Where are the Leidner haters?

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dpodoll68 said:
It isn't an argument anyone has made. It's a fiction invented in your head. This forum has a very robust and easy-to-use search feature. Utilize it and find us some (serious, non-snarky, non-joking) posts advancing the notion that Leidner is a "top Big Ten QB". They should be easy to find, since there are so many.
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Where does he rank, in your mind?
 


dpodoll68 said:
It isn't an argument anyone has made. It's a fiction invented in your head.
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Dude - you were looking to take bets at 10:1 that ML would be a 1st round draft pick...like I said, elephant goldfish...
 

csom_1991 said:
Dude - you were looking to take bets at 10:1 that ML would be a 1st round draft pick...like I said, elephant goldfish...
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Now you're just straight-up lying. Find the post and quote it here, coward.
 


I guess the takeaway to his train wreck of a senior season is Mitch shouldn't have lost those 15 pounds. Correlation equals causation.
 







Is it safe to say Leidner Island has been bombed out, fukushima'd, invaded, gutted....insert description







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csom_1991 said:
5 seconds of Googling. How badly do you want me to embarrass you with your own words?
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So you're just going to gloss over the fact that your "Googling" has already made you look like a fool once on this very page? Good idea. Yes, please, keep "Googling", I want to see how far you can shove your foot into your mouth.
 



Breakin' The Plane said:
I'd very much like to see that.
Since you think you won round 1, I'm interested to see how this plays out.
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This guy is trying to argue that everyone knew all along that ML sucks...it is not even about using his own words to show how ridiculous that argument is on its face - that is just the cherry on top. Elephant goldfish needs to work on those memory skills.
 

csom_1991 said:
This guy is trying to argue that everyone knew all along that ML sucks...it is not even about using his own words to show how ridiculous that argument is on its face - that is just the cherry on top. Elephant goldfish needs to work on those memory skills.
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And here I thought Gregory Hines was dead.
 

csom_1991 said:
This guy is trying to argue that everyone knew all along that ML sucks...it is not even about using his own words to show how ridiculous that argument is on its face - that is just the cherry on top. Elephant goldfish needs to work on those memory skills.
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This is kind of the anthem for the guys who told us for years that Mitch was a leader or had a great arm or was learning on the job or......
 

csom_1991 said:
This guy is trying to argue that everyone knew all along that ML sucks...it is not even about using his own words to show how ridiculous that argument is on its face - that is just the cherry on top. Elephant goldfish needs to work on those memory skills.
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I haven't said any of the things you've ascribed to me here. Good Lord. I don't say this lightly - are you mentally challenged? If so, my bad on engaging you and I'll remember for the next time you're arguing against air.
 

The good news for Leidner is that he'll have a chance to workout in front of scouts in the off season and try to impress them. It's a reach but I've seen some crazy things happen after the combine and pro day workouts have completed.
 

Gophers7NatTitlesBadgers0 said:
The good news for Leidner is that he'll have a chance to workout in front of scouts in the off season and try to impress them. It's a reach but I've seen some crazy things happen after the combine and pro day workouts have completed.
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Maybe they will be impressed how he consistently overshoots receivers by 5 yards and throws balls at the feet of receivers when he feels pressure...It's the leadership skills and work ethic that will put him over the top though.
 

Got a good one. Wait for this headline...

Mitch Leidner granted a 6th year of eligibility by NCAA.

APRIL FOOLS. Boy that one will stop some hearts for sure...
 

Gophers7NatTitlesBadgers0 said:
The good news for Leidner is that he'll have a chance to workout in front of scouts in the off season and try to impress them. It's a reach but I've seen some crazy things happen after the combine and pro day workouts have completed.
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No one has ever seen something that crazy. Too bad WLAF doesn't exist anymore. I doubt many people in Lisbon would note how fundamentally awful he is...
 

GopherTheMoney said:
Maybe they will be impressed how he consistently overshoots receivers by 5 yards and throws balls at the feet of receivers when he feels pressure...It's the leadership skills and work ethic that will put him over the top though.
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More Manning Academy prep will fix that.
 

Sparlimb said:
No one has ever seen something that crazy. Too bad WLAF doesn't exist anymore. I doubt many people in Lisbon would note how fundamentally awful he is...
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Perhaps, but the Rhein Fire or London Monarchs fans would have.
 

I didn't see the first half but I have to assume that the Badgers went into halftime and made some adjustments on defense and the Gophers didn't adjust to these changes.

Easy to blame Leidner but from what I could see on the TV which is sometimes limited, no separation in the receivers, they just did not get open, the line had trouble with the rush, very little mix up in the play calling, run game died, I imagine the Badgers changed their stunts, all Leidner had left was to force the ball. Based on the results in the first half it sure looks like the Gophers staff was completely out coached in the second. That big of a change to me points to a huge coaching breakdown.
 

jovs said:
I didn't see the first half but I have to assume that the Badgers went into halftime and made some adjustments on defense and the Gophers didn't adjust to these changes.

Easy to blame Leidner but from what I could see on the TV which is sometimes limited, no separation in the receivers, they just did not get open, the line had trouble with the rush, very little mix up in the play calling, run game died, I imagine the Badgers changed their stunts, all Leidner had left was to force the ball. Based on the results in the first half it sure looks like the Gophers staff was completely out coached in the second. That big of a change to me points to a huge coaching breakdown.
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Nobody was forcing Leidner to throw into double and triple coverage, instead of throwing it away or checking down (doesn't always seem to have that option). He protects the ball instead of giving them short fields then the defense maybe, just maybe can hang on and keep it close. It's a failure of the QB and the coaching staff. If the staff gets credit when the team plays well then they get tomatoes when the team plays poorly.
 

denguegopher said:
The argument that I don't like is the one that says the coaches know who is best, they see the guys in practice every day. If someone else played better in practice they would get to start. The issue that I have is that players get better by playing in games too, even more than in practice in terms of confidence. If Mitch gets all the 1st team reps in practice and all the reps in games, how is anyone else going to develop? I do think that as a coach its tempting to play Mitch, but I wonder how good someone else could be if they had gotten Mitch's practice and especially game reps. Its not his fault for making that decision, and he has tried with all of his heart, but I think that we can all expect better from a 5th year senior who has started, what 30 some games. He just didn't get better. I know that next year when our QB has a bad game people will say, "do you want Mitch back now?" Well its time for someone else to get a chance to develop.
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This! It's a tired and terrible argument that the "coaches know best." That's ridiculous. Coaches consistently ride players doing poorly while a better player waits in the wings. They just fail to test. How many examples do we need? This year alone, the replacement of a completely ineffective Hackenberg by an energetic McSorley (only because of Hackenberg leaving the team) has propelled PSU from an average B1G team with a horrific offense to a one of the top in the country. This is no coincidence, and these things happen all the time. But if Hackenberg had stayed, do you really believe McSorley would be playing? And the conversation at PSU would, instead, be about Franklin being on a very hot seat.


You knew when a Leidner meltdown had started. You could see it from the chair in your living room, you could see it from the most distant seat in the stadium, you could hear it over the radio call; hell, long-time Gopher fans could feel it in their bones. And yet, the coaches consistently left him out there over his career, taking the team down with his consistent meltdowns. Why? If you're not going to give someone else a chance, you are just accepting failure and ensuring a loss. While ML deserves praise for his courage he deserves criticism for his meltdowns, and it's the coaching staff that needs to have a Plan B and to take a chance to try to win the games. If there is no Plan B because Leidner gets every rep, that is a complete failure of coaching. They owe it to the other players on the field, busting their asses off. Give them a damn chance. It's not asking all that much. Three letters: Try.
 



Tackle4loss said:
I know it hurts to admit waitwhat was correct.
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Correct about what? That he's not a DI QB? That is and was an absolutely idiotic take. Or that he's not a great QB? Congratulations to him - he shares that opinion with virtually every other Gophers fan on Earth.
 


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