What is the number one change you'd make to the cuurrent program?

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I'd start by replacing the two OCs. Neither has proven anything over the course of their careers. I'd tell Coyle we need to pay up to bring in a PROVEN power 5 OC with the ability to identify and coach up the QB position specifically. Athans lack of development, now in year 3, is disturbing. And the current passing attack is an absolute embarassment for a Big Ten team that is in year 7 under the current regime. We will never win anything if this remains the status quo offensively.
 

Heard the comment made yesterday that the football team wasnt able to practice indoors during parts of the week. I don't know any of the logistics behind that and don't want to mispeak myself - BUT - It's football season. Prioritize who gets access to the indoor facility when needed.
 

akgo4 said:
Heard the comment made yesterday that the football team wasnt able to practice indoors during parts of the week. I don't know any of the logistics behind that and don't want to mispeak myself - BUT - It's football season. Prioritize who gets access to the indoor facility when needed.
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Who else uses the indoor field during football season? Women's soccer?
 

Harrymannback77 said:
I'd start by replacing the two OCs. Neither has proven anything over the course of their careers. I'd tell Coyle we need to pay up to bring in a PROVEN power 5 OC with the ability to identify and coach up the QB position specifically. Athans lack of development, now in year 3, is disturbing. And the current passing attack is an absolute embarassment for a Big Ten team that is in year 7 under the current regime. We will never win anything if this remains the status quo offensively.
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What is the benefit of the OC also being the QB coach? I know Fleck goes for that, but is that the norm? The problem with proven P5 OCs is that they want to get paid, which we won’t do, or they want to be HCs. Maybe bringing in an understudy of a premium OC would be the answer.
 

akgo4 said:
Heard the comment made yesterday that the football team wasnt able to practice indoors during parts of the week. I don't know any of the logistics behind that and don't want to mispeak myself - BUT - It's football season. Prioritize who gets access to the indoor facility when needed.
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Assuming thats true, wtf difference does it make? The football team suffers some loss by being forced outside in September?
Arent games played outside?
 


btowngopher said:
What is the benefit of the OC also being the QB coach? I know Fleck goes for that, but is that the norm? The problem with proven P5 OCs is that they want to get paid, which we won’t do, or they want to be HCs. Maybe bringing in an understudy of a premium OC would be the answer.
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I don't know, ask the North Carolina Tar Heels OC who is also QB coach, Chip Lindsey. Seems he is doing OK with Maye.

And Phil Longo before him. Longo is making 1.25 million at Wisconsin now. If we can't cough up 1.25 for an OC with the revenue streams from BT network, etc, we have no business being a power 5 program, imo.
 
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Harrymannback77 said:
I don't know, ask the North Carolina Tar Heels OC who is also QB coach, Chip Lindsey. Seems he is doing OK with Maye.

And Phil Longo before him. Longo is making 1.25 million at Wisconsin now. If we can't cough up 1.25 for an OC with the revenue streams from BT network, etc, we have no business being a power 5 program, imo.
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Or we can get a Drake Maye.
 





btowngopher said:
What is the benefit of the OC also being the QB coach? I know Fleck goes for that, but is that the norm? The problem with proven P5 OCs is that they want to get paid, which we won’t do, or they want to be HCs. Maybe bringing in an understudy of a premium OC would be the answer.
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The play caller and the QB have to be 100% on the same page. That’s easier when they’re in the same meeting room.
I think you could have an OC who doesn’t coach a position and have a ton of success.
I think you could have an OC who isn’t a QB coach if the OC and QB coach are 100% on the same page
I think you could have an OC who isn’t a QB coach if you aren’t making the QB make very many schematic decisions
 

Bring in Adam Weber or Tanner Morgan to be a QB whisperer. Athan isn't developing; in fact, he appears to be going backward. Zero touch on long balls; painful to watch compared to the dimes Maye was dropping into receivers' hands on deep balls. AK is also throwing behind receivers on intermediate crossing routes. We'll go an entire season without explosive plays unless this gets addressed. Harbaugh apparently isn't the guy. Bring in Weber or Tanner to work one-on-one with Athan.
 




akgo4 said:
Heard the comment made yesterday that the football team wasnt able to practice indoors during parts of the week. I don't know any of the logistics behind that and don't want to mispeak myself - BUT - It's football season. Prioritize who gets access to the indoor facility when needed.
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Is practicing outside not an option?
 


Why would a proven P5 OC come here? Would we have the money to offer such a person? Would such a person’s schemes still work with the talent level that we can get to come to Mpls, MN?

Proven at a lower level (FCS), I could much more easily see.
 

Gophergrandpa said:
Bring in Adam Weber or Tanner Morgan to be a QB whisperer. Athan isn't developing; in fact, he appears to be going backward. Zero touch on long balls; painful to watch compared to the dimes Maye was dropping into receivers' hands on deep balls. AK is also throwing behind receivers on intermediate crossing routes. We'll go an entire season without explosive plays unless this gets addressed. Harbaugh apparently isn't the guy. Bring in Weber or Tanner to work one-on-one with Athan.
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I'll expand on your points to add Athan locks into his primary read the minute he takes the snap. It's very rare this season so far, that he drops back and you see him survey the field. It's causing him to miss open routes at various levels. And multiple times yesterday he locked in and still was behind his intended target, which was usually Jackson. He missed Crooms deep who had his man beat. He underthrew Brockington for an easy run and catch TD with his speed late in the game. He can't hit stone hands BSF who maybe has the biggest catch radius on the entire team. Its very troubling, despite this being only his 7th start. Its simple to coach a guy to not stare down option one or his primary read, yet he can't seem to do it.
 

Carved up Wisconsin.

How can it be same guy???

Only difference: QB coach & OC went from Kirk Ciarrocca to Greg Harbaugh.

Same thing happened from 2019 with Tanner going to Sanford.


KC cast come kind of spell on these dudes.
 

The plays are fine.


Players just aren’t making the plays.


There’s no magic an OC can work where a guy misses a pass, misses a block, or drops a ball suddenly doesn’t happen….

Oh I’m sorry I’ll call the other play where the dude is open or the ball hits you in the hands…
 
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New offensive line coach. Someone who will emphasize using your eyes. So tired of seeing our Olinemen blocking with their head down and not see the LB or a looping defensive linemen coming into his gap/area.
 

Yesterday for me was the final straw ... if I were in charge... I'd be on he phone with every major doner... and bring in a coaching staff that truly is ELITE...

At this point idgaf if Brewster comes back as lead recruiter... we need TALLENT..... I thought our wr core was supposed to be godly... no separation period . A.k. is being forced to make a perfect throw and hit tight windows on nearly every drop back....

My point.... IM FUCKING FRUSTRATED
 

Gophergrandpa said:
Bring in Adam Weber or Tanner Morgan to be a QB whisperer. Athan isn't developing; in fact, he appears to be going backward. Zero touch on long balls; painful to watch compared to the dimes Maye was dropping into receivers' hands on deep balls. AK is also throwing behind receivers on intermediate crossing routes. We'll go an entire season without explosive plays unless this gets addressed. Harbaugh apparently isn't the guy. Bring in Weber or Tanner to work one-on-one with Athan.
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Here's a better idea. Hire a proven QB coach. Not someone just because they played here. The provincialism in this state makes me sick sometimes.
 

disco said:
Here's a better idea. Hire a proven QB coach. Not someone just because they played here. The provincialism in this state makes me sick sometimes.
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Bt it's the best stretch ever... blah blah blah.... I'm with you x10000
 

Also, find a sugar daddy to buy better players. I've said it in the past, this the ultimate future of big time college football and basketball and either pay up or get out.
 

Off-GridTNgopher said:
Bt it's the best stretch ever... blah blah blah.... I'm with you x10000
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It is the best stretch in my lifetime, and I've really enjoyed it. But I hate the "let's hire some guy who has ties to the program because he has ties to the program" garbage. Sid died several years ago. Let that BS line of thinking die with him.
 

Gophergrandpa said:
Bring in Adam Weber or Tanner Morgan to be a QB whisperer. Athan isn't developing; in fact, he appears to be going backward. Zero touch on long balls; painful to watch compared to the dimes Maye was dropping into receivers' hands on deep balls. AK is also throwing behind receivers on intermediate crossing routes. We'll go an entire season without explosive plays unless this gets addressed. Harbaugh apparently isn't the guy. Bring in Weber or Tanner to work one-on-one with Athan.
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Have you seen the games in person (I had to cancel going to Nebraska)? TV usually doesn't show the whole field so it's tough to know if Athan's timing is off on developing routes or if he's missing open receivers. I'm truly curious what attendees think about this.

The contrast with Maye was huge. Maye waits for the route to develop and if there's not enough time either runs or throws the ball away.

Edit add: Maye also had one guy that consistently got open, sometimes wide open, in McCollum who caught 15 passes. This seams to be common with successful passing teams.
 
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In the short term I would hunker down and run it like the last couple years with Darius Taylor. I think that gets us through the season over .500 and to an okay bowl. With the West as down as it seems it might get us a chance to get bombed in Indy.

In the offseason I hit the transfer portal hard and focus on...linemen. I find a running QB in the portal and bring him in to compete with Athan.

I think the optimal chance for this program to win in the Big 18 is with a run-first QB and a boatload of running plays behind a huge ass OL. Ball control, all in. I think we're doomed if we try to get in an arms race of QBs, WRs, and speed.
 

Light a fire under AK. While the jury is still out on Athan IF he doesn’t improve, and fast, they are going to have to either determine if Viotto is a legitimate prospect, recruit and get lucky on a solid and quick study high school prospect ie TM2, or more likely find a transfer candidate that is proven and able to throw accurately, and make good decisions, and willing to come to a program that (until this season) is very run heavy. Sometimes the teacher and the student aren’t on the same wavelength, oil and water. Could be the case here. The last thing we should do is throw away a QB if there’s a chance he can improve with better coaching and communication and motivation or understanding. Maybe there’s off the field stuff we don’t know about affecting AK. Maybe he requires a different approach. The kids really are a little different these days.

AK probably has the remainder of the season as a tryout unless Viotto is ready to go this year which seems unlikely. Then again, Fleck started a very green Annexstad as a true freshman.
 

disco said:
Also, find a sugar daddy to buy better players. I've said it in the past, this the ultimate future of big time college football and basketball and either pay up or get out.
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No doubt. The state of Minnesota has a ton of big business and lots of money. Just need to tap into that big bank. Sadly this is what college has become with the nil. They definitely need big backers to compete. I don’t pretend to know if they have them or not but perhaps some of you guys do. Seems to be the way of things currently
 

Why did they need to practice indoors? Was the weather that bad in MN this last week? Do they not have outdoor practice fields?
 

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