Uh Tubby? You have a scorer named Joe Coleman on your bench.

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Monty519 said:
Chip is definitely aggressive, and that trait probably needed to be used more yesterday. But to suggest that Austin Hollins is not athletic and isn't a B1G caliber player is quite surprising to me. He wasn't hitting his shots yesterday, yeah, but he's more than shown he has some athleticism and causes problems defensively getting tips and steals, etc.

I just can't understand some of the takes I read on this board sometimes, honestly.

Regarding Coleman, very disappointed to not see him garner more minutes yesterday, considering the circumstances. We needed guys out there who would be willing to attack that zone. I think giving Coleman and Chip minutes yesterday would have proven beneficial. We were giving up buckets anyway, might as well at least try to get the game moving by getting guys out there who are gonna scrap for buckets and try to apply pressure defensively.
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Agree. I wasn't sold on Coleman being ready, but he showed me a lot last night. After he was fouled on the missed dunk...he took it to the hole with force the next time down the court. He wasn't going to be denied. Tubby took him out soon after that.

If Austin could learn how to dribble, he would be a very nice player.
 

tikited said:
EE bangs about as much as Sampson does. I don't get how anyone (not saying you) sees the all-B1G type of player from what has been displayed so far?
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Eliason is way more physical than Sampson. Maybe you only pay attention when they have the ball in their hands, but even then Eliason is still more physical (Sampson tends to fall away and avoid contact when near the rim rather than take it up strong and draw a foul like Elliott does). Defensively Eliason doesn't crumple when guys are trying to back him down. He stands his ground and plays good defense. Also on the boards he doesn't let people push him around like Ralph consistently does. If the ball is in Eliason's area you can count on him to grab it. That's not always the case with Sampson.

For the record I do like Ralph, but there's no way that you can say he's as about as physical as EE. He gets pushed around way too much and gives up too many boards and it isn't even an issue with strength. He stands straight up and down under the boards and lets guys like Aaron White push him out of bounds on a weak side rebound that he had perfect position on. All he has to do is get low and fight back a little bit, but for some reason he just doesn't do it.
 

ShowinGoldyLove said:
I still think Coleman needs to be seeing more clock than he is out there...

He seems to be the only one that is aggressive 100% of the time and really goes after it...when a lot of our guys look like they don't even want to be out there.
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Agreed. It pissed me off when Coleman got pulled immediately after he made a nice drive and layup late in the game. In my opinion he needs at least 20 minutes a game. We need a guy who can get to the rim and make things happen. Also, I don't know what the stats say, but he's got to get to the free throw line with much more frequency than anyone else on our team right now. That's a nice quality to have.
 

dpodoll68 said:
Wait - are you insinuating that Austin Hollins is not athletic? I stopped reading the rest of your post after that.
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Compared to the players behind him in the rotation, yup.
 

tikited said:
EE bangs about as much as Sampson does. I don't get how anyone (not saying you) sees the all-B1G type of player from what has been displayed so far?
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He's far, far from an all B1G player and he's not a program changer, but at least he's aggressive and active.
 


GophersOnTheRise said:
Eliason is way more physical than Sampson. Maybe you only pay attention when they have the ball in their hands, but even then Eliason is still more physical (Sampson tends to fall away and avoid contact when near the rim rather than take it up strong and draw a foul like Elliott does). Defensively Eliason doesn't crumple when guys are trying to back him down. He stands his ground and plays good defense. Also on the boards he doesn't let people push him around like Ralph consistently does. If the ball is in Eliason's area you can count on him to grab it. That's not always the case with Sampson.

For the record I do like Ralph, but there's no way that you can say he's as about as physical as EE. He gets pushed around way too much and gives up too many boards and it isn't even an issue with strength. He stands straight up and down under the boards and lets guys like Aaron White push him out of bounds on a weak side rebound that he had perfect position on. All he has to do is get low and fight back a little bit, but for some reason he just doesn't do it.
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And he never will. What Ralph can do is shoot. When they threw that zone at us - Ralph should have been standing at the arc shooting the ball from outside. That might have worked - at least it might have saved us 6 turnovers. Tubby is just not creative enough to do it. He never imagined Rodney coudl be a power forward until he was forced into it. That move saved Rodney's college career. Same with Ralph - he cna help you down low against the man to man- against the zone he's a liability anywhere but on the perimeter.
 

Right on about Dusty and Blake. It's not just Hopkins. Let's put together a team from MN and surrounding States who have this love and passion for the game and will bust their butts for the U. Kind of sounds like the Wisconsin, Iowa, and N. Dakota programs, doesn't it --- and they are tough, hard-playing teams. Gosh - I wish we had a team to be excited about!
 

underground629 said:
Tubby prefers we pass the ball 5 ft away from the 3 point line until we have 5 seconds left on the shot clock. His offense is painful to watch. I think players are beaten after games if they play aggressively. God forbid a player ever drive to the hoop in our half-court offense and actually make a layup. And people on here hated Westbrook...
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It is painful. No consistency with Tub's messages and ...What Offense?
 

GophersOnTheRise said:
Eliason is way more physical than Sampson. Maybe you only pay attention when they have the ball in their hands, but even then Eliason is still more physical (Sampson tends to fall away and avoid contact when near the rim rather than take it up strong and draw a foul like Elliott does). Defensively Eliason doesn't crumple when guys are trying to back him down. He stands his ground and plays good defense. Also on the boards he doesn't let people push him around like Ralph consistently does. If the ball is in Eliason's area you can count on him to grab it. That's not always the case with Sampson.

For the record I do like Ralph, but there's no way that you can say he's as about as physical as EE. He gets pushed around way too much and gives up too many boards and it isn't even an issue with strength. He stands straight up and down under the boards and lets guys like Aaron White push him out of bounds on a weak side rebound that he had perfect position on. All he has to do is get low and fight back a little bit, but for some reason he just doesn't do it.
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From your take on EE-it sounds like he is the second coming of Shaq. Kidding of course, but I just don't see what you are, or at least enough to be really excited about his future. The positive is that he has time to keep improving.

Ralph will always be the kind of player who always disapoints no matter if it is fair or not-See: Dan Coleman.
 



Exactly. It was pathetic that we gave up that many fouls and couldn't seem to draw any because nobody would dribble inside the 3 point line. Iowa players would at least set screens, pump fake, or just try to beat a guy to penetrate and make something happen.

I can understand Tubby not playing Chip a whole lot when he settles for deep lasers every other possession, but Westbrook at least drove and was a very solid shooter and finisher.

I would've loved to see Coleman get more minutes last night.

SelectionSunday said:
Amen to that. Never understood the distaste for Westbrook.

Give me a few guys who are capable of or at least not afraid to say, "F it, I'm going to the rack." Seems to me Armelin and Coleman are 2 guys that at least try to make something happen. I'd rather see that than what we did most of last night.
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ShowinGoldyLove said:
I know many issues going on right now, but I can't for the life of me figure out why Coleman is getting 4-5 min a game.

Especially in a game like this tonight, where it was a basic run and gun game, everyone slashing and pushing the ball, Coleman gets 3 minutes?!?!

If anything, see what he can bring to the table in junk time where we're down 15-17 pts with a few minutes left. He was Mr. Basketball of the state with some pretty decent offers for a reason, I don't know what we're trying to accomplish by not giving him any clock whatsoever.

Tubby himself said that Joe can really score in a number of ways during the first month of practice, then he doesn't play him at all? I just don't get it.
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Was going to merely compare you equal to someone like Robert Knight in your basketball acumen, but, you, Sir, are now ShowingGoldyLovestradamus to me. One of the greatest OPs in GH history.
 

Austin Hollins isn't athletic? Hmm... Austin is better than Chip. Chip really only does one thing - shoot. Yes he has "energy" and yes, some games he will score, but he isn't consistent enough for Tubby to rely on him. He was awful defensively in the first half today.

We played well today, Coleman was a revelation (it's amazing what a little aggressiveness will get you), but Penn St. was HORRIBLE defensively. We took advantage and won, like the better team should.
 




MotherNight said:
Austin Hollins is the best defender on the team.
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I'd put Rodney up there with him. With an on ball defender like Nolen, this team would excel defensively. Hopefully Andre and joe can turn into that type of player.
 

tikited said:
EE bangs about as much as Sampson does. I don't get how anyone (not saying you) sees the all-B1G type of player from what has been displayed so far?
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Elliot's a Freshman, Ralph's a Senior. The kid's got good instincts, nice touch, a hook shot, can get up/down the court & tries to play aggressive, but...he's weak & still developing. Against finesse teams he seems to play very well, but he got mauled by that kid from Illinois and lost confidence. What I liked is that he was trying to bang, but being tossed around. Ralph's never tried to bang. As he gets stronger & grows into that body I think he'll become a monster.
 

Costa Rican Gopher said:
Elliot's a Freshman, Ralph's a Senior. The kid's got good instincts, nice touch, a hook shot, can get up/down the court & tries to play aggressive, but...he's weak & still developing. Against finesse teams he seems to play very well, but he got mauled by that kid from Illinois and lost confidence. What I liked is that he was trying to bang, but being tossed around. Ralph's never tried to bang. As he gets stronger & grows into that body I think he'll become a monster.
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