There must be some rules to it (that I don't know yet) because we haven't seen people leave in the middle of the year. But yeah, until this thing popped, I thought as long as you checked the procedural checklist - you could enter the portal.
This is different than receiving bonuses for work completed. The NIL payment was for the athlete signing and participating in football. And the NIL contract/agreement most likely had a performance clause. If they didn’t, they’ll need new lawyers. If there was such a clause, the school most likely has standing to not release him until the funds are returned. If there wasn’t such a clause, release him, learn from it and move on.
I would agree with this, but it sure seems strange. If the only issue was repayment of the NIL funds, than his new school, and new deal would cover that. Word was that he wanted to go to Miami, and I would assume that they have much deeper pockets than the Badgers…. In any event, Wisconsin is gonna end up looking bad on this.
The article I read, for what it is worth (attached), said he signed an agreement to play for Wisconsin during this offseason but then tried to jump into the portal a week after signing the agreement. I think they are using the leverage they have to make this difficult for him to collect any associated NIL money. This will get very interesting if that is the case. I think Wisc and the NIL collective would have strong cases for arguing fraud on his part...might not be a winning argument but it certainly would have merit and would dirty him up quite a bit, and I would think a court would look very closely at if he is due any money unless it was completely guaranteed. Could end up being a cautionary tale for others to understand the consequences.
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From other schools (and collectives) perspective, I would disagree. It was only a matter of time before a school went this route, and Wisconsin happens to be one of the first to do so. Pretty sure they have good attorneys and are proceeding as a matter of principle. I have done the same in business with employee claims where we have spent well beyond what was in dispute to make a point, and in many cases, won.
I doubt that’s what’s going on. Wisconsin is just not releasing him for the portal, which he needs them to do to switch teams. He could quit the team, but Wisconsin still needs to release him to play elsewhere.
At the same time they're giving him fuel to fire back with too by not putting him in the portal. Seems like a situation where no one wins in the end.The article I read, for what it is worth (attached), said he signed an agreement to play for Wisconsin during this offseason but then tried to jump into the portal a week after signing the agreement. I think they are using the leverage they have to make this difficult for him to collect any associated NIL money. This will get very interesting if that is the case. I think Wisc and the NIL collective would have strong cases for arguing fraud on his part...might not be a winning argument but it certainly would have merit and would dirty him up quite a bit, and I would think a court would look very closely at if he is due any oney uless it was completely guaranteed. Could end up being a cautionary tale for others to understand the consequences.
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That’s a good point about using Miami money to pay back Wisconsin. Maybe Miami won’t give him the money until he signed, but he can’t do that until he pays Wisconsin back to release him. He needs a Pay Day Loan, a shark, or a rich dad.
I might be in the minority because I’m with Wisconsin not getting ripped off by standing firm. I think the kid’s reputation is damaged more than Wisconsin’s. I could change my opinion if all the facts come out.
A bonus is paid for services rendered. Money paid to entice future action is an entirely different thing.
Ditto.
Yep, brought the same thing up in post #67.
Not claiming racism. Only stating that every program must remain vigilant to avoid the appearance of iniquity.
They can't block him forever...I don't think the NCAA allows that and no way the courts do.
If it works it might be worth it (not likely) but if it doesn't it is beyond stupid. I don't think they are making the point they think they are...
I think most of us just hate the whole situation so we are kinda just picking who we hate the least in it. Like when Wisconsin plays Iowa.
No, it's not. It is making exactly the point they want to make.
If you say so. They aren't going to come out of this heroes and in 5 years all of this will have been for nothing so...cool.
This post doesn't make any sense.
It does actually. Here's the problem. Wisconsin can be making a valid point and be in the right and still lose in the court of public opinion. It doesn't matter if this kid is a prima donna and owes them money. It matters what it looks like to every other potential recruit or transfer. And right now, Wisconsin is falling down the pecking order because they seem to have stuck up for the moral high ground when most schools would just cut the kid loose and be done with it. This isn't a good look for Fickle, although it won't matter at all, because with their schedule next year, he'll be looking for a job come year end.
How, exactly, is Wisconsin getting ripped off? Did they give him any money?
I can't speak for everyone else but my thoughts are this might not be the best way to go about it for Wisconsin. The compliance office and NIL collective are two different entities.
Well I guess I wonder what you think their ultimate goal here is. You seem to think they are doing this out of principle and that it will act as some sort of new standard to how agreeing to NIL deals and actions of backing out of them will be viewed by players going forward. I am saying this will change nothing so they are going through all of this to a prove a point that won't matter or make a difference in the long run.
This. I'm all for teams sticking up for themselves in this messed up environment but not following the procedural process of putting the kids name in the portal comes across as petty when it has been made pretty clear that players can transfer anytime they want to and as many times as they want to in this current environment.
What's hypocritical about transferrig? non athletes transfer all the time. People change jobs all the time. Also the NIL collective and university of Wisconsin are separate entities. The University of Wisconsin isn't paying the kid to play football there, the collective is. if anything they're probably laughing at the fact that schools still aren't paying players and they've convinced idiot pee ons to cough up their own money to do it. If a group of people who are already dumb enough to give away their money for no return on investment other than maybe an emotional one if their favorite team wins enough games. Are you really surprised that people with that level of emotional intelligence wouldn't be smart enough to put language in the "contract " about giving out funds to players?
My understanding is the schools now have the ability to direct the NIL collective money, so who it goes to and how much they get.
It very well may be against the rules to refuse to allow someone into the portal.
That has been the inference, and also why I qualified my post that I may change my opinion when more facts come out. If Wisconsin or their NIL already paid him money, then I think Wisconsin has some standing.
I happen to think Wisconsin has to protect their NIL, and not placing him in the portal is one way to do it. The kid can provide in detail his side of the story, which could sway opinions either way.