Which QB do the Vikes draft in 2024?

[TruthSeeker]

This shitshow in Atlanta just keeps getting weirder and weirder.

Now it comes out that Chicago tried to move up from #9 to #8 to take Rome Odunze. Chicago GM Poles called Atlanta GM Terry Fontenot about moving up and Fontenot said No thanks.

WTF... I don't know who comes off sounding more stupid here; Poles for wanting to move up 1 spot for the 3rd WR in the top 10, or Fontenot and the Falcons for saying NO. Poles seems clueless in Chicago and there's no description for what has happened in Atlanta the last couple years.

The Peter Principle is alive and well in the NFL. So many GMs and Presidents are completely in over their heads.

 

[Gopher_In_NYC]

With Pennix about to make his debut, thought it would be fun to resurrect this thread.

Kirk’s agent is a HOFer, $294M career earnings.

 

[Ogee Ogilthorpe]

I only see this Penix starting thing working is if:

A - Penix is clearly outplaying Cousins in practice (doubtful?)

B - Cousins has absolutely lost the faith of the locker room. Also, not sure

You can't fool the players who are in the building every day. If they are playing for their jobs, and for the postseason lives, and they see the powers that be putting a clearly lesser player on the field, it ain't going to go over well.

I don't know for sure but to ME, this wreaks of a Front Office that wants to prove they weren't as galactically stupid as everyone thought they were for drafting a QB when they paid $100M to Cousins, and had holes literally everywhere else.

 

[Gophers1992]

I only see this Penix starting thing working is if:

A - Penix is clearly outplaying Cousins in practice (doubtful?)

B - Cousins has absolutely lost the faith of the locker room. Also, not sure

You can't fool the players who are in the building every day. If they are playing for their jobs, and for the postseason lives, and they see the powers that be putting a clearly lesser player on the field, it ain't going to go over well.

I don't know for sure but to ME, this wreaks of a Front Office that wants to prove they weren't as galactically stupid as everyone thought they were for drafting a QB when they paid $100M to Cousins, and had holes literally everywhere else.

Agreed 100%

 

[Gophers1992]

In revisiting this thread, I'll own up and say that as things look right now, I could not have been more wrong about Bo Nix. I thought he made his living at Oregon throwing 4 yard passes that their athletes took and ran, but he looks like the real deal.

I can only hope my JJM prognostication is equally inaccurate.

 

[golf]

With Pennix about to make his debut, thought it would be fun to resurrect this thread.

Kirk’s agent is a HOFer, $294M career earnings.

Scuttlebutt is KOC wanted to bring Cousins back but Kwesi said no.

If true, Kwesi's decision has aged very well indeed. Huge ups for the gm on this.

 

[howeda7]

In revisiting this thread, I'll own up and say that as things look right now, I could not have been more wrong about Bo Nix. I thought he made his living at Oregon throwing 4 yard passes that their athletes took and ran, but he looks like the real deal.

I can only hope my JJM prognostication is equally inaccurate.

Last week was rough for Nix, but hopefully a blip and and not a regression. Much like KOC, I think Sean Peyton QB's have a pretty high floor.

 

[Ogee Ogilthorpe]

In revisiting this thread, I'll own up and say that as things look right now, I could not have been more wrong about Bo Nix. I thought he made his living at Oregon throwing 4 yard passes that their athletes took and ran, but he looks like the real deal.

I can only hope my JJM prognostication is equally inaccurate.

I'm just a big fan of guys that have played a lot of football. There is zero chance Kirk Cousins would have had the kind of NFL success he has had if he hadn't played 4 years at MSU. And Bo Nix, whatever you think of his skill and talent, played a shitload of football in college.

As a Raiders ST holder, I'm watching their situation of being at the top of next spring's Draft, and while I'm not a big fan of Shad Sanders or Cam Ward for elite QB prospects, IIRC they have both played a lot of football through their careers, if not at the same place.

I think the Vikings are in a very, very interesting situation this coming offseason. Sam Darnold is far from perfect and has some serious flaws, no doubt. But would you bet your career that JJM will not only be as good, but likely BETTER than what Darnold is doing right now? What are the chances of that? 15%? If you think it's a much better chance, what would you put the number at?

It's easy to fall in love with a 1st round QB but this is a potentially dangerous situation for the Vikings Front Office.

 

[howeda7]

I'm just a big fan of guys that have played a lot of football. There is zero chance Kirk Cousins would have had the kind of NFL success he has had if he hadn't played 4 years at MSU. And Bo Nix, whatever you think of his skill and talent, played a shitload of football in college.

As a Raiders ST holder, I'm watching their situation of being at the top of next spring's Draft, and while I'm not a big fan of Shad Sanders or Cam Ward for elite QB prospects, IIRC they have both played a lot of football through their careers, if not at the same place.

I think the Vikings are in a very, very interesting situation this coming offseason. Sam Darnold is far from perfect and has some serious flaws, no doubt. But would you bet your career that JJM will not only be as good, but likely BETTER than what Darnold is doing right now? What are the chances of that? 15%? If you think it's a much better chance, what would you put the number at?

It's easy to fall in love with a 1st round QB but this is a potentially dangerous situation for the Vikings Front Office.

What is the % chance that Sam Darnold will be as good in 2025 as he is right now?

 

[GopherWeatherGuy]

I only see this Penix starting thing working is if:

A - Penix is clearly outplaying Cousins in practice (doubtful?)

B - Cousins has absolutely lost the faith of the locker room. Also, not sure

You can't fool the players who are in the building every day. If they are playing for their jobs, and for the postseason lives, and they see the powers that be putting a clearly lesser player on the field, it ain't going to go over well.

I don't know for sure but to ME, this wreaks of a Front Office that wants to prove they weren't as galactically stupid as everyone thought they were for drafting a QB when they paid $100M to Cousins, and had holes literally everywhere else.

When your aging QB has thrown 1 TD and 9 INT's over the last 5 games, and you're 1-4 in those games and still in the playoff hunt, you have to give Penix a chance if you think he could be the future. I'm more surprised they didn't make the change earlier.

 

[Ogee Ogilthorpe]

What is the % chance that Sam Darnold will be as good in 2025 as he is right now?

I think in Darnold's second full year in this offense, playing behind what will MOST likely be an improved OL (there's zero chance they don't improve the interior OL), he has an incredibly good chance of playing as well or better next year. Yes

 

[GophersInIowa]

For Bo Nix, it's been a perfect scenario. Denver has one of the weakest schedules in the league. Only 1 of their 9 wins have come against a team with a winning record (Tampa at 8-6). While also having a good defense. Not a knock on him, he's been pretty good and I think those things have helped.

 

[Gopher_In_NYC]

When your aging QB has thrown 1 TD and 9 INT's over the last 5 games, and you're 1-4 in those games and still in the playoff hunt, you have to give Penix a chance if you think he could be the future. I'm more surprised they didn't make the change earlier.

Additionally, this is Morris’ second HC opportunity and I can’t fathom him getting a third one.

So no reason to stick with a QB who’s only attempted 4% of his passes outside the pocket, because he can’t move. His lack of mobility, also likely limits their playbook.

 

[Ogee Ogilthorpe]

In revisiting this thread, I'll own up and say that as things look right now, I could not have been more wrong about Bo Nix. I thought he made his living at Oregon throwing 4 yard passes that their athletes took and ran, but he looks like the real deal.

I can only hope my JJM prognostication is equally inaccurate.

Scuttlebutt is KOC wanted to bring Cousins back but Kwesi said no.

If true, Kwesi's decision has aged very well indeed. Huge ups for the gm on this.

Wow. I had never heard this. Listening to a show on VSiN this morning, they said Ryan Tannehill was actually the Vikings FIRST choice last offseason for their bridge QB but he would not sign the 1-year deal that Darnold did.

I know he wanted everything to be just right, the right team, the right roster, the right contract, but I was always surprised that Tannehill never signed anywhere before (or even during) this season; he would have been better than a good handful of people who started this season, especially the Raiders.

 

[Full Speed Ahead]

I think in Darnold's second full year in this offense, playing behind what will MOST likely be an improved OL (there's zero chance they don't improve the interior OL), he has an incredibly good chance of playing as well or better next year. Yes

If you keep Darnold, you're signing someone to a really large multi-year contract, which means you no longer have that money to spend on other players. With the salary cap, can we keep the existing team intact and sign Darnold.

 

[Gopher_In_NYC]

If you keep Darnold, you're signing someone to a really large multi-year contract, which means you no longer have that money to spend on other players. With the salary cap, can we keep the existing team intact and sign Darnold.

You can tag him for a year

 

[Ogee Ogilthorpe]

If you keep Darnold, you're signing someone to a really large multi-year contract, which means you no longer have that money to spend on other players. With the salary cap, can we keep the existing team intact and sign Darnold.

It's hard to say, but I know one thing; it's a beautiful thing that KAM and the FO already took care of what would have easily been the two most pressing big dollar contract extensions. Jefferson and Darrisaw, and they were brilliant to take care of Darrisaw a year early, when they could more easily absorb the early guaranteed money under the cap.

 

[GophersInIowa]

If you keep Darnold, you're signing someone to a really large multi-year contract, which means you no longer have that money to spend on other players. With the salary cap, can we keep the existing team intact and sign Darnold.

I could be wrong but I'm guessing if Darnold resigns, it will be at a little bit of a discount compared to what he'd get as a free agent. He understands how being with KOC and this organization has revitalized his career so it's possible he might do what's best for his career over what's best for his bank account.

Wishful thinking? Maybe.

 

[Ope3]

I keep getting confused with the title of this thread thinking the Vikings are considering trading up to secure Sanders, hope Ward falls into their lap or take a flier on Brosmer in the late rounds for backup depth.

 

[short ornery norwegian]

I think the Vikings are in a very, very interesting situation this coming offseason. Sam Darnold is far from perfect and has some serious flaws, no doubt. But would you bet your career that JJM will not only be as good, but likely BETTER than what Darnold is doing right now? What are the chances of that? 15%? If you think it's a much better chance, what would you put the number at?

It's easy to fall in love with a 1st round QB but this is a potentially dangerous situation for the Vikings Front Office.

Ogee - I think that the answer has to include the cost (salary) of the player in question.

McCarthy will play on a rookie-level contract for another 3 seasons. If Darnold returns to the Vikings, he is going to cost a lot more than a rookie-level contract - even if he takes a hometown discount.

so the real question is this:
Is McCarthy at a rookie level contract worth Darnold at an unspecified higher contract? even if Darnold's play is a little better - does that justify the use of a higher salary at the position?

and - is Darnold's 2024 level of play sustainable? If Darnold has a drop-off of any amount in 2025, that alters the equation.

 

[howeda7]

I think in Darnold's second full year in this offense, playing behind what will MOST likely be an improved OL (there's zero chance they don't improve the interior OL), he has an incredibly good chance of playing as well or better next year. Yes

Darnold is more talented than Case Keenum, but I still think there are massive echoes of 2017 here. The only way I bring him back is if the Vikings make the Super Bowl, or he's willing to take $20 million/year or less. I think the odds of either of those happening are low. If they make/win the Super Bowl then franchise him and let it ride one more year. Otherwise, I'd offer him 2/$30 million to stay or let him go make twice that much somewhere else.

 

[howeda7]

I could be wrong but I'm guessing if Darnold resigns, it will be at a little bit of a discount compared to what he'd get as a free agent. He understands how being with KOC and this organization has revitalized his career so it's possible he might do what's best for his career over what's best for his bank account.

Wishful thinking? Maybe.

The problem is that "discount" is probably 3 years/$90 million.

 

[howeda7]

For Bo Nix, it's been a perfect scenario. Denver has one of the weakest schedules in the league. Only 1 of their 9 wins have come against a team with a winning record (Tampa at 8-6). While also having a good defense. Not a knock on him, he's been pretty good and I think those things have helped.

That is fair the offensive talent around him also isn't very good (thanks Russel Wilson!). The RB's are average to bad and the only WR worth much is Courtland Sutton, who would be WR3 on the Vikings. The OLine is OK but not top 5 in the league or anything.

 

[Gopher_In_NYC]

I keep getting confused with the title of this thread thinking the Vikings are considering trading up to secure Sanders, hope Ward falls into their lap or take a flier on Brosmer in the late rounds for backup depth.

It worked!!!. My plan when I posted this thread on March 12, 2024 has come to fruition

I fixed it for you. A few follow up questions

- Do you iron your?
- Do you dot other people’s and cross their Ts?

 

[Gopher_In_NYC]

For Bo Nix, it's been a perfect scenario. Denver has one of the weakest schedules in the league. Only 1 of their 9 wins have come against a team with a winning record (Tampa at 8-6). While also having a good defense. Not a knock on him, he's been pretty good and I think those things have helped.

Per Dan Ostrovsky, Bo Nix is one of the best red zone QBs based on his 21 TDs and only one pick in that zone; hard to argue with those numbers.

 

[Ogee Ogilthorpe]

Darnold is more talented than Case Keenum, but I still think there are massive echoes of 2017 here. The only way I bring him back is if the Vikings make the Super Bowl, or he's willing to take $20 million/year or less. I think the odds of either of those happening are low. If they make/win the Super Bowl then franchise him and let it ride one more year. Otherwise, I'd offer him 2/$30 million to stay or let him go make twice that much somewhere else.

Duly noted, but this is most definitely NOT that coaching staff, or front office for that matter. Two completely different worlds.

 

[Ogee Ogilthorpe]

so the real question is this:
Is McCarthy at a rookie level contract worth Darnold at an unspecified higher contract? even if Darnold's play is a little better - does that justify the use of a higher salary at the position?

and - is Darnold's 2024 level of play sustainable? If Darnold has a drop-off of any amount in 2025, that alters the equation.

The Vikings (this ownership group, this FO, this staff) are in the business of winning football games, competing for a division title, and competing for a SB run. They are going to start the QB that they think best gives them the chance to do that.

I can most definitely assure you that the fans care a whole lot more about "QB on a rookie contract" than the Front Office does. This angle is way, way overblown for the most part.

The more important thing is, what percentage of the cap does the QB take up? You may think it's the same thing but it's not. For example, despite signing a big extension not long ago, Jalen Hurts this year still only 5.2% of the Eagles salary cap.

Even if the Vikings paid Darnold $30M next season, that would be just under 11% of what the cap is projected to be. You start to get into trouble when the QB is taking up 17-20% and beyond of the cap.

KAM has deftly put the Vikings in a position where a reasonable contract for Darnold won't phase them a bit. The real question is, what do KOC and McCown think of Darnold and JJM?

 

[Ope3]

It worked!!!. My plan when I posted this thread on March 12, 2024 has come to fruition

I fixed it for you. A few follow up questions

- Do you iron your?
- Do you dot other people’s and cross their Ts?

Now what's on puzzling is why there is an ongoing discussion about who the Vikings will Draft in 2024 when that was decided more than 7 months ago.

I still haven't voted yet. Feels like it was decided.

 

[Ope3]

Now what's on puzzling is why there is an ongoing discussion about who the Vikings will Draft in 2024 when that was decided more than 7 months ago.

I still haven't voted yet. Feels like it was decided.

Revisiting the Voting options, kudos to anyone that went with "None - In Darnold we Trust" (ALL OTHERS PAY CASH).

In hindsight (short term anyway) it would be great to have another 1st Rd Asset actually playing in this Post Season push.



If anyone gets my literary ALL CAPS reference, well thanks. My old man and certainly JS would appreciate it.

 

[Gopher_In_NYC]

Now what's on puzzling is why there is an ongoing discussion about who the Vikings will Draft in 2024 when that was decided more than 7 months ago.

If you participated in the thread, then you would’ve seen there was a healthy & hearty discussion regarding which QB should have been drafted and which ones were the best prospects etc…We now have some actual data, so it’s funfor some, to revisit the topic.

I still haven't voted yet.

And yet 52 others did and it’s generated multiple posts today

Feels like it was decided.

It was.

I never got into The Replacements - that doesn’t make me wrong or right - just different. Different strokes, different folks, Arnold.