Tubby's Tenure

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Dean S said:
Zammie! Zammie! Zammie! I did not say Maturi. I did not say now. I did suggest that Maturi tell that bum "we expect more than laziness." And, I will add, he should say at soon as possible to someone on the Big Ten network, or ESPN, or tell it to someone who is not sitting in a Minnesota press room tonight. The stage needs to be set that Tubby is an under performer. We ought to complain out loud about him from the AD office. It ought to be repeated in one form or another until the guy decides to leave on his own.
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Good Lord. So we shouldn't fire him, we should begin a campaign to publicly undermine him until he quits? Really? Even if this were evilly genius instead of completely ridiculous, what in the world makes you think the current administration could properly execute such a plan? Yeah, that would really end well of the U. I can see it now.
 

Dean S said:
Of course, when we fire him, we could be viewed as expecting excellence in our program and not the doormat that we currently portray to the rest of the world. But, then, it is what we say at the time and our actions afterwards that set the tone. The AD could come out tonight and say, we expect more than laziness out of Tubby. I think that would catch the entire nations attention. Then, when we do fire him, we will have set the stage for setting our standards and not accepting the status quo.
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You've been drinking right?
 

howieramone said:
I'm against an extension at this time. I never bought possible recruiting woes outweighted making the right decision at the right time. I feel our sophomore to be class will take us dancing. I do not want to disrupt that group and certainly don't want to go thru another rebuilding process. I'm guessing a compromise can be worked out. No need to panic, I've seen much worse.
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Dancing? Wow. You can go 8-10 and go dancing in the Big Ten. Sophomore class? Don't make me laugh. Who the heck is a player in our sophomore class?
 

minngg said:
Dancing? Wow. You can go 8-10 and go dancing in the Big Ten. Sophomore class? Don't make me laugh. Who the heck is a player in our sophomore class?
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Dre, Coleman, EE, and Oto have all had flashes this year.
 

Dre and Coleman are not sophomores. So EE and Oto???? This is our dancing machine? lmao
 


minngg said:
Dre and Coleman are not sophomores. So EE and Oto???? This is our dancing machine? lmao
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When Howie talks about the Sophomore class he means the Sophomores to be. He's said it multiple times. And Dre, EE, Coleman, Oto, and Walker will all be sophomores next year. If we wanted they could form a starting lineup of their own.
 

howieramone said:
I'm against an extension at this time. I never bought possible recruiting woes outweighted making the right decision at the right time. I feel our sophomore to be class will take us dancing. I do not want to disrupt that group and certainly don't want to go thru another rebuilding process. I'm guessing a compromise can be worked out. No need to panic, I've seen much worse.
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The only way they go dancing is if they take a field trip to First Avenue. They were horrible tonight.
 

howeda7 said:
Good Lord. So we shouldn't fire him, we should begin a campaign to publicly undermine him until he quits? Really? Even if this were evilly genius instead of completely ridiculous, what in the world makes you think the current administration could properly execute such a plan? Yeah, that would really end well of the U. I can see it now.
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yeah, I know, it is probably harassment. could get the U in trouble. I feewl weely weely bad about tat. But, you have to admit that a little humiliation in public right now could get Tubby to think that Minnesota is not going to accept his half-baked coaching. Light a fire under him right now. Find a bus, a really brightly colored and massive bus to throw him under. make no bones about it that you expect more from a star coach of his reputation. Talk him up, his history, his national championship and express with dismay how crappy you feel about his low performance in the conference after 5 years. Nothing wrong with a little tongue lashing out in the public realm for our highly compensated, high expectation coach who is dogging it. Be dismayed that his recruits aren't that good. Be dismayed how he loses to Northwestern. Be dismayed that he didn't call a time out in a 20-0 run. Then let it be known that we hired him to prevent such things from happening. Why Lord, whyzie won't little old tubby call dat time out. Sniffle.
 

zambam said:
When Howie talks about the Sophomore class he means the Sophomores to be. He's said it multiple times. And Dre, EE, Coleman, Oto, and Walker will all be sophomores next year. If we wanted they could form a starting lineup of their own.
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Are they better than the sophomore class we had 3 years ago? You are also assuming no transfers. What in Tubby's history would lead you to this assumption?
 



minngg said:
Are they better than the sophomore class we had 3 years ago? You are also assuming no transfers. What in Tubby's history would lead you to this assumption?
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Go back to Wisconsin Badger fan!
 



Zambam - Did you say something? I have offered way to many solid arguments for keeping Tubby.
 





Parski1 said:
Zambam - Did you say something? I have offered way to many solid arguments for keeping Tubby.
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If you can give one logical reason why we should keep Tubby other than we won't have an AD til July, go ahead and say it. Honestly if you are willing to pay 2 million dollars to see a team that can't even run a good offensive set against the 1-3-1, that is just sad.
 

zambam said:
If you can give one logical reason why we should keep Tubby other than we won't have an AD til July, go ahead and say it. Honestly if you are willing to pay 2 million dollars to see a team that can't even run a good offensive set against the 1-3-1, that is just sad.
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I'm sorry but there are so many other factors beyond Tubby on why this team losing. Starting with the loss of crucial players.
 

Parski1 said:
I'm sorry but there are so many other factors beyond Tubby on why this team losing. Starting with the loss of crucial players.
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Other than the injuries to Trevor and Al, some blame has to be placed on Tubby. Devoe, you can probably say otherwise.
 

zambam said:
Other than the injuries to Trevor and Al, some blame has to be placed on Tubby. Devoe, you can probably say otherwise.
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Do you actually think we would be having this conversation tonight and reading this Tubby bashing if Mbakwe did not hurt his knee? Yes, when losing first person to attack is the coach - my point is the coach is getting hit way to hard do to other circumstances.
 

Parski1 said:
Do you actually think we would be having this conversation tonight and reading this Tubby bashing if Mbakwe did not hurt his knee? Yes, when losing first person to attack is the coach - my point is the coach is getting hit way to hard do to other circumstances.
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Do you really thinking have Trevor would make me ignore that the coaching staff couldn't figure out how to beat the 1-3-1 zone when it really isn't that difficult? If anything a player like Trevor masks the futility of a coaching staff.
Seriously, the only reason we lost that game is because we couldn't beat the 1-3-1 so constantly turned the ball over.
 

zambam said:
Do you really thinking have Trevor would make me ignore that the coaching staff couldn't figure out how to beat the 1-3-1 zone when it really isn't that difficult? If anything a player like Trevor masks the futility of a coaching staff.
Seriously, the only reason we lost that game is because we couldn't beat the 1-3-1 so constantly turned the ball over.
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Coaching staff can't be blamed for all 21 turnovers and (5-17) from 3pt. What is Tubby supposed to shoot the ball too? Yes - Mbakwe would have been a huge help tonight.
 

Parski1 said:
Do you actually think we would be having this conversation tonight and reading this Tubby bashing if Mbakwe did not hurt his knee? Yes, when losing first person to attack is the coach - my point is the coach is getting hit way to hard do to other circumstances.
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They had Trevor last year and went 6-12 in conference. They didn't have Nolen last year and don't have Nolen tbis year or a PG at this point that is as good as Nolen. No way of knowing what the conference record would be if Trevor was available. The fact is he isn't and they are now 5-9 without him and a combiined 11-21 with or wihtout him in conference play the lasr 2 years.
 

Parski1 said:
Coaching staff can't be blamed for all 21 turnovers and (5-17) from 3pt. What is Tubby supposed to shoot the ball too? Yes - Mbakwe would have been a huge help tonight.
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Did Tubby recruit guys he knew were going to be good 3 point shooters?
Did Tubby's gameplan play into the turnovers?
Would Trevor have made a few of those 3s?
I'm not denying Trevor would have helped, I am denying that winning with Trevor would change the fact that the gameplan was *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#. Idk how having a different PF would change that.
 

zambam said:
Did Tubby recruit guys he knew were going to be good 3 point shooters?
Did Tubby's gameplan play into the turnovers?
Would Trevor have made a few of those 3s?
I'm not denying Trevor would have helped, I am denying that winning with Trevor would change the fact that the gameplan was *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#. Idk how having a different PF would change that.
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One thing you have to remember this is a YOUNG team. They are learning and yes making mistakes. I think everybody is jumping the gun on the Fire Tubby comments. Ralph is the only guy leaving this year and I think Tubby will develop these young guys because he is a good coach.
 

Parski1 said:
One thing you have to remember this is a YOUNG team. They are learning and yes making mistakes. I think everybody is jumping the gun on the Fire Tubby comments. Ralph is the only guy leaving this year and I think Tubby will develop these young guys because he is a good coach.
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While I agree this team is young it still doesn't excuse the poor gameplan against that 1-3-1. There have been very few times this year where I felt confident in the gameplan from our coaching staff.
 

zambam said:
While I agree this team is young it still doesn't excuse the poor gameplan against that 1-3-1. There have been very few times this year where I felt confident in the gameplan from our coaching staff.
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Fine - you don't like the gameplan well maybe Tubby is limited in the gameplan he can run due to youth and inexperience (again 21 turnovers). That is were a senior like Mbakwe would have helped. This is were it will take time for this young team to get experience.
 

Parski1 said:
Fine - you don't like the gameplan well maybe Tubby is limited in the gameplan he can run due to youth and inexperience (again 21 turnovers). That is were a senior like Mbakwe would have helped. This is were it will take time for this young team to get experience.
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It is not complicated to beat a 1-3-1 and if our players were unable to figure out the offensive set we need to rethink the types of players we are recruiting.
 

Parski1 said:
One thing you have to remember this is a YOUNG team. They are learning and yes making mistakes. I think everybody is jumping the gun on the Fire Tubby comments. Ralph is the only guy leaving this year and I think Tubby will develop these young guys because he is a good coach.
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+1
 

GophersInIowa said:
This game was lost by stupidity, plain and simple. 21 turnovers, most of which were made because of dumb decisions.
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Broken record time for me: We are a dumb team period. The main reason is that we don't have a point guard. Welch hits a three now and then, but he simply can't pass well enough to be even an average PG. He makes way too many dumb decisions to be in charge (plus, tonight he gave up on a few plays resulting in easy points-not a good quality for your floor leader). Dre is worse. He is clueless as a PG-no feel for the position at all. Big risk hoping Dre is going to be the guy there. Mav...well, lets just stop there.

Until this problem is fixed we will see lots of turnovers.

Hate to say it, but this team is a mess.
 

tikited said:
Broken record time for me: We are a dumb team period. The main reason is that we don't have a point guard. Welch hits a three now and then, but he simply can't pass well enough to be even an average PG. He makes way too many dumb decisions to be in charge (plus, tonight he gave up on a few plays resulting in easy points-not a good quality for your floor leader). Dre is worse. He is clueless as a PG-no feel for the position at all. Big risk hoping Dre is going to be the guy there. Mav...well, lets just stop there.

Until this problem is fixed we will see lots of turnovers.

Hate to say it, but this team is a mess.
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Welch is a second tier B1G point guard. He's a stop-gap, filling the Cobbs void. I'm glad to have him, but he is what he is. Hollins is going to be very good, but right now he's up & down. How many times does he pull up his dribble, jump up in the air, turn & fire a weak pass cross-court to the breaking defender for a steal? That's not poor PG skills imo, that's poor basketball skills. Like a kid who's never had to pass out of anything in his life I guess? Growing pains I hope.
 

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