All Things 2024 Minnesota Vikings Off-Season Thread

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short ornery norwegian said:
from The Athletic: ([posted at about 11:20am CDT Sunday)

It's a big night in Minnesota. The Vikings are expected to hear from Kirk Cousins as to his free agency decision, sources tell Dianna Russini and Alec Lewis. Minnesota will have until Wednesday when his contract voids to extend Cousins before his dead cap officially hits.
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Tomorrow at noon is the official start of legal tampering.

Cousins and his agent aren't allowed to talk to other teams until then. That's when they're officially allowed to find out what other teams are offering.
 


Ope3 said:
Well I didn't.
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Well, disagree, but moving on since you're clarifying now ...

Ope3 said:
Over 5 decades of failure in which Henry Clay was in charge. He passed, and the widow kept the status quo for a few years. Then change.
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OK. Now I think it's correct.

Ope3 said:
If the Lions follow up this season by having a decade without any playoff victories and mostly missing the playoffs entirely would this regime be deemed "a success"?

Over time, I don't think it would any more than when they advanced that ONE time to the NFC Championship in the early 90s with Sanders. It would be simply lamented as a huge missed opportunity.
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So your definition of success seems to be evolving.

The Wilfs are top 2 owners in the league. That much is objective.
 

MplsGopher said:
Tomorrow at noon is the official start of legal tampering.

Cousins and his agent aren't allowed to talk to other teams until then. That's when they're officially allowed to find out what other teams are offering.
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Yes - but the Vikings can talk to Cousins. the post from the Athletic said that Cousins plans to tell the Vikings his plans today. in other words, Cousins could say "I'm going to listen to other offers" or "I'm not going to listen to other offers."

and I'm sure that every agent in the NFL is scrupulous about observing the rules - so no back-channel discussions have taken place and no offers have been exchanged unofficially.
 

short ornery norwegian said:
Yes - but the Vikings can talk to Cousins. the post from the Athletic said that Cousins plans to tell the Vikings his plans today. in other words, Cousins could say "I'm going to listen to other offers" or "I'm not going to listen to other offers."
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OK. That makes sense.

I just don’t see how him saying the former is the end all be all. He can listen all day Mon and Tues and we have until 3pm (Central) to make a better offer.

Media and folks on here can try to play it like “that’s because Vikings have made final offer, they know what other teams are going to offer and they will not match.” Fine, but it’s not over until the fat lady sings.

People can and do have changes of mind when the bell is actually tolling.

short ornery norwegian said:
and I'm sure that every agent in the NFL is scrupulous about observing the rules - so no back-channel discussions have taken place and no offers have been exchanged unofficially.
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Haha, you and everyone clearly knows they do. :cool:
 


MplsGopher said:
Tomorrow at noon is the official start of legal tampering.

Cousins and his agent aren't allowed to talk to other teams until then. That's when they're officially allowed to find out what other teams are offering.
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That noon eastern, 11 am central.
 






I'd say several teams were asleep at the wheel. Mac Jones for a 6th round pic???
The guy can play...top 10 QB? probably not but a quality starter with some confidence and an offensive coordinator. When you name the defensive coordinator the OC there might be some inferior results. I do think he could elevate his play beyond Cousins level.
He was arguably good as a rookie with a passer rating of 92. Coaching has him digressing.
Florio
 
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60's Guy said:
I'd say several teams were asleep at the wheel. Mac Jones for a 6th round pic???
The guy can play...top 10 QB? probably not but a quality starter with some confidence and an offensive coordinator. When you name the defensive coordinator the OC there might be some inferior results. I do think he could elevate his play beyond Cousins level.
He was arguably good as a rookie with a passer rating of 92. Coaching has him digressing.
Florio
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I just saw/heard that as well, although I thought it was a 5th and a 6th, but whatever.

Talent-wise, I would have absolutely done that for the Vikings but just too much noise with how he is in the locker room. By all accounts he was just not a well-liked guy, did not endear himself to his teammates. Sure, maybe he's been humbled in the last year or two and he could turn it around.

Same with Zach Wilson; I wouldn't hate the Vikings taking a flyer on Wilson but it just doesn't sound like he has his head on straight, or at least he didn't the first few years in NYJ.

I would expect we'll hear about Cousins by mid-afternoon tomorrow (Monday), but I guess it could drag later. I think tomorrow is when it happens.

I have to believe in the impatience and impulsiveness of Arthur Blank and that FO in Atlanta. They stepped on their dicks by taking skill position players in the 1st round the last 3 years in a row; Pitts, Drake London and Bijan, and no QB at the helm to run the ship. That kinda seems to me like they are pot-committed and have no choice.

For Cousins, it will be all about who gives him the longest guaranteed deal. I give it about 65-35 that Atlanta caves and gives him that 3rd year.
 



Ogee Ogilthorpe said:
I just saw/heard that as well, although I thought it was a 5th and a 6th, but whatever.

Talent-wise, I would have absolutely done that for the Vikings but just too much noise with how he is in the locker room. By all accounts he was just not a well-liked guy, did not endear himself to his teammates. Sure, maybe he's been humbled in the last year or two and he could turn it around.

Same with Zach Wilson; I wouldn't hate the Vikings taking a flyer on Wilson but it just doesn't sound like he has his head on straight, or at least he didn't the first few years in NYJ.

I would expect we'll hear about Cousins by mid-afternoon tomorrow (Monday), but I guess it could drag later. I think tomorrow is when it happens.

I have to believe in the impatience and impulsiveness of Arthur Blank and that FO in Atlanta. They stepped on their dicks by taking skill position players in the 1st round the last 3 years in a row; Pitts, Drake London and Bijan, and no QB at the helm to run the ship. That kinda seems to me like they are pot-committed and have no choice.

For Cousins, it will be all about who gives him the longest guaranteed deal. I give it about 65-35 that Atlanta caves and gives him that 3rd year.
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Nice for Cousind to have Baker’s deal done before his; he ain’t taking less than Mayfield.
 
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Sometimes I wish there was a salary cap for the QB and the linemen. That will tell the linemen how much the QB respects the linemen when he takes the majority of the money.
 


gophersfan said:
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Wow. Didn't see that coming. There goes one of the better chances of Fields to land, and that takes away one big option if the Vikings don't keep Kirk.

For the Vikings, I'm warming up to the strategy of a reclamation project; Zach Wilson, Darnold, or hell even Trey Lance, paired with drafting a QB early, provided they love one of those guys at the top of the draft.

That being said, I can definitely see Tannehill ending up with the Vikings, along with a drafted QB
 


There was purposefully no leak about what was discussed yesterday, by either the Vikings or Cousin’s agent. Or we would’ve heard about it from every media talking head that exist.

Pelisero didn’t have jack S. Threw out a nothingburger.


I actually think that could be a good thing. With the bell tolling, minds can change.

Let’s hope so
 


MplsGopher said:
The Wilfs are top 2 owners in the league. That much is objective.
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Success is not an objective entity. That should be obvious. Success can be various levels, relative to other aspects, in the eye of the beholder and evolving.

The Lions accomplishments when compared to what they have done for over half a century, sure that's a "success". If they don't make it to the Super Bowl in the future, I think history would deem it as a failed opportunity. I don't think many view Wayne Fontes as a "success".

The Vikings 2 of the last 3 times they made it to the NFC Championship, the Head Coaches (Denny Green & Brad Childress) then never won another Playoff game. They never even made it to the Playoffs (with any team). In fact both were fired during the next regular season. Those don't seem like a "success" to me. There was nothing sustainable.

I'm sure there are 49ers fans that would not view 2023 going to the Super Bowl as a "success". Been there done that with winning the NFC Championship, twice prior in the last 11 years. Super Bowl drought now more than 30 years. Clock ticking on their QB with a rookie contract. Vets a year older. Salary cap issues. Tomorrow is promised to nobody.

This survey in which the Wilfs scored high that you view as a "success", that's your prerogative. Nothing more than that. The correlation to success on the field is dubious at best.
 





*** Greenard gets 4/$76M from Vikings
*** Pittman staying with Colts
*** Swift to Bears
*** Pollard to Titans
*** Bakhtiari released by Packers and Campbell also expected to be let go
 

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