Tubby on Trevor: "I think he'll have another year"

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GW is right, the issue is the circumstances surrounding why Mbakwe missed his RS season.

This is the key by law:
"This waiver may be granted, based upon objective evidence, for reasons that are beyond the control of the student-athlete or the institution, which deprive the student-athlete of the opportunity to participate for more than one season in his/her sport within the five-year period."

The question becomes, were Mbakwe's legal problems outside of the his control (and) were they outside of the U's control. The basic mathematical formula is for a player being granted a medical redshirt, not a waiver to the 5 year rule.

There aren't many situations like Mbakwe's that I can think of where the player has gotten a 6th year. Usually it's an injury.

The only situation close is the John Beutjer situation where he was granted a sixth year even though he missed a season due to transferring, he transferred because he got into a fight with a teammate and he argued his coaches (at Iowa) didn't support him. That's the only kind of peculiar case where it wasn't obviously outside of the player's control that I can think of where a player got a sixth season.
 

Does the fact that Trevor played in only 7 games as a freshman at Marquette because of a knee injury and only 11 games at MN as a senior because of a knee injury factor into the NCAA's decision at all?
 


CDH27 said:
Does the fact that Trevor played in only 7 games as a freshman at Marquette because of a knee injury and only 11 games at MN as a senior because of a knee injury factor into the NCAA's decision at all?
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That's actually a good question, I am not entirely sure. Even if the NCAA looked at the year he sat out (his RS season) as something not outside of his control, I think you could still make an argument that he missed two seasons for reasons outside of his control (this past year and his first season).

I'm not sure how it plays out.
 


CDH27 said:
Does the fact that Trevor played in only 7 games as a freshman at Marquette because of a knee injury and only 11 games at MN as a senior because of a knee injury factor into the NCAA's decision at all?
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It shouldn't because the injury was at the beginning of the season & when he entered a game late in the season it was full knowledge that one second of play would use up a full year of eligibility. It was a calculated decision (that some fans liked while others thought it was a bad decision at the time).
 

Gopher Warrior said:
It shouldn't because the injury was at the beginning of the season & when he entered a game late in the season it was full knowledge that one second of play would use up a full year of eligibility. It was a calculated decision (that some fans liked while others thought it was a bad decision at the time).
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I didn't know that. That was a silly decision. Yeah, then it likely wouldn't matter.

One thing I find interesting about the language of the 6th year requirements (5 year eligibility waiver) is that it has less specific instructions than does the medical redshirt requirement. That is why you can be really precise when you guess if a guy can get a medical redshirt (Stoud and Kirkwood in football), but it is a bit more of a guessing game with the being granted a sixth year.

The rule describes the medical situations which could lead to a sixth year as "Situations clearly supported by contemporaneous medical documentation, which states that a student-athlete is unable to participate in intercollegiate competition as a result of incapacitating physical or mental circumstances…".
-Now it doesn't have the precise requirements as the medical RS requirements
-It might be hard for Mbakwe to argue that he had an incapacitating physical circumstance when he came back to play that season (opens up a gigantic loophole, like how much of the year could you miss for an injury to be incapacitating?

I think his better argument would be that he missed this year to injury and his RS year to circumstances outside of his control (being accused of something he did not do).

Note: I'm not saying he did or did not do anything in Florida, i'm just stating what I think his best argument would be.
 



Some tweets from Trevor tonight:

"I wish I was good at being patient"

"Wow this is crazy I'm in denial right now."

"I love bball too much to ever take advantage of it. I swear on everything that even if I don't come back the gophers wont be on the bubble next year"

"Wow I'm not ready to leave at all I love my teammates so much if u couldn't tell. They make me so happy"

Go Gophers!!
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
I didn't know that. That was a silly decision. Yeah, then it likely wouldn't matter.

The rule describes the medical situations which could lead to a sixth year as "Situations clearly supported by contemporaneous medical documentation, which states that a student-athlete is unable to participate in intercollegiate competition as a result of incapacitating physical or mental circumstances…".
-Now it doesn't have the precise requirements as the medical RS requirements
-It might be hard for Mbakwe to argue that he had an incapacitating physical circumstance when he came back to play that season (opens up a gigantic loophole, like how much of the year could you miss for an injury to be incapacitating?

I think his better argument would be that he missed this year to injury and his RS year to circumstances outside of his control (being accused of something he did not do).

Note: I'm not saying he did or did not do anything in Florida, i'm just stating what I think his best argument would be.
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The medical criteria is the the same as a hardship waiver... "How much of the year could you miss for an injury to be incapacitating" -- it goes back to the 'unable to play for the remainder of the year', 'no games in second half of the season', and 'played in less than 30% of the games, all in the first half of the season', which all were clearly not met in his first year of college.

Yes, that is the argument -- unfair accusation, but holding him out of competition was for the best best and a respectable stance for the school to make which benefited him as a student -- and it would have been one you could have made. However, the facts that (1) the school flip-flopped on their handling of the matter (i.e., one year they didn't let him play because the case was unresolved, and the next year they did let him play when the case was unresolved (not to mention the other case that arose during the 4th year in college)) and (2) he's been found guilty in a court of law in the matter makes the 'being accused of something he did not do' a little bit tough to argue. "Uh oh".

Now, the U could try to document a story that is cut off early (i.e., we let him play once he entered into a pretrial diversion program... end of story... ), but I don't think they'd try to get away with that and if they did, I don't think the Committee would fail to ask the proper follow up questions which would bring to light (1) and (2) above.

It's all really too bad, but that is where things are at. I hope he's a star in the NBA and basketball fans worldwide hear "Trevor Mbakwe, the Minnesota Golden Gopher" on TV every game night, but the likelihood of him playing anymore at the U is super slim.
 

GW is the MAN

Gold Vision said:
Lay off GW, he's a real life MFer that's done plenty... starting to head deep into chill mode but still down to whyl out on occasion.. pizda. It was no joke back then and still into today.

Dig a little deeper and you'll see why GW pisses so many of you guys off.
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The part of this post I understand, I agree with :)

GW is a poster whose hoops opinions have basis in facts and is one of the posters whose input is the best on the board, IMHO.

It is amusing how some folks are ticked off by his posts.

GW :clap::clap::clap:
 

It's almost as Bob and GW are one.

Gopher Warrior said:
the likelihood of him playing anymore at the U is super slim.
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Didn't you have the likelihood of him not playing mid-season because of his legal case? That was squashed and a non-factor.
 



I have no idea if TM will be back. I would like someone with more knowledge about his injury to respond to the issue of when he will be physically ready to play basketball, wherever that may be. Is it fair to say that it won't be until around the first of the year? We also have the scolarship issue -- who gets run off?
 

Even if he is granted another year, he will go make 6 figures playing in Europe.......Good luck TM!
 


Tweet don't pay the Bills. He is older than Kevin love for Gods sake...I hope he comes back. Even if he gets a shot, the lure of Money and supporting his familiy will take precedence.
 

millions2spare said:
Tweet don't pay the Bills. He is older than Kevin love for Gods sake...I hope he comes back. Even if he gets a shot, the lure of Money and supporting his familiy will take precedence.
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Little money in Europe (relatively speaking) vs playing and enjoying another yeah with the team he loves and shooting for a first round draft pick and serious money.
 

minngg said:
Typical rip the poster post. The man can have his own opinions can't he? Or do all Gopher fans have to think like you?
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So it's okay for you to rip on those who start a positive thread, but this isn't okay? You're such a hypocrite.
 

As for Tubby's quote, what is he supposed to say? "No, his career here is probably over. That really sucks for him."

It continues to amaze me how much people take from what a coach says to the media, especially something like this. It's coach speak.
 

GophersInIowa said:
As for Tubby's quote, what is he supposed to say? "No, his career here is probably over. That really sucks for him."

It continues to amaze me how much people take from what a coach says to the media, especially something like this. It's coach speak.
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Agree ^
 

If I were on the committee, I'd accept Mbakwe's request (assuming he makes it) for another year of eligibility. He lost a year because of the slow legal process that held him out.
 

FanSinceTheFifties said:
If I were on the committee, I'd accept Mbakwe's request (assuming he makes it) for another year of eligibility. He lost a year because of the slow legal process that held him out.
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Unfortunately that's not true. He missed a year because the U decided not to play him.

Later the next season and again this season, the U changed their stance of holding him out of games until the issue was resolved and they did let him play (the only change in the decision makers between periods was Kaler in as President, so maybe it was him saying let him play - would be interesting to know).

It wasn't until a month ago that the case was resolved. Based on their earlier stance, one might expect the University to have a concern with the fact he was found guilty in a court of law in the matter, but it appears that they don't.
 

FanSinceTheFifties said:
If I were on the committee, I'd accept Mbakwe's request (assuming he makes it) for another year of eligibility. He lost a year because of the slow legal process that held him out.
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The slow legal process is nothing out of the ordinary. Look at how long this Amy Senser crap is taking to unfold. I have a hard time seeing this "committee" awarding a 6th year to a player with all of these legal and transfer issues throughout his career. 3 different colleges (after 3-4 different high schools), a restraining order against one woman, an alleged assault against another, and flirting with transferring to a 4th college. Anyone who thinks the alleged assault in Miami was simply mistaken identity, you're kidding yourself.
 

Art Vandelay said:
a restraining order against one woman, an alleged assault against another, and flirting with transferring to a 4th college. Anyone who thinks the alleged assault in Miami was simply mistaken identity, you're kidding yourself.
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Well, if the Committee considers the legal matters they shouldn't try to judge criminal guilt or innocence themselves. If both matters were still unresolved, they could just say, "well, we don't know... but we'll give the benefit of the doubt to Mbakwe". Unfortunately, the courts have already decided there is guilt is the harassment case (violation of a restraining order) and guilt in the assault of a Florida woman, so that is what they will work with.
 

C'mon GW...

I hope he's a star in the NBA and basketball fans worldwide hear "Trevor Mbakwe, the Minnesota Golden Gopher" on TV every game night,
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I'm not sure I buy that.
 

Jesse needs to go.

Gopher Warrior said:
Well, if the Committee considers the legal matters they shouldn't try to judge criminal guilt or innocence themselves. If both matters were still unresolved, they could just say, "well, we don't know... but we'll give the benefit of the doubt to Mbakwe". Unfortunately, the courts have already decided there is guilt is the harassment case (violation of a restraining order) and guilt in the assault of a Florida woman, so that is what they will work with.
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You are an piece of work.

The best thing you could do is have no comment on Mbakwe issues, because you always come off as a jackass. I notice you hardly have any followers an a gazillion tweets, way to go.
 


millions2spare said:
Tweet don't pay the Bills. He is older than Kevin love for Gods sake...I hope he comes back. Even if he gets a shot, the lure of Money and supporting his familiy will take precedence.
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Kevin Love born September 7, 1988
Trevor Mbakwe born January 24, 1989
 

dpodoll68 said:
I don't know where in the hell this came from, or how it is relevant to anything, but it is absolutely not true.
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Kevin love: 09/07/1988
Trevor Mbakwe: 01/24/1989

Kevin love is definitely older than Mbakwe by about 139 days.
 

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