President Eric Kaler announces search plan for new University of Minnesota AD

I always get a chuckle out of reading the standard responses people have to anything having to do with women's athletics. One woman (who gave $10,000 to the new stadium) who believes in gender equity is on the search panel and all the old men piss their pants.

Wait until you actually see what happens before saying the sky is falling. Or, overreact and sound like sexist dinosaurs. Either way.

We saw what happened the first time. Joel Maturi. Some of us are ready for a change. I know that you are much wiser and more enlightened, but that isn't winning us any games.
 

We saw what happened the first time. Joel Maturi. Some of us are ready for a change. I know that you are much wiser and more enlightened, but that isn't winning us any games.

And you are getting a change. They haven't even brought in a candidate yet and you are already flipping out because of the presence of one person on the search panel who cares about women's athletics. Since you seem to have forgotten, let me remind you that the AD represents women's athletics also.

Solid insult, by the way. You are mocking a rational take on why the inclusion of a women's sports proponent is important on the search committee that represents, among other things, women's sports by sarcastically calling me "wise and enlightened." You appear to be unclear on the definition of irony.
 

Are you all kidding me? This is a joke right? I'm sorry, I forgot that women aren't allowed out of the kitchen anymore. Stop being bigoted jerks and respect her. She is an amazing woman with a profound knowledge and understanding of sports in society. All I hear is that it's such a pain to allow women to participate. Why can't women sports become a money generator? Oh that's right, society tells us that only men are good at sports, and only money matters. We have more female athletes than male athletes at this university and she deserves this spot. Get your minds in the right place and think outside of yourselves. It's not about equality, but equity. Look it up. It's not 1968 anymore.

Should we all hold hands and sing songs around the campfire too? Get a f'ing clue......
 

And you are getting a change. They haven't even brought in a candidate yet and you are already flipping out because of the presence of one person on the search panel who cares about women's athletics. Since you seem to have forgotten, let me remind you that the AD represents women's athletics also.

Solid insult, by the way. You are mocking a rational take on why the inclusion of a women's sports proponent is important on the search committee that represents, among other things, women's sports by sarcastically calling me "wise and enlightened." You appear to be unclear on the definition of irony.
We're getting one of the head decision makers back again. That's a concern. A RATIONAL concern. Unless you care about our director's cup standing. I don't. I would gladly trade one Rose Bowl berth if it meant we finished in last place in every single non revenue sport. Hire an associate AD to be caretaker for the non rev sports. Let's get a big time AD who is 100% focused on the revenue sports and making them a winner. We've had 50+ years of your way. Now get out of the way and let's get someone in here who knows how to build a winner. And frankly, I have a sneaking suspicion that this lady is one of the reasons we can't get rid of Borton.
 

We're getting one of the head decision makers back again. That's a concern. A RATIONAL concern. Unless you care about our director's cup standing. I don't. I would gladly trade one Rose Bowl berth if it meant we finished in last place in every single non revenue sport. Hire an associate AD to be caretaker for the non rev sports. Let's get a big time AD who is 100% focused on the revenue sports and making them a winner. We've had 50+ years of your way. Now get out of the way and let's get someone in here who knows how to build a winner. And frankly, I have a sneaking suspicion that this lady is one of the reasons we can't get rid of Borton.

Nice! Sneaking suspicions! Conspiracy theories!

I also love you calling it "my way." The difference between us is that I am not blaming women's athletics for the failings of the football team. It is always easier to digest things when you have easily accessible scapegoats, however, so I get why you might want to do that.
 


Nice! Sneaking suspicions! Conspiracy theories!

I also love you calling it "my way." The difference between us is that I am not blaming women's athletics for the failings of the football team. It is always easier to digest things when you have easily accessible scapegoats, however, so I get why you might want to do that.

Where did I blame women's athletics? You see what you want to see my friend. Our enlightened leaders of the U have run things with an agenda for some time. Kaler brought the promise of a president who finally gets it. If he wants to have the kind of University he wants, winning revenue sports can be the ticket. The inclusion of this woman with her stated agenda is a concern, nothing more.
 

Where did I blame women's athletics? You see what you want to see my friend. Our enlightened leaders of the U have run things with an agenda for some time. Kaler brought the promise of a president who finally gets it. If he wants to have the kind of University he wants, winning revenue sports can be the ticket. The inclusion of this woman with her stated agenda is a concern, nothing more.
She also supports football, unless giving $10,000 was just a ploy to make us think she cares about football.
 


Are you all kidding me? This is a joke right? I'm sorry, I forgot that women aren't allowed out of the kitchen anymore. Stop being bigoted jerks and respect her. She is an amazing woman with a profound knowledge and understanding of sports in society. All I hear is that it's such a pain to allow women to participate. Why can't women sports become a money generator? Oh that's right, society tells us that only men are good at sports, and only money matters. We have more female athletes than male athletes at this university and she deserves this spot. Get your minds in the right place and think outside of yourselves. It's not about equality, but equity. Look it up. It's not 1968 anymore.

Wow, you told them. Anyone that uses the term "bigoted jerks" usually doesn't want to have a discussion. I see you don't.

To all: in the end, it will be Kaler's call and Kaler's only. There will be one finalist, and one finalist of his choosing. I have supreme confidence in the man to make the right choice.

Yeah, I said man, because he is one, by the way. Hope I didn't offend.
 



Talk about bureaucratic nonsense. Do we need that many people on the committee and sub committee's?
 

We're getting one of the head decision makers back again. That's a concern. A RATIONAL concern. Unless you care about our director's cup standing. I don't. I would gladly trade one Rose Bowl berth if it meant we finished in last place in every single non revenue sport. Hire an associate AD to be caretaker for the non rev sports. Let's get a big time AD who is 100% focused on the revenue sports and making them a winner. We've had 50+ years of your way. Now get out of the way and let's get someone in here who knows how to build a winner. And frankly, I have a sneaking suspicion that this lady is one of the reasons we can't get rid of Borton.

Well, I know myself -- and I'll bet thousands of other former alumni and athletes -- DO CARE about the non-revenue sports (and yes the directors cup), in addition to wanting to see a championship level Football program. They are not mutually exclusive. Success breeds success. So, I hope the University hires an AD that is fully committed to all of our athletic programs, which is in line with the mission of the university.
 


Well, I know myself -- and I'll bet thousands of other former alumni and athletes -- DO CARE about the non-revenue sports (and yes the directors cup), in addition to wanting to see a championship level Football program. They are not mutually exclusive. Success breeds success. So, I hope the University hires an AD that is fully committed to all of our athletic programs, which is in line with the mission of the university.
I dont' wish ill on the non rev sports. If you care about them, support them. They may or may not be mutually exclusive. But 50 years of mediocrity means it's time for a change in approach. Sorry that this is so offensive to you.
 



Well, I know myself -- and I'll bet thousands of other former alumni and athletes -- DO CARE about the non-revenue sports (and yes the directors cup), in addition to wanting to see a championship level Football program. They are not mutually exclusive. Success breeds success. So, I hope the University hires an AD that is fully committed to all of our athletic programs, which is in line with the mission of the university.

+1,000 All sorts of schools have programs that are strong in both revenue and non-revenue sports. No reason the University can't do the same thing. Bad decisions and poor coaching hires are a hell of a lot more to blame than the very original rowing team scapegoat. Kane gives money to the football stadium and is quoted about how much she enjoys the game, and the deep thinkers are convinced we're doomed.
 

I dont' wish ill on the non rev sports. If you care about them, support them. They may or may not be mutually exclusive. But 50 years of mediocrity means it's time for a change in approach. Sorry that this is so offensive to you.

So the mediocrity precedes Title IX?
 

On another note...whether it's a "window dressing" type of recognition or not, I am quite happy to see that Marquis Gray is on this committee, if for no reason than I think it speaks to the character and growth that he has exhibited since he first committed to the "U". After he wasn't initially admitted into the university because of questions of his ACT scores, I figured he would be another promising athlete left by the wayside, likely never to step foot onto the campus. Regardless of your feelings towards his football abilities, he seems to be an admirable young man and one that U of M fans should be proud of.
 

So the mediocrity precedes Title IX?

The mediocrity is consistent with an administration that wished to de-emphasize, and in many cases, wished to outright eliminate the football program, and at other times has sought to put it on the same plane as women's rowing. That is going back to the 50s. Sorry, are you a gopher football fan or not? My lord, it's no wonder we've been so mediocre.
 

Yes, the mediocrity of the team has nothing to do with failed hiring of coaches.
 

The mediocrity is consistent with an administration that wished to de-emphasize, and in many cases, wished to outright eliminate the football program, and at other times has sought to put it on the same plane as women's rowing. That is going back to the 50s. Sorry, are you a gopher football fan or not? My lord, it's no wonder we've been so mediocre.

That is all in the past. What does that have to do with the present situation. Setting back women's sports to satisfy your football man crush is out of line. Football can and will get better, but not at the price of disobeying the law. If we show the feds we don't care for women's sports, they will pull funding for more than I care to imagine. And, that is why you are completely irrational about this. Women's rowing is on an equal plane as football because the law demands it. The penalties are the withdrawal of federal funds for projects and fines. The administration did not "de-emphasize" football, but did like all universities and colleges did instead -- obey the law or lose federal status.
 


We can absolutely have great NR sports programs here at the U.
Our AD should demand excellence and give support to all programs big and small,
BUT
As Section2 said, a change in approach is desperately needed.
Kane helped to hire Maturi. That in itself is troubling. His approach was damaging and self defeating.

I was somewhat encouraged by her most recent quotes stating basically that the situation has changed and the U is in a new universe as far as what they need.

If our new AD is anything at all like Joel Maturi, we are doomed for another decade.
 

We can absolutely have great NR sports programs here at the U.
Our AD should demand excellence and give support to all programs big and small,
BUT
As Section2 said, a change in approach is desperately needed.
Kane helped to hire Maturi. That in itself is troubling. His approach was damaging and self defeating.

I was somewhat encouraged by her most recent quotes stating basically that the situation has changed and the U is in a new universe as far as what they need.

If our new AD is anything at all like Joel Maturi, we are doomed for another decade.
Thank you Ole, well stated. That's all I'm saying. Her decision to hire Joel is a bit of a concern, and more troubling is the methodology she employed to arrive at that decision. I don't want to weaken women's sports (how could you?), or get rid of them. I just want our focus to be on turning around the football program. That should be everyone's number 1 goal. And there's nothing wrong with making it number 1, and not pretending that women's soccer is just as important.
 

We can absolutely have great NR sports programs here at the U.
Our AD should demand excellence and give support to all programs big and small,
BUT
As Section2 said, a change in approach is desperately needed.
Kane helped to hire Maturi. That in itself is troubling. His approach was damaging and self defeating.

I was somewhat encouraged by her most recent quotes stating basically that the situation has changed and the U is in a new universe as far as what they need.

If our new AD is anything at all like Joel Maturi, we are doomed for another decade.

Maybe it was that way 10 years ago and the U is just now realizing it.

Time to be a leader, not a follower.
 

NR sports are great. But the big boys have to be the forefront as they drive donations, funding, interest and applications even
 

Thank you Ole, well stated. That's all I'm saying. Her decision to hire Joel is a bit of a concern, and more troubling is the methodology she employed to arrive at that decision. I don't want to weaken women's sports (how could you?), or get rid of them. I just want our focus to be on turning around the football program. That should be everyone's number 1 goal. And there's nothing wrong with making it number 1, and not pretending that women's soccer is just as important.

You had me nodding yes all the way up to "pretending women's soccer is just as important." It isn't a fan sport. It does not generate revenue. Is it important that these women participate in an athletic scholarship program? Yes. Do they cost the U as much as a football scholarship. Not even close. Their risk to injury profile is significantly less. 19 of the 20 athletes are from Minnesota. There are 4 staff members supporting the team. Is this such an extravagant expense that we can not afford it as a University? What I like about this program is that it supports Minnesotan's. It offers opportunity to these women opportunity to be champions of the University. This is a life long value to the University. They become ambassadors of the University and are likely to remain outspoken about the U for their remaining days. The return for that is maybe not obvious to you, but I bet the social return on investment outweighs the cost of the program. The benefit of the program is generally along these lines: benefit of school achievement -- higher future income. Benefit of reduced use of alcohol, tobacco and illegal drug use. Higher lifetime taxes paid. Lower crime rate. Improved health outcomes. Reduced need for social services. Greater participation in civic engaged societies. The list goes on and on. But, in your world, these outcomes don't matter as long as football needs succeed. I think if we measure football and basketball against women's soccer, the women will end up contributing more and taking less from society in terms of social costs. The return on investment is likely to be higher with them than the men's side. The men have a long way to go to make up for their higher incarceration rates, higher rates of alcoholism, family abuse and the like that football players exhibit in higher levels than these soccer players. So, lets keep it in perspective. I would rather fund women's soccer because it returns to me more in value than not funding women's soccer.
 

You had me nodding yes all the way up to "pretending women's soccer is just as important." It isn't a fan sport. It does not generate revenue. Is it important that these women participate in an athletic scholarship program? Yes. Do they cost the U as much as a football scholarship. Not even close. Their risk to injury profile is significantly less. 19 of the 20 athletes are from Minnesota. There are 4 staff members supporting the team. Is this such an extravagant expense that we can not afford it as a University? What I like about this program is that it supports Minnesotan's. It offers opportunity to these women opportunity to be champions of the University. This is a life long value to the University. They become ambassadors of the University and are likely to remain outspoken about the U for their remaining days. The return for that is maybe not obvious to you, but I bet the social return on investment outweighs the cost of the program. The benefit of the program is generally along these lines: benefit of school achievement -- higher future income. Benefit of reduced use of alcohol, tobacco and illegal drug use. Higher lifetime taxes paid. Lower crime rate. Improved health outcomes. Reduced need for social services. Greater participation in civic engaged societies. The list goes on and on. But, in your world, these outcomes don't matter as long as football needs succeed. I think if we measure football and basketball against women's soccer, the women will end up contributing more and taking less from society in terms of social costs. The return on investment is likely to be higher with them than the men's side. The men have a long way to go to make up for their higher incarceration rates, higher rates of alcoholism, family abuse and the like that football players exhibit in higher levels than these soccer players. So, lets keep it in perspective. I would rather fund women's soccer because it returns to me more in value than not funding women's soccer.
I think you're reading in to "not as important." Not as important doesn't automatically mean "cut sports" or "cut funding". It simply means that the AD's actions and attention should focus most strongly on the revenue generating programs, starting with FB. The problem people had with Maturi is that while he may have understood this distinction, he didn't act in a way that showed it.

You're overreaction (Since Section2 had already stated that he did not mean weaken or cutting NR/women's sports) simply highlights the delicate path the new AD will be forced to tread.
 

Like Mulligan said above, the whole purpose of the committee is to let people feel that they have a voice. It's also a smokescreen for the public to talk about who's on it, what their agendas may be, etc, etc. Make no mistake though, at the end of the process, this decision is Kaler's alone. He will bear responsbility (good or bad) for this hire, and will forever be linked to it.
 

Like Mulligan said above, the whole purpose of the committee is to let people feel that they have a voice. It's also a smokescreen for the public to talk about who's on it, what their agendas may be, etc, etc. Make no mistake though, at the end of the process, this decision is Kaler's alone. He will bear responsbility (good or bad) for this hire, and will forever be linked to it.

Bingo. Throw 75 people on the committee if it makes all the various groups feel included. In the end, it will be LARGELY the decision of Pres Kaler, as it should be.
 

You had me nodding yes all the way up to "pretending women's soccer is just as important." It isn't a fan sport. It does not generate revenue. Is it important that these women participate in an athletic scholarship program? Yes. Do they cost the U as much as a football scholarship. Not even close. Their risk to injury profile is significantly less. 19 of the 20 athletes are from Minnesota. There are 4 staff members supporting the team. Is this such an extravagant expense that we can not afford it as a University? What I like about this program is that it supports Minnesotan's. It offers opportunity to these women opportunity to be champions of the University. This is a life long value to the University. They become ambassadors of the University and are likely to remain outspoken about the U for their remaining days. The return for that is maybe not obvious to you, but I bet the social return on investment outweighs the cost of the program. The benefit of the program is generally along these lines: benefit of school achievement -- higher future income. Benefit of reduced use of alcohol, tobacco and illegal drug use. Higher lifetime taxes paid. Lower crime rate. Improved health outcomes. Reduced need for social services. Greater participation in civic engaged societies. The list goes on and on. But, in your world, these outcomes don't matter as long as football needs succeed. I think if we measure football and basketball against women's soccer, the women will end up contributing more and taking less from society in terms of social costs. The return on investment is likely to be higher with them than the men's side. The men have a long way to go to make up for their higher incarceration rates, higher rates of alcoholism, family abuse and the like that football players exhibit in higher levels than these soccer players. So, lets keep it in perspective. I would rather fund women's soccer because it returns to me more in value than not funding women's soccer.
Question, if Joel Maturi had never spent one single second visiting the players, shaking their hands at halftime of a football game, etc, and had literally handed off the oversight of the women's soccer program to an associate AD, would that change ANY of the things you listed? And further, if it's such a no brainer, why don't we have 10,000 "athletes" at the U playing some kind of sport? If the economics are such a no brainer, and the return is so incredible, surely this is scalable, and why hasn't anyone tried?
 

Well, frankly, people have and stuck there money into it in large amounts, namely the Wilder Foundation at younger levels, like 4H, and other clubs. Far be it for me to suggest that the state hasn't debated this at various levels. But, the reality is you can not fund 10,000 soccer players because what other states do is out of our hands. But, in Minnesota, there are 3 levels of NCAA programs that have women's soccer. Not all of them are scholarship players, but the correlation still applies and so does the social return on investment. There are 20 Division 3 colleges in Minnesota. 9 division 2 and 1 D1. That is 30 programs with the potential of having 40 women participate in each, or 1200 women. Choose your college and donate to their program.
 




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