Shedeur Sanders’ Slide in NFL Draft Cost Him $44 Million

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oleboy41 said:
Mentioning Whitlock and Jemelle Hill in the same sentence is wild as they're polar opposites.

Also, while I don't personally think race was much of a factor in the Sanders situation, the folks that somehow manage to act offended at the suggestion that race is an issue are hilarious to me. They get way more up in arms about the idea of unfounded accusations of racism than they do about the actual factual racism and affects of it that are all over the place.

Also, all those

All these guys played before the mock draft boom and before social media. Also pretty much all of these guys had known and obvious weaknesses everyone knew about and most played in offenses that weren't considered pro style. So no offense but that's kind of a weak argument. The reality is that this was more about the mock draft media than anything else. And the truth is that however you want to label it, Sanders being a brash, cocky, jewelry wearing black kid was seen as a 'flag' for a lot of folks. What roll it played in NFL teams evaluations is impossible to tell. What I will say is that it's clear he has real physical limitations and that's the biggest, most obvious factor in him being a late round pick
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I get what you are oleboy, but I do think that outrage or taking massive offense to a charge of racism is natural. It’s a serious thing to allege(as it should be) that can ruin people whether it is true or not.

But I don’t really think race was much of a factor in Sanders case. I think that many “experts” and mock drafters spent well over a year pretending to know what the NFL thought of Sanders and they were way off. And those folks hate it when the curtain gets pulled back on the fact that were really just guessing.
 

WoodburyTim said:
I get what you are oleboy, but I do think that outrage or taking massive offense to a charge of racism is natural. It’s a serious thing to allege(as it should be) that can ruin people whether it is true or not.

But I don’t really think race was much of a factor in Sanders case. I think that many “experts” and mock drafters spent well over a year pretending to know what the NFL thought of Sanders and they were way off. And those folks hate it when the curtain gets pulled back on the fact that were really just guessing.
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I don't think the NFL took race into consideration. I think the NFL will draft anyone high they thing will win games. It's more the media reaction calling it racism. NFL does not care. There are plenty of black QBs in the league and most of them don't act like complete jackasses.
 

WoodburyTim said:
I think there will always be polarizing because of his playing style. Manziel being the other glaring example. The scrambling gunslinger is fun to watch and very effective in college and it makes sense that we want that style to be effective in the NFL, but it just isn’t.
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I think running QBs seem like they give you more "options" on the surface, but generally running QBs are running around because they couldn't find an option... and that's not really a good thing.
 


mcrow47 said:
I don't think the NFL took race into consideration. I think the NFL will draft anyone high they thing will win games. It's more the media reaction calling it racism. NFL does not care. There are plenty of black QBs in the league and most of them don't act like complete jackasses.
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The NFL cares about money and winning. You can always count on that.
 


oleboy41 said:
And the truth is that however you want to label it, Sanders being a brash, cocky, jewelry wearing black kid was seen as a 'flag' for a lot of folks. What roll it played in NFL teams evaluations is impossible to tell. What I will say is that it's clear he has real physical limitations and that's the biggest, most obvious factor in him being a late round pick
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What you mention here may certainly be an issue for some people but the NFL will overlook all of that if they think a kid can play.

Now you combine a bad attitude with some ability but not top flight talent and you get a 5th round draft pick
 

mcrow47 said:
There are plenty of black QBs in the league and most of them don't act like complete jackasses.
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You could have simplified that sentence to read: "There are plenty of QBs in the league and most of them don't act like complete jackasses."
 

A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
I think running QBs seem like they give you more "options" on the surface, but generally running QBs are running around because they couldn't find an option... and that's not really a good thing.
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Yeah in the NFL you have to be able to throw. You get guys like Jackson and Daniels who can really be threats on the ground or guys like Hurts and Allen who are essentially goal line backs when their team gets down there......but for the most part running QBs just don't last long in the NFL.
 

Unregistered User said:
You could have simplified that sentence to read: "There are plenty of QBs in the league and most of them don't act like complete jackasses."
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I think his point is that it's not likely racism if nobody has a problem picking up black QBs generally.
 



A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
I think his point is that it's not likely racism if nobody has a problem picking up black QBs generally.
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Yes, there were people in the media saying the NFL doesn't like black culture trying to put off Sanders behavior as being normal black behavior. My point that it is not and you can see how the other QBs who happen to be black conduct themselves as proof it's not normal. It was being made out they're hating on him for being a black man. But when I look at Lamar Jackson and the others in the league, this is not how they acted. This is a Sanders being a privileged jackass issue, not a race issue. And as you said, I don't think there's any case to be made that black players are being held back from being QBs anymore.
 

WoodburyTim said:
I get what you are oleboy, but I do think that outrage or taking massive offense to a charge of racism is natural. It’s a serious thing to allege(as it should be) that can ruin people whether it is true or not.

But I don’t really think race was much of a factor in Sanders case. I think that many “experts” and mock drafters spent well over a year pretending to know what the NFL thought of Sanders and they were way off. And those folks hate it when the curtain gets pulled back on the fact that were really just guessing.
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Ehhhhh. I think that's an overly generous outlook to give to a society that has in no way, shape or form earned it. A society that has categorically proven to only address racism when the very thing you speak of happens: People making loud, constant accusations of it. There has literally never been a time when racist practices have been shifted without it. So when people get up in arms about accusations of racism, I often wonder if they realize that these are literally the same reactions that every generation has had towards them albeit on different scales. Anytime black americans in particular point these things out they are always met with pushback both from the hardcore racists as well as the 'moderates'. Those folks who don't intentionally engage in racism but tend to respond negatively to the idea that it actually exists. I seriously doubt people who reacted negatively to the idea that there were racial implications were doing so out of concern for the well being of the highly paid coaches of the NFL who they advocate to be fired whenever they don't like their playcalling. They don't like it because it's often a potential mirror into their own true thoughts and most folks don't want to take too close of a look. In my humble opinion.
 

MNVCGUY said:
What you mention here may certainly be an issue for some people but the NFL will overlook all of that if they think a kid can play.

Now you combine a bad attitude with some ability but not top flight talent and you get a 5th round draft pick
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I think its way more about the gifts than the attitude. I'm not sure what he's done that makes anyone label him as having a truly bad attitude. He's cocky, he celebrates, and he's unapologetic. But so are tons of QBs.
 

MNVCGUY said:
Yeah in the NFL you have to be able to throw. You get guys like Jackson and Daniels who can really be threats on the ground or guys like Hurts and Allen who are essentially goal line backs when their team gets down there......but for the most part running QBs just don't last long in the NFL.
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oleboy41 said:
Ehhhhh. I think that's an overly generous outlook to give to a society that has in no way, shape or form earned it. A society that has categorically proven to only address racism when the very thing you speak of happens: People making loud, constant accusations of it. There has literally never been a time when racist practices have been shifted without it. So when people get up in arms about accusations of racism, I often wonder if they realize that these are literally the same reactions that every generation has had towards them albeit on different scales. Anytime black americans in particular point these things out they are always met with pushback both from the hardcore racists as well as the 'moderates'. Those folks who don't intentionally engage in racism but tend to respond negatively to the idea that it actually exists. I seriously doubt people who reacted negatively to the idea that there were racial implications were doing so out of concern for the well being of the highly paid coaches of the NFL who they advocate to be fired whenever they don't like their playcalling. They don't like it because it's often a potential mirror into their own true thoughts and most folks don't want to take too close of a look. In my humble opinion.
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Hmm okay. Well I think every person regardless of color deserves to be judged on their own actions and merits. I don't think we are going to agree on that, so might be best to end this conversation now and call it a day.
 

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