Who should be in the 12 team playoffs?

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upnorthkid said:
top 5 is an interesting take when they're clearly not as good as the top 4 and lost to A&M h2h plus lost another game.
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Would handle A&M and Miami if they played again. ND would be favored against every single team other than Ohio State and Indiana. According to Vegas
 

Yeah, I have no issue with letting the little guys in. The playoff is probably already too large by half, conference titles should mean more but we have what we have now and even more expansion in the works due to the desire for larger tv contracts by Pettiti and his facilitators. That’s it.
 

IrishGoph55 said:
Would handle A&M and Miami if they played again. ND would be favored against every single team other than Ohio State and Indiana. According to Vegas
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yet they don't. you can only base the bracket off what actually happened not hypotheticals. otherwise there's no point in playing any games. we may as well just set the bracket week one
 

Some Day...Maybe said:
Ridiculous. You can’t penalize them for playing in their title game. Look at Notre Dame’s schedule, they have 2 good wins, and only played 4 good teams.
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You can penalize them for looking that shity. Everybody talks about the eye test and you shouldn't penalize a team for playing a good team but if you can't compete against a good team you should not be rewarded with a playoff spot. That makes no sense.
 

Gopher Mac said:
You can penalize them for looking that shity. Everybody talks about the eye test and you shouldn't penalize a team for playing a good team but if you can't compete against a good team you should not be rewarded with a playoff spot. That makes no sense.
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you can't punish bama but you can punish byu. makes perfect sense. some random info

Bamas losses: Georgia, Oklahoma, FSU
BYUs: TTU x2
Miamis: Louisville, SMU
NDs: Miami, A&M

Bamas wins: #3 GA, #14 Vandy. that's it. those are the CFP ranked teams. There's no Mizzou or Tenn.
BYUs: #15 Utah, #17 AZ.
Miamis: #11 ND
NDs: #16 USC

SOR
Bama 10
BYU 9
Miami 13
ND 14

SOS
Bama 6
BYU 22
Miami 44
ND 45

Kind of fascinating we binned BYU immediately given they may actually have the biggest gripe to not be in. Certainly moreso than ND (better win, better losses, better SOR, better SOS)
 


4. ACC. Miami, Virginia, GT and Duke
4. B12. TT, BYU, Utah, Arizona
4. B1G. Indiana, tOSU, Oregon, USC
4. SEC. Georgia, ole Miss, A&M, Oklahoma
2. Tulane, JMU
6. Alabama, Notre Dame, Texas, Vanderbilt, Michigan, Houston.

Iowa first team out.

Go to 32 and I’d give other FBS teams a spot

Kennesaw
Western Michigan
Boise State

Obviously adding to 32 creates more mediocre arguments, so 24 probably the spot unless play-in process created.
 

Boy, not knowing what the bracket would look like, I thought there would be a good chance that Oregon could get bounced in the first round, now it looks like they could win their first two.

I don’t know if they are just good or really good, I’m leaning towards just good.
 

BigGopher69 said:
The best teams, lets be real tulane and james madison have 0 chance of winning it all. I am fine with 1 non p4 school its a fun story but there should never be 2
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Alabama has zero chance of winning it all. They’re a mediocre football team.
They shouldn’t be in either.

Why are you okay with charity to the 5th best SEC team but not for a 12-1 team.
 




Some guy said:
Alabama has zero chance of winning it all. They’re a mediocre football team.
They shouldn’t be in either.

Why are you okay with charity to the 5th best SEC team but not for a 12-1 team.
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Couldn't disagree more, James madison went 12-1 with a JV schedule. Troy gave them a game yesterday. Bama beat Georgia earlier in the year what are we talking about
 

BigGopher69 said:
Couldn't disagree more, James madison went 12-1 with a JV schedule. Troy gave them a game yesterday. Bama beat Georgia earlier in the year what are we talking about
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Alabama got beat by 21 against Georgia yesterday.
Lost to 4-7 Florida state by two scores

They have equal chances of winning the national title
 


BigGopher69 said:
You must be a JMU fan
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I think bama would beat JMU

I’d rather have a one loss team than a 3 loss team in the playoff for the integrity of the regular season

Especially when the 3 loss team lost to one bad team + their best win was mitigated by getting blown out by the same team later


Miami - wasn’t top two in their league per their leagues rules

Notre dame - lost to Miami and didn’t really beat antone

Bama - 5th best team in the SEC

JMU - not that good but at least they only lost once
Lost to Louisville week 2, Louisville beat Miami



Who are four teams who won’t win a national title?
 



disco said:
They beat four ranked teams, Georgia, Vandy, Tennessee and Mizzou. ND beat two. USC and Pitt, and Pitt was barely ranked (like Minnesota beating Nebraska). Their SOS was just better.
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TN and MZ are not ranked anymore and were ranked erroneously all season. It's well-documented how those two teams propped up other SEC teams all year just because they were ranked. And neither one beat ANYONE all year. SEC bias at it's worst.
 

BigGopher69 said:
Couldn't disagree more, James madison went 12-1 with a JV schedule. Troy gave them a game yesterday. Bama beat Georgia earlier in the year what are we talking about
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This is the typical entitlement mentality we see with SEC fans. This shouldn't be a matter of you being entitled to a level of entertainment, or teams getting in because of the name or conference on their jersey. Or because of TV ratings. This is why it should be done exactly like FCS, with all conference champs getting an autobid and 14 more teams at large.

I'd rather see what the lesser conferences can do than watch some fifth place team from the SEC play again.
 

24 team playoff elimination of conference championship games.

 

BigGopher69 said:
Its a joke both james madison and tulane are in
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Totally disagree and wondering why you think so? I have watched Tulane a few times this year and they are solid and explosive at some skill positions. Plus if they are inviting average three win sec teams, there is surely room for programs like these two having incredible years.
 

upnorthkid said:
you can't punish bama but you can punish byu. makes perfect sense. some random info

Bamas losses: Georgia, Oklahoma, FSU
BYUs: TTU x2
Miamis: Louisville, SMU
NDs: Miami, A&M

Bamas wins: #3 GA, #14 Vandy. that's it. those are the CFP ranked teams. There's no Mizzou or Tenn.
BYUs: #15 Utah, #17 AZ.
Miamis: #11 ND
NDs: #16 USC

SOR
Bama 10
BYU 9
Miami 13
ND 14

SOS
Bama 6
BYU 22
Miami 44
ND 45

Kind of fascinating we binned BYU immediately given they may actually have the biggest gripe to not be in. Certainly moreso than ND (better win, better losses, better SOR, better SOS)
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Agree, BYU should be in over Miami. If we don’t penalize bama for getting their backs blown out in conference championship we should not do that to the Mormons.
 

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There is SEC bias, but I don't see how Notre Dame can ever complain seeing they've benefitted from pro-Fighting Irish bias over the years.

Bottom line: Someone is always going to be left out and the bigger they make the field there's going to be more teams on the margins. If James Madison and Tulane get speedboated, that angle may have to be reassessed. But this is just sour grapes coming from South Bend.
 

WorkingMyTailOff said:
Totally disagree and wondering why you think so? I have watched Tulane a few times this year and they are solid and explosive at some skill positions. Plus if they are inviting average three win sec teams, there is surely room for programs like these two having incredible years.
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I think the top non p4 team should get in. In a 12 team playoff there shouldnt be 2.
 

disco said:
This is the typical entitlement mentality we see with SEC fans. This shouldn't be a matter of you being entitled to a level of entertainment, or teams getting in because of the name or conference on their jersey. Or because of TV ratings. This is why it should be done exactly like FCS, with all conference champs getting an autobid and 14 more teams at large.

I'd rather see what the lesser conferences can do than watch some fifth place team from the SEC play again.
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Its not about entertainment, its about getting the best teams in the playoffs. If you think James madison is a better team then notre dame, texas, etc your crazy. The playoffs arent a charity case. Now if we expand the playoffs sure I am in, but in a 12 team playoff there is no way 2 non p4 teams should be in
 

BigGopher69 said:
I think the top non p4 team should get in. In a 12 team playoff there shouldnt be 2.
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There is no autobid for a G5 team for this year.

It is the FIVE HIGHEST RANKED CONFERENCE CHAMPIONS. This is what everyone agreed to. With the PAC12 not really existing this year, but coming back next year, at least one G5 team was going to get in, just based on the above.

When Duke won the ACC, it bumped up JMU who is, rightfully, ranked higher than Duke. If you don't like it, blame the ACC tiebreakers. Or UVa for losing to a Duke team that's probably not better than the Gophers.
 

BigGopher69 said:
Its not about entertainment, its about getting the best teams in the playoffs. If you think James madison is a better team then notre dame, texas, etc your crazy. The playoffs arent a charity case. Now if we expand the playoffs sure I am in, but in a 12 team playoff there is no way 2 non p4 teams should be in
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All the conferences agreed to the criteria. Sorry this upsets you.
 


BigGopher69 said:
Its not about entertainment, its about getting the best teams in the playoffs. If you think James madison is a better team then notre dame, texas, etc your crazy. The playoffs arent a charity case. Now if we expand the playoffs sure I am in, but in a 12 team playoff there is no way 2 non p4 teams should be in
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disco said:
All the conferences agreed to the criteria. Sorry this upsets you.
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this. And making it "autobids" for the four P4 is an even dumber idea as instead you'd have Duke in and they are no better than MN (they lost to Tulane, Illinois by 26, Uconn, GT, and Virginia by 17). Get mad at the ACC if you want to get mad that two G5 got in
 




CycloneGopher said:
ESPN shills saying no group of 5 team should make it in the future is dumb. I agree having both JMU and Tulane in over some other teams is a little much. But a spot should be reserved each year for a team from one of those leagues. The way the game is organized right now and the bias in rankings would make it nearly impossible for them to make it in the future.
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Agree. What's the point of these schools even continuing to have a football program if there is literally no chance of them ever being able to compete for a championship? Nobody cares about this for the Basketball brackets. You accept that small teams are given a shot as well. This is the slippery slope of the college football playoff.

Then they said, "Hey we should have a championship game! We can call it the "BCS". That way we can determine the champion on the field and not have the voters do it. That will solve everything." And nobody ever complained about fairness aga...

Then they said, "Hey, we should have a four-team playoff! That way an undefeated third team will not be left out and will have a chance to win the championship! That will solve everything." And nobody ever complained about fairness aga....

Then they said "Hey, we should have a 12-team playoff! This way it will be more exciting and the smaller conference teams will have a shot too! That will solve everything." And nobody ever complained about fairness aga...

Then they said "Hey, we should have a 16-team playoff! This way a 2-loss major conference team is much less likely to be left out! That will solve everything." And nobody every complained about fairness aga...
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Rinse, Repeat, etc. etc.

The system now isn't perfect, but how can it be? There is no amount of teams you can add to a college football playoff to eliminate controversy. Someone will always be the first team left out and that team will always be pissed. The best thing you can do is ignore them. Having any type of a playoff is multiple factors better than the writers just voting for the champion. Since we're having a playoff, the small conferences absolutely deserve a spot at the table.
 

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