that secured his invitation to the NBPA Camp.

Already ranked No. 26 in the class of 2014, it's time to see if the four-star prospect from Minneapolis (Minn.) Robbinsdale Cooper is ready to take the next step. Vaughn has the size, shooting range, athleticism and scoring instincts to make a move up the rankings in his class, and his performance at the NBPA Camp could go a long way toward determining whether he remains a high four-star prospect or moves into the five-star range.
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http://minnesota.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1375336
 

Rashad was listed as a player to watch from the NBPA Top 100 Camp.

"He is an athletic wing who has really improved as an outside shooter. He has solid range to 20 feet and has improved his total game over the last year. Vaughn has a solid body and is a strong slasher to the basket going right. He should be a quick riser in the national rankings, as he is starting to realize his vast potential. He's considering Minnesota, Arizona State, Baylor, Colorado, Michigan State, Georgetown, Michigan, Wisconsin, Iowa, Iowa State and others."

http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/ncbrecruiting/national/post?id=2394
 



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