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PMWinSTP said:
My thought is that Wisconsin put the amount and terms of the NIL $$ payout in the contract that it had him sign.
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I should hope so. But again that is something you sue over...I doubt he signed a non-compete so blocking his ability to move on is not going to hold up. (the towels at a Holiday Inn Express should be softer)
 

PMWinSTP said:
I never said they were.
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You literally did...

"I mean a contract with the school to play there with the NIL info as part of that contract, so yes, playing there.would be in that contract."

See the problem is Wisconsin isn't who he signed the contract with (or they shouldn't be) the NIL Collective is. The NIL doesn't have the authority to block him from moving. Wisconsin technically does but they don't have a legit reason to since accepting a scholarship and then reneging is allowed under NCAA rules. The argument they seem to be making (and you are backing up) is that he signed to make money playing for us. That contract is not allowed in the NCAA because that is pay for play.

I will say, the one good thing about all of this is it is shining a big spotlight on the stupidity of the system. This is not working.
 
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It just boggles my mind that people who claim the NIL situation and free transfers are ruining college football still manage to invent reasons why Wisconsin should bend over backwards to let some kid out of an agreement he voluntarily signed.

Again...there are a couple dozen Wisconsin players IN THE PORTAL. Wisconsin let them go.

There's obviously some reason they're not, in this case.

And notably, the lawyer this kid hired HASN'T sought legal relief. All he's done is whine to the press.

There's much we don't know, but from all appearances, Wisconsin is absolutely on correct side of this.
 

USAF said:
It just boggles my mind that people who claim the NIL situation and free transfers are ruining college football still manage to invent reasons why Wisconsin should bend over backwards to let some kid out of an agreement he voluntarily signed.

Again...there are a couple dozen Wisconsin players IN THE PORTAL. Wisconsin let them go.

There's obviously some reason they're not, in this case.

And notably, the lawyer this kid hired HASN'T sought legal relief. All he's done is whine to the press.

There's much we don't know, but from all appearances, Wisconsin is absolutely on correct side of this.
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Based on? Because they haven’t released him? They declined to release the records sought from media and have refused to answer questions.

In all reality, if I was Lucas I’d 100% drag my feet on suing and wait until the semester is live. if you win, it’s a big civil lawsuit given they restricted his ability to move. For now all you win is getting put in the portal. Filing a lawsuit also costs money. No idea how much/what the Lucas family has and so putting stock in that it’s not filed given he just hired this guy a few days ago again means next to nothing given the amount of time that takes, especially if you want it well done.

No one has any idea who’s right or wrong because we don’t have the contract. We also have no idea if the kids who are in the portal had signed a contract for next year.
 


upnorthkid said:
You said the NIL was listed in the contract they signed with the school. You can’t do that if it mentions playing
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Dave H said:
You literally did...

"I mean a contract with the school to play there with the NIL info as part of that contract, so yes, playing there.would be in that contract."

See the problem is Wisconsin isn't who he signed the contract with (or they shouldn't be) the NIL Collective is. The NIL doesn't have the authority to block him from moving. Wisconsin technically does but they don't have a legit reason to since accepting a scholarship and then reneging is allowed under NCAA rules. The argument they seem to be making (and you are backing up) is that he signed to make money playing for us. That contract is not allowed in the NCAA because that is pay for play.

I will say, the one good thing about all of this is it is shining a big spotlight on the stupidity of the system. This is not working.
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So you are saying they couldn't reference the NIL collective contract (separate from the school) in their contract? Do you actually know Wisconsin doen't have a legit reason (bet those Holiday Inn towels are bright white though)?
 

PMWinSTP said:
So you are saying they couldn't reference the NIL collective contract (separate from the school) in their contract? Do you actually know Wisconsin doen't have a legit reason (bet those Holiday Inn towels are bright white though)?
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I literally said it in the last post

No one has any idea who’s right or wrong because we don’t have the contract.


All we know is that the schools can’t use nil in a pay for play method so paying him can’t be based on his playing for the badgers. In a prior post I mentioned, maybe it says he has to be in school. Maybe it says he cannot hold competing interests (transferring would certainly entail that). His entrance into their academic institution is separate from a NIL deal with a non school institution. They can still hold those rights. I’ve never said they can’t (or that they are forbidden from releasing him into the portal, though that sounds like a potentially very bad area to delve into from a civil litigation standpoint in an era when non competes on the business side are getting slashed all over) . Just that they can’t say paying him is contingent on playing for the badgers. They absolutely can mention the existence of NIL. Maybe it says if you’ve entered into a NIL deal with x collective you must remove yourself from that deal to leave school but would envision that gets hairy in restriction of player movement/rights so I’d have to read up on NIL rules as to if this is allowed. Would envision not common if so with guys entering portal mid season

And to make it perfectly clear, I don’t think you’re wrong, dumb, foolish, whatever about. None of us really know because this is a big black box and we’re in the dead season of college football. It’s a fun subject to debate the interpretation of the current rules but obviously this type of situation is going to be a major precedent setter one way or the other depending on how it goes.
 
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USAF said:
It just boggles my mind that people who claim the NIL situation and free transfers are ruining college football still manage to invent reasons why Wisconsin should bend over backwards to let some kid out of an agreement he voluntarily signed.
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I have not been on top of this story, but have they stated what it is that the player signed and is reneging on?
 




USAF said:
It just boggles my mind that people who claim the NIL situation and free transfers are ruining college football still manage to invent reasons why Wisconsin should bend over backwards to let some kid out of an agreement he voluntarily signed.

Again...there are a couple dozen Wisconsin players IN THE PORTAL. Wisconsin let them go.

There's obviously some reason they're not, in this case.

And notably, the lawyer this kid hired HASN'T sought legal relief. All he's done is whine to the press.

There's much we don't know, but from all appearances, Wisconsin is absolutely on correct side of this.
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Has Wisconsin even said it has anything to do with an NIL deal?
 

GVLCGopherFan said:
Has Wisconsin even said it has anything to do with an NIL deal?
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Whatever it is, I imagine wisconsin is subject to policy or due process rules preventing them from disclosing anything until they complete whatever they're doing. Even if they're in the right at the end it's a bad look for them
 





USAF said:
badgerswire.usatoday.com

Report: Wisconsin cornerback Xavier Lucas still not in the transfer portal, hires attorney

Another big update to the Xavier Lucas transfer saga
badgerswire.usatoday.com badgerswire.usatoday.com

It's pretty well documented he signed a deal with Wisconsin's NIL collective in early December.

The above is just one story, you can find many with a simple Google search.
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In the literal article

“There has been no public response from Wisconsin, nor any apparent resolution to Lucas’ desire to enter the portal. According to Heitner, litigation could soon follow”

There is speculation that Wisconsin feels he needs to honor a deal from a Badger insider. That is not directly from the school. I’m just answering his question.
 

mngg11 said:
Whatever it is, I imagine wisconsin is subject to policy or due process rules preventing them from disclosing anything until they complete whatever they're doing. Even if they're in the right at the end it's a bad look for them
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That’s all they’ve said. Can’t disclose as doesn’t fully deidentify the person enough to make anonymous as is the rule with student athletes
 

upnorthkid said:
You said the NIL was listed in the contract they signed with the school. You can’t do that if it mentions playing
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So reference to a contract that is not from the school and is not a party to is not allowed? Hmm...
 

PMWinSTP said:
So reference to a contract that is not from the school is not a party to is not allowed? Hmm...
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Again I didn’t say that. Just that it can’t say anything about playing and NIL together as it’s contingent on playing.

The part I think you bring up that’s super interesting and idk if legal, but could you put in if you sign a deal, you’re legally bound to play here? Idk enough about the civil side of that to know if that would stand water or not or if that’s spoken to specifically in the rather scant nil language we have now

In all honesty, I hope the ncaa/legislation comes down and says schools can do This and they sign a binding contract with the school. The way it is now is complicated with no good set of rules, everyone is doing it differently and it’s a free for all, which isn’t great, in my opinion, for players, schools or fans:
 

USAF said:
badgerswire.usatoday.com

Report: Wisconsin cornerback Xavier Lucas still not in the transfer portal, hires attorney

Another big update to the Xavier Lucas transfer saga
badgerswire.usatoday.com badgerswire.usatoday.com

It's pretty well documented he signed a deal with Wisconsin's NIL collective in early December.

The above is just one story, you can find many with a simple Google search.
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This is the only reference to the deal in the article: “Wisconsin believes Lucas must honor a deal he signed with the program in early December.” It doesn’t say what deal they are trying to hold him to, but the fact that it says he signed it “with the program” would lead me to believe it is not NIL related.
 

matt said:
This is the only reference to the deal in the article: “Wisconsin believes Lucas must honor a deal he signed with the program in early December.” It doesn’t say what deal they are trying to hold him to, but the fact that it says he signed it “with the program” would lead me to believe it is not NIL related.
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There are dozens of stories. Google, FFS.
If they are correct, it's NIL.

Here's one more. There are many.

caneswarning.com

Xavier Lucas report shows why Wisconsin is preventing Miami target from transferring

Are things ever going to get resolved between Xavier Lucas and the Wisconsin Badgers? That's what plenty of people are waiting on, including Miami Hurricanes fo
caneswarning.com caneswarning.com
 

upnorthkid said:
And to make it perfectly clear, I don’t think you’re wrong, dumb, foolish, whatever about. None of us really know because this is a big black box and we’re in the dead season of college football. It’s a fun subject to debate the interpretation of the current rules but obviously this type of situation is going to be a major precedent setter one way or the other depending on how it goes.
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Bingo. I have no skin in the game and none of us knows the truth...its all just fun speculation.

I don't think any of us are personally attacking anyone...or at least I hope not.
 


USAF said:
There are dozens of stories. Google, FFS.
If they are correct, it's NIL.

Here's one more. There are many.

caneswarning.com

Xavier Lucas report shows why Wisconsin is preventing Miami target from transferring

Are things ever going to get resolved between Xavier Lucas and the Wisconsin Badgers? That's what plenty of people are waiting on, including Miami Hurricanes fo
caneswarning.com caneswarning.com
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So no, it has not been reported what he is reneging on. We know that he signed a contract with a NIL collective (safe to assume this is pay for play). And we know that he signed something with Wisconsin (which is the one he is reneging on and causing the issue). But we don’t know what the Wisconsin agreement is.
 

gophereric30 said:
Unless im missing something, why would you want anybody on your team that doesnt want to be there?
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I'm curious if there's some kind of shenanigans associated with the whole deal that's borderline or outright civilly or criminally litigious. It's dragging on too long for this to be a pride thing. I mean if it does end up being that its hilarious
 

USAF said:
There are dozens of stories. Google, FFS.
If they are correct, it's NIL.

Here's one more. There are many.

caneswarning.com

Xavier Lucas report shows why Wisconsin is preventing Miami target from transferring

Are things ever going to get resolved between Xavier Lucas and the Wisconsin Badgers? That's what plenty of people are waiting on, including Miami Hurricanes fo
caneswarning.com caneswarning.com
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Google is unreliable. I googled the antioxidants in cashews and it returned an article from Vogue.
 

Me thinks there is quite a bit at stake here, which is why Wisconsin has dug in on this. The Badgers might be doing the Gophers and DTA...every D1 school and their NIL org for that matter...a favor.

It is starting to get the feel that we may hear for several years, "In Lucas vs. Wisconsin, we have precedent that clearly shows our position is correct."
 

Arminius said:
Me thinks there is quite a bit at stake here, which is why Wisconsin has dug in on this. The Badgers might be doing the Gophers and DTA...every D1 school and their NIL org for that matter...a favor.

It is starting to get the feel that we may hear for several years, "In Lucas vs. Wisconsin, we have precedent that clearly shows our position is correct."
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Based on Fleck's track record as a coach, what evidence is there to support the idea he would prevent a player from entering the portal? If this actually ends up in court, and Wisconsin were to "win", schools like Minnesota will not be the greatest beneficiary, the helmet schools will be.
 

One other thing to factor into the analysis of this dispute as you look for information is that wisconsin, like a lot of schools but not so much Minnesota, has a lot of "media" who are essentially fan boys with podcasts and/or websites. They do and say things that you would not hear from Minnesota media. It isn't surprising to me that they seem to have mostly rallied around the program. That doesn't mean that they are wrong in this instance, but consider the sources of the information that you see.
 


2nd Degree Gopher said:
One other thing to factor into the analysis of this dispute as you look for information is that wisconsin, like a lot of schools but not so much Minnesota, has a lot of "media" who are essentially fan boys with podcasts and/or websites. They do and say things that you would not hear from Minnesota media. It isn't surprising to me that they seem to have mostly rallied around the program. That doesn't mean that they are wrong in this instance, but consider the sources of the information that you see.
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100% correct about madison reporting outlets.
 

Arminius said:
Me thinks there is quite a bit at stake here, which is why Wisconsin has dug in on this. The Badgers might be doing the Gophers and DTA...every D1 school and their NIL org for that matter...a favor.

It is starting to get the feel that we may hear for several years, "In Lucas vs. Wisconsin, we have precedent that clearly shows our position is correct."
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I guess I don't get what you mean? At stake how?

I feel like some (not necessarily you) are reading way more into this than is actually there...which tends to happen when there is a lack of actual information.
 

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