Week 8 Other Games Thread

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This position assumes the refs changed the call because of stuff being thrown.
Penalties are picked up all the time.
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Yes, penalties are picked up all the time, but not after the officials confer, the referee announces and signals the penalty to crowd and the ball spotted, which is what happened. The call was horrendously bad, but what was much worse was how it was handled. Had the flag been thrown, the officials huddled, and then announce there is no pass interference and pick up the flag, we aren’t here today. That isn’t what happened. The officials, though they can deny all they want, watched the in stadium video replay, AFTER announcing and marking off the penalty, while all the shit was being thrown on the field, and then decided there was no pass interference. You just can’t do that. You made your bad call and you move on, or you change the rules to make it reviewable.
 
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U2Gopher said:
Yes, penalties are picked up all the time, but not after the officials confer, the referee announces and signals the penalty to crowd and the ball spotted, which is what happened. The call was horrendously bad, but what was much worse was how it was handled. Had the flag been thrown, the officials huddled, and then announce there is no pass interference and pick up the flag, we aren’t here today. That isn’t what happened. The officials, though they can deny all they want, watched the in stadium video replay, AFTER announcing and marking off the penalty, while all the shit was being thrown on the field, and then decided there was no pass interference. You just can’t do that.
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You literally can do that, and they did
 





U2Gopher said:
Happy with PJ, but that “little bitch” could coach my team any day.
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As you know all too well U2, Georgia fans are very happy with Kirby. They could be happier but not by much.

He is animated on the sidelines though...not unlike a certain coach we've come to appreciate here at M-I-N-N-E-S-O-T-A...

As an aside, before last night a common refrain for Dawg fans was "What time is it in Texas?" Answer: "10 to 9," which was the score of the 1984 Cotton Bowl where Georgia beat then No. 2 and undefeated Texas. The Horns would have been National Champs if they'd won. Happened to be there for that one myself in Red and Black. Priceless.

Will have to come up with a new one for a 30-15 final score last night.
 
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so I watched the FCS showdown between #1 rated South Dakota State and #2 North Dakota State.

mostly a defensive battle. SDSU was leading 9-7 but NDSU scored a TD late in the 4th Qtr to go up 13-9 (missed a 2pt conversion). SDSU drove the ball out to midfield and then threw an interception, allowing NDSU to kneel out the game.

here's the thing - according to the announcers, SDSU QB Mark Gronowski claimed that he was offered up to $1.2-million in NIL to transfer to another school, but he turned it down to stay at SDSU. and I'm sorry - he's a good athlete, but he's more of a runner than a thrower. the NDSU QB, Cam Miller, was much more accurate and throws a better ball.

If Gronowski was really offered $1.2-million, then the NIL market has truly jumped the shark. I'd take Brosmer over Gronowski any day.
 


It's amazing how fast things change. We came into the season thinking we had a brutal schedule. As it currently sits, PSU looks great, Illinois looks very solid, but (unless I missed one skimming the rankings) none of our other 10 opponents are even receiving votes.
 





U2Gopher said:
Yes, penalties are picked up all the time, but not after the officials confer, the referee announces and signals the penalty to crowd and the ball spotted, which is what happened. The call was horrendously bad, but what was much worse was how it was handled. Had the flag been thrown, the officials huddled, and then announce there is no pass interference and pick up the flag, we aren’t here today. That isn’t what happened. The officials, though they can deny all they want, watched the in stadium video replay, AFTER announcing and marking off the penalty, while all the shit was being thrown on the field, and then decided there was no pass interference. You just can’t do that. You made your bad call and you move on, or you change the rules to make it reviewable.
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We’ve witnessed worse reversals (the 2015 roughing the passer at Ohio State resulting in a pick six springs to mind) but AFAIK pass interference isn’t reviewable (for 4-5 minutes) and the SEC doesn’t have a sky judge.

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You literally can do that, and they did
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Can you explain this further? @MaxyJR1 you liked the comment above and I believe you indicated in the past you officiate. I think we’d all like a rational explanation, if it exists.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
We’ve witnessed worse reversals (the 2015 roughing the passer at Ohio State resulting in a pick six springs to mind) but AFAIK pass interference isn’t reviewable (for 4-5 minutes) and the SEC doesn’t have a sky judge.



Can you explain this further? @MaxyJR1 you liked the comment above and I believe you indicated in the past you officiate. I think we’d all like a rational explanation, if it exists.
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If referees feel they got a call wrong they can always confer before the next play and remedy it. Which is different than a review. The PI wasn’t reviewed. There was no PI, they picked up the flag. The PI wasn’t overturned, the Pi never happened.

Announcing it doesn’t make that no longer possible.
Playing another play would.

I have been involved in many games where a penalty is announced and then the end result ends up different than the initial announcement.

If the white hat mishears what another official says and announces a penalty wrong, does that mean that they can’t go back and fix it? The answer is clearly no. This feels a little different from that, but in reality, it isn’t.
 



Some guy said:
If referees feel they got a call wrong they can always confer before the next play and remedy it. Which is different than a review. The PI wasn’t reviewed. There was no PI, they picked up the flag. The PI wasn’t overturned, the Pi never happened.

Announcing it doesn’t make that no longer possible.
Playing another play would.

I have been involved in many games where a penalty is announced and then the end result ends up different than the initial announcement.

If the white hat mishears what another official says and announces a penalty wrong, does that mean that they can’t go back and fix it? The answer is clearly no. This feels a little different from that, but in reality, it isn’t.
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I can't recall ever seeing a situation where officials called a penalty, announced it, played the ball, and then (absent an official review) change their minds about the penalty altogether (as opposed to realizing a coach wanted to decline it or that they initially marked it off from the wrong spot). Is there any example of that happening that you have in mind?
 

bleedsmaroonandgold said:
I can't recall ever seeing a situation where officials called a penalty, announced it, played the ball, and then (absent an official review) change their minds about the penalty altogether (as opposed to realizing a coach wanted to decline it or that they initially marked it off from the wrong spot). Is there any example of that happening that you have in mind?
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There are probably thousands of examples of it.
It literally happened at a high school JV football game I was at last week:


No, it’s not good officiating. But it isn’t unheard of.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
We’ve witnessed worse reversals (the 2015 roughing the passer at Ohio State resulting in a pick six springs to mind) but AFAIK pass interference isn’t reviewable (for 4-5 minutes) and the SEC doesn’t have a sky judge.



Can you explain this further? @MaxyJR1 you liked the comment above and I believe you indicated in the past you officiate. I think we’d all like a rational explanation, if it exists.
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The official changed his mind before the next play. If someone on the crew said they were 100% it was the wrong call, they can change it. It looks sloppy and bad, but officials can change a call.

The saying goes, don’t come to the locker room and say you think a call was wrong, let’s all get together and fix it at the time it happens.
 

Some guy said:
If referees feel they got a call wrong they can always confer before the next play and remedy it. Which is different than a review. The PI wasn’t reviewed. There was no PI, they picked up the flag. The PI wasn’t overturned, the Pi never happened.

Announcing it doesn’t make that no longer possible.
Playing another play would.

I have been involved in many games where a penalty is announced and then the end result ends up different than the initial announcement.

If the white hat mishears what another official says and announces a penalty wrong, does that mean that they can’t go back and fix it? The answer is clearly no. This feels a little different from that, but in reality, it isn’t.
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Here’s the sequence. Ya ever see something like this before? Right or wrong call doesn’t matter, right? Not reviewable for 3+ minutes…or subject to argument.


 

MaxyJR1 said:
The official changed his mind before the next play. If someone on the crew said they were 100% it was the wrong call, they can change it. It looks sloppy and bad, but officials can change a call.

The saying goes, don’t come to the locker room and say you think a call was wrong, let’s all get together and fix it at the time it happens.
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Nobody bats an eye if this is decided in 20-30 seconds.
 


Some guy said:
Yes, I have
You need to watch more lower level football 😂
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Saw a game in youth this year where the team made the extra point and it was the right call. The refs counted it and both teams were lined up for the kickoff when another official changed the call.
 

Some guy said:
If referees feel they got a call wrong they can always confer before the next play and remedy it. Which is different than a review. The PI wasn’t reviewed. There was no PI, they picked up the flag. The PI wasn’t overturned, the Pi never happened.

Announcing it doesn’t make that no longer possible.
Playing another play would.

I have been involved in many games where a penalty is announced and then the end result ends up different than the initial announcement.

If the white hat mishears what another official says and announces a penalty wrong, does that mean that they can’t go back and fix it? The answer is clearly no. This feels a little different from that, but in reality, it isn’t.
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I swear I heard on one of the games this weekend that NCAA referees are told they cannot look at in stadium video replays and use it to change calls. That was what the TV guy said anyway. If that's true then maybe there is controversy there?
 

MaxyJR1 said:
Saw a game in youth this year where the team made the extra point and it was the right call. The refs counted it and both teams were lined up for the kickoff when another official changed the call.
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Yes.
I think people are confusing what I am saying. I’m not saying it’s good officiating. It’s terrible officiating. It is just not unheard of
 

Word said:
I swear I heard on one of the games this weekend that NCAA referees are told they cannot look at in stadium video replays and use it to change calls. That was what the TV guy said anyway. If that's true then maybe there is controversy there?
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They didn’t look at a replay did they? That’s speculative
 

Some guy said:
They didn’t look at a replay did they? That’s speculative
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I was just going off what others said. Hard to know for sure, but seems pretty weird to change a call that late. Either the trash got to them or the in stadium replay changed their minds. Either way, not a good look.
 

MaxyJR1 said:
Saw a game in youth this year where the team made the extra point and it was the right call. The refs counted it and both teams were lined up for the kickoff when another official changed the call.
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"I'm 100% cert---"

"Bro, no way, 100% makes the call before everyone lines up... you not that..."
 

Pompous Elitist said:
Nobody bats an eye if this is decided in 20-30 seconds.
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That's the weird thing about it all. If other officials were convinced the call was wrong, they should have gotten together to correct it right away. It looks very fishy after announcing it, and then changing it after a very long delay.
 

GophersInIowa said:
That's the weird thing about it all. If other officials were convinced the call was wrong, they should have gotten together to correct it right away. It looks very fishy after announcing it, and then changing it after a very long delay.
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Yeah I don't mind them getting together.

I do think though if someone absolutely saw something then ... changing it should be kinda fast.

If not quickly changing it then how could anyone be that certain?

Exception being for actually complex rules, multi step situations, there are those.
 

A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
Yeah I don't mind them getting together.

I do think though if someone absolutely saw something then ... changing it should be kinda fast.

If not quickly changing it then how could anyone be that certain?

Exception being for actually complex rules, multi step situations, there are those.
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In the end they did get it right I guess so that is the most important thing. It was a horrible call to begin with.
 

BilldGopher said:
As you know all too well U2, Georgia fans are very happy with Kirby. They could be happier but not by much.

He is animated on the sidelines though...not unlike a certain coach we've come to appreciate here at M-I-N-N-E-S-O-T-A...

As an aside, before last night a common refrain for Dawg fans was "What time is it in Texas?" Answer: "10 to 9," which was the score of the 1984 Cotton Bowl where Georgia beat then No. 2 and undefeated Texas. The Horns would have been National Champs if they'd won. Happened to be there for that one myself in Red and Black. Priceless.

Will have to come up with a new one for a 30-15 final score last night.
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This whole idea that Fleck is animated on the sidelines miffs me. As I said in a different post, 90% of the time he's walking the sidelines or crouched at the line of scrimmage watching the snap.
 

Word said:
I was just going off what others said. Hard to know for sure, but seems pretty weird to change a call that late. Either the trash got to them or the in stadium replay changed their minds. Either way, not a good look.
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It’s horrible officiating just not unheard of
 

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