Sid thinks Fisch is gone

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We have no idea what Fisch prefers, NFL or college. And even maybe that has slightly changed given the year he just went through. Maybe he really does love coaching young kids and seeing them grow, or maybe he is frustrated by this past season (i.e., lack of execution) and would rather go back to just coaching big-time talent.

Like most jobs it probably depends on if the mgmt situation is right or not, and who he feels comfortable working with. From an outsider's perspective, it would be awful tough to say no to someone like Shanahan.

I'd hate to see him leave after one season. But that's part of college football, and the direction/schemes set forth by the HC need to be followed through by anyone in the coordinator position. I think the scheme change from spread to pro-style is the bigger problem, than coaching turnover.
 

He is on Chicago's list too. Three NFL teams. Gopher fans know football alright!
 

I wish some Brewster haters would write letters to Pete Carroll, the Bears, and Shanny about how Fisch ruined Weber and drove Mike Dunbar's dynamic offense into the ground because I really would love a little continuity on this staff.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
I wish some Brewster haters would write letters to Pete Carroll, the Bears, and Shanny about how Fisch ruined Weber and drove Mike Dunbar's dynamic offense into the ground because I really would love a little continuity on this staff.
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Joke? His offenses may have suceeded elsewhere, but in 08 they were not dynamic. In 07 they were ok, but when a team is protecting a big lead (like many of our opponenets did) they let the short stuff go.

In short, our offense hasn't been consistently dynamic since the days of Barber and Maroney
 

PigAxeJug said:
Joke? His offenses may have suceeded elsewhere, but in 08 they were not dynamic. In 07 they were ok, but when a team is protecting a big lead (like many of our opponenets did) they let the short stuff go.

In short, our offense hasn't been consistently dynamic since the days of Barber and Maroney
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True, but even that Offense vanished when the Gophers were forced to come from behind through the air.
 


PigAxeJug said:
In short, our offense hasn't been consistently dynamic since the days of Barber and Maroney
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There was nothing dynamic about Mason's offenses. It was just run, run, run. If they would have developed a good passing game, they might have contended for a Big 10 title. Never mind, the defense was consistently poor and I don't know that we could have won a title with any of Mason's defenses.
 

I have no inside information, but since we have been hearing these rumors for over a week now and the number of NFL teams interested in him is supposedly up to three now, it seems to me Fisch certainly isn't telling anyone he isn't interested. If he wasn't, these rumors would have been put to bed a while ago.

Whether or not he gets one of the jobs remains to be seen.
 

Actually, after a little negative publicity, Brew may benefit by bringing in someone who will stay awhile and who is comfortable at the college level. When you are 113th of 120 nationally and 11th of 11th in conference, you can go nowhere but up.
 

TCF=UnitedWeStand said:
I have no inside information, but since we have been hearing these rumors for over a week now and the number of NFL teams interested in him is supposedly up to three now, it seems to me Fisch certainly isn't telling anyone he isn't interested. If he wasn't, these rumors would have been put to bed a while ago.

Whether or not he gets one of the jobs remains to be seen.
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Some people believe it's important to interview just for career sake, and leverage.
 



PigAxeJug said:
Joke? His offenses may have suceeded elsewhere, but in 08 they were not dynamic. In 07 they were ok, but when a team is protecting a big lead (like many of our opponenets did) they let the short stuff go.

In short, our offense hasn't been consistently dynamic since the days of Barber and Maroney
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I was being sarcastic.
 


Don't know what he makes now but I'd be shocked if the positions he's being mentioned for don't pay a tad more than the U of M OC position. If that's indeed the case I can't blame him. If it happens it'll be interesting to see what direction Brewster takes...
 

bankonit said:
So Mike Shanahan and Pete Carroll think Jedd Fisch is brilliant, but some of you think he is an idiot? I think I know who's opinion I will side with.
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Brilliant or not, he did not do a good job this season. I liked the signs of what was possible, but ultimately we did not play well offensively for a majority of the year. Whatever the reason (execution, complexity of offense, athletes, playcalling, etc) the buck stops with him and Brew and it didn't come together. I'd like to see what he can do with a second season mostly because I don't see how a brand new OC with a brand new system is supposed to be better. Also, as I said, I liked some of what I saw from Fisch and if he can find a way to get the O executing it I'm excited to see what develops.
 



TCF=UnitedWeStand said:
Maybe, although one year into a three year contract, it wouldn't seem there is a need for leverage at this point.
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The Gophers signed him to a two-year contract that could be worth a total of $650,000. He has a $200,000 base salary from now through Feb. 15, 2010. If he's still on staff as of March 1, 2010, he gets a $125,000 bonus. The second year of the deal calls for a $325,000 salary.

(By the way, that is stolen word-for-word from the Strib article when he was hired.)

Given those terms, he has about $450,000 reasons to stay. NFL position coaches are well-paid, but I find it hard to believe that QB/WR coach in the NFL would make $450,000. It would seem to me, that if he goes, and walks away from that kind of dough, that that bodes poorly for this program.
 

You all are forgetting one major thing: Sid thinks he's gone.

To me that means that Fisch will be back. It's a lock.
 

GoAUpher said:
Brilliant or not, he did not do a good job this season. I liked the signs of what was possible, but ultimately we did not play well offensively for a majority of the year. Whatever the reason (execution, complexity of offense, athletes, playcalling, etc) the buck stops with him and Brew and it didn't come together. I'd like to see what he can do with a second season mostly because I don't see how a brand new OC with a brand new system is supposed to be better. Also, as I said, I liked some of what I saw from Fisch and if he can find a way to get the O executing it I'm excited to see what develops.
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I almost entirely agree with this posting, but I do think some of the initial wording can be a bit misleading. I don't think it's fair to neccesarily make the claim that he didn't do a good job this season (I'm not arguing that he did), I just think it is an unknown.

When you lack talent, it really isn't fair to categorize something as good or poor coaching that laid out the expected results.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
I almost entirely agree with this posting, but I do think some of the initial wording can be a bit misleading. I don't think it's fair to neccesarily make the claim that he didn't do a good job this season (I'm not arguing that he did), I just think it is an unknown.

When you lack talent, it really isn't fair to categorize something as good or poor coaching that laid out the expected results.
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Bob, I get what you're trying to say. But I think you're trying to have it both ways. You can't agree that there were flashes of good play/good things to come and then say the coaching job wasn't subpar. It was subpar, because the team was talented enough to have played substantially better (we all saw that it was possible during the MSU game at at times during other games this season). Saying the grade for the coaching of the O this season unknown is a bit of a cop out. By the important objective measures this season was not a success offensively.

I agree that Fisch's ceiling is unknown, but its not unreasonable to acknowledge that this season wasn't a good one when it came to coaching the offense.
 

bankonit said:
So Mike Shanahan and Pete Carroll think Jedd Fisch is brilliant, but some of you think he is an idiot? I think I know who's opinion I will side with.
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Are you kidding me? You actually believe that means anything? Of course Shanahan is going to say that, Fisch was one of his assistants and he was simply trying to make him look good so he could land another job. I'm sure glad I judge my opinions based on what I see with my own eyes rather than listening to what others have to say.

And when did Pete Carroll ever say Jedd Fisch is brilliant? Please show me that quote, I want to see it.

Jedd Fisch was an unmitigated disaster this year... but oh wait, Mike Shanahan says he's brilliant so we must keep him forever! Get a clue people, and a mind of your own.
 

Bring back the spread option stuff so we can play Gray and move Weber to his natural TE position...Find a spread guru and get him in here!

How anybody would seriously consider Fisch is comical after watching the Gophers offense this past season....Worst offense since the Salem era.
 

Weber does have the hands to play TE. should be considered on some play calls.
 

Moses87 said:
Bring back the spread option stuff so we can play Gray and move Weber to his natural TE position...Find a spread guru and get him in here!

How anybody would seriously consider Fisch is comical after watching the Gophers offense this past season....Worst offense since the Salem era.
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Couldn't agree more. We were on the right track with the spread, Brewster showed absolutely no patience with it. Weber was flourishing in Dunbar's offense as would have Gray. Brewster's ultimate undoing here will be firing Dunbar and switching to the pro style offense under Fisch.
 

DMB123 said:
Couldn't agree more. We were on the right track with the spread, Brewster showed absolutely no patience with it. Weber was flourishing in Dunbar's offense as would have Gray. Brewster's ultimate undoing here will be firing Dunbar and switching to the pro style offense under Fisch.
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You do remember how bad our offense was last year(08) right? It's always amazing how people forget. Dunbar's offense couldn't pick up short yardage conversions, and were incredibly predictable, anyone remember the 3 plays? WR Quick screen,QB read option, and HB sweep.
It wasn't working and we got killed in Big Ten season. You don't run a read option or sweep out of the shotgun when it's 3rd and inches. Dunbar refused to be flexible and implement an under center short yardage package, and therefore was let go. It all starts up front and when 4 of your linemen are in 2 point stances in short yardage situations you've already lost.
 

Ole said:
You do remember how bad our offense was last year(08) right? It's always amazing how people forget. Dunbar's offense couldn't pick up short yardage conversions, and were incredibly predictable, anyone remember the 3 plays? WR Quick screen,QB read option, and HB sweep.
It wasn't working and we got killed in Big Ten season. You don't run a read option or sweep out of the shotgun when it's 3rd and inches. Dunbar refused to be flexible and implement an under center short yardage package, and therefore was let go. It all starts up front and when 4 of your linemen are in 2 point stances in short yardage situations you've already lost.
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Because we had no talent. It's amazing our offense was even that good in '07 and '08 with zero talent. Dunbar is a highly respected OC and had a lot of success at Cal and especially at Northwestern. Please don't compare someone like Fisch who had never been a coordinator before this year to Dunbar who has had years and years of success as an OC.
 

Ole said:
You do remember how bad our offense was last year(08) right? It's always amazing how people forget. Dunbar's offense couldn't pick up short yardage conversions, and were incredibly predictable, anyone remember the 3 plays? WR Quick screen,QB read option, and HB sweep.
It wasn't working and we got killed in Big Ten season. You don't run a read option or sweep out of the shotgun when it's 3rd and inches. Dunbar refused to be flexible and implement an under center short yardage package, and therefore was let go. It all starts up front and when 4 of your linemen are in 2 point stances in short yardage situations you've already lost.
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Tell that to Oregon, Ohio State, WVU, Northwestern and many other schools that do the exact same thing with a lot of success. Tim Tebow didn't take a single snap under center at Florida, worked out pretty well. The idea that you need to be under center on every 3rd and short situation is ridiculous.
 

DMB123 said:
Because we had no talent. It's amazing our offense was even that good in '07 and '08 with zero talent. Dunbar is a highly respected OC and had a lot of success at Cal and especially at Northwestern. Please don't compare someone like Fisch who had never been a coordinator before this year to Dunbar who has had years and years of success as an OC.
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1. The spread will never work as well in the Big 10 as the SEC or Pac 10 because you have to play at least 2-3 games per year in poor weather. Florida hasn't played a game out of the Deep South in 20 years, so running the spread is no problem for them.

It's imperative to be able to run the football and convert short yardage in poor weather games. Unless you have Tim Tebow, converting short yardage out of the spread is a joke. Even OSU runs a hybrid offense for a reason.

2. To run the spread effectively you have to recruit superior speed athletes at virtually every position. No matter how good a recruiter you think Brewster is, that's going to be very difficult here. Michigan and OSU might be able to do it, that doesn't mean Minnesota can.
 

DMB123 said:
Because we had no talent. It's amazing our offense was even that good in '07 and '08 with zero talent. Dunbar is a highly respected OC and had a lot of success at Cal and especially at Northwestern. Please don't compare someone like Fisch who had never been a coordinator before this year to Dunbar who has had years and years of success as an OC.
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I'm comparing Dunbar and Fisch because they were/are both University of Minnesota O-coordinators.
Dunbar had some good games here, but so has Fisch. The difference is Dunbar refused to be flexible in his schemes. He's a spread purist by all accounts, and would not change anything to make up for the talent issues. Fisch was too flexible trying all sorts of personnel and mixing in too many plays. Between a stubborn old coordinator and a green but flexible young guy I'll take the one who is willing to change and grow in his philosophies.

OSU has under center short yardage formations. Oregon and WVU both have a run oriented spread. Dunbar's is not comparable. Northwestern just threw the ball 78 times in a bowl game, they also implemented a short yardage formation that was highlighted on BTN this year. Dunbar refused to do so here.
 

howeda7 said:
1. The spread will never work as well in the Big 10 as the SEC or Pac 10 because you have to play at least 2-3 games per year in poor weather. Florida hasn't played a game out of the Deep South in 20 years, so running the spread is no problem for them.

It's imperative to be able to run the football and convert short yardage in poor weather games. Unless you have Tim Tebow, converting short yardage out of the spread is a joke. Even OSU runs a hybrid offense for a reason.

2. To run the spread effectively you have to recruit superior speed athletes at virtually every position. No matter how good a recruiter you think Brewster is, that's going to be very difficult here. Michigan and OSU might be able to do it, that doesn't mean Minnesota can.
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I disagree completely. I think it's the total opposite. Lou Holtz once said the spread offense is the ultimate equalizer in college football because almost anyone can run it. You don't need a bunch of 4 and 5 star recruits to run the spread, not even close. And please tell me why you can't run the spread in cold weather?
 

howeda7 said:
1. The spread will never work as well in the Big 10 as the SEC or Pac 10 because you have to play at least 2-3 games per year in poor weather. Florida hasn't played a game out of the Deep South in 20 years, so running the spread is no problem for them.

It's imperative to be able to run the football and convert short yardage in poor weather games. Unless you have Tim Tebow, converting short yardage out of the spread is a joke. Even OSU runs a hybrid offense for a reason.

2. To run the spread effectively you have to recruit superior speed athletes at virtually every position. No matter how good a recruiter you think Brewster is, that's going to be very difficult here. Michigan and OSU might be able to do it, that doesn't mean Minnesota can.
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What he just said!:clap:

You can beat equal or lesser teams without great speed (see Purdue and Northwetern) but you'll only beat superior talent with them. I'd only add that you could get around the "superior speed" point by having a great QB. The great ones from High School always have a LOT of big time schools after them. They aren't heading to a school outside of the Top 20 unless it's for geographic or sentimental reasons.
 

If you have a QB that can't be consistant, you could have the best coordinator in the country and he would be run out of town. Agreed that Fisch was learning but he needs at least another yr. and a QB that can hit anopen receiver more than 1 0ut of 5 times. After the Mich St game he didn't look so bad, but he became stupid the next week??????????????
 

DMB123 said:
I disagree completely. I think it's the total opposite. Lou Holtz once said the spread offense is the ultimate equalizer in college football because almost anyone can run it. You don't need a bunch of 4 and 5 star recruits to run the spread, not even close. And please tell me why you can't run the spread in cold weather?
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It can be an equalizer, but only if the defense doesn't match up on the edges, and only if you can run it down their throats once in awhile. Perfect example, the Rose Bowl this year. OSU used a hybrid spread(similar to what Fisch did) and was able to both spread the D out and dominate up front. Oregon ran a run first spread and was beaten up front besides a few big runs.
 

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