Thoughts on Cade Tyson from those that saw exhibition games

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Didn't see any of the two exhibition games but looking at box scores it looks like Cade was far and away our best player in those 2 games scoring 28 and 26 points while shooting a really high percentage from both 2 and 3.

For those that did see the games how do you think his game will translate as the degree of difficulty increases in the regular season?

He was a double digit scorer at Belmont but didn't do much at North Carolina last year. Can he be the offensive leader for this team?
 

Tyson will bury an open look when he catches the ball and his feet are set.
Tyson showed a sneaky ability to tap in a couple offensive rebounds around bigger players.
Tyson is certainly more athletic than Durkins, but he doesn't have great handles to create his shot off the dribble. If he has to do that, then the Gophers will be in a world of hurt. I think this last point is why he didn't do well at UNC. He was being required to do something that isn't his strong suit. Here, I think Niko is going to have a more fluid offense that will get Tyson better looks in catch and shoot opportunities.
 


Tyson's minutes last year for UNC went like this:
16
1
21
15
3
1
2
8
5
21
etc.

It's hard to get into much of a rhythm when your minutes are all over the place like that. Hopefully he gets back to being the player he was prior to UNC. I'm excited to see what he can do.
 

GophersInIowa said:
Tyson's minutes last year for UNC went like this:
16
1
21
15
3
1
2
8
5
21
etc.

It's hard to get into much of a rhythm when your minutes are all over the place like that. Hopefully he gets back to being the player he was prior to UNC. I'm excited to see what he can do.
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Hubert Davis seems to be more of a get great talent and let them make plays coach. I hope Tyson fits in a whole lot better in Niko's system.
 
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The difference will be that he's not going to get those looks versus teams game planning for him with better athletes. Then he'll start pressing and rushing shots to get them off and the percentage will drop.
Maybe Niko has enough movement to get him open looks?

But, in general we need a couple other guys to emerge as consistent scoring threats to occupy more defenders.. Seems like we need more firepower...at at least one other threat.

I would think Tyson will be fairly easy to shut down? Doesn't seem like a guy who can use the bounce to get defenders in foul trouble. I know he has shot some free throws but doesn't seem like the kind of player who will live at the line.



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60's Guy said:
The difference will be that he's not going to get those looks versus teams game planning for him with better athletes. Then he'll start pressing and rushing shots to get them off and the percentage will drop.
Maybe Niko has enough movement to get him open looks?

But, in general we need a couple other guys to emerge as consistent scoring threats to occupy more defenders.. Seems like we need more firepower...at at least one other threat.

I would think Tyson will be fairly easy to shut down? Doesn't seem like a guy who can use the bounce to get defenders in foul trouble. I know he has shot some free throws but doesn't seem like the kind of player who will live at the line.
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Aren’t you just a ray of sunshine today 60’s Guy…..
 

Gophers are going to need other scorers when they get to B1G play. Tyson will score when he gets his feet set, he's pretty consistent. If they don't have balanced scoring I doubt he gets the looks against the likes of Izzo and others in the B1G.
 




I think he definitely looks the part of a Big Ten wing and will be our top scorer. He showed flashes of real athleticism and creation in both exhibition games. He also scored at all three levels as a Sophomore at Belmont (see highlights). He's definitely not just a “feet set” shooter. That may be Durkin’s role, but Tyson has got a much higher ceiling and complete game.

 

Ironically (I’m still interested to see if it falls off as we get into the season) I see it the opposite way. I feel that Tyson needs to be “The Guy” in order to dominate a game. For UNC and all of their talent, he was just “A Guy”. I think there is a legitimate chance that Tyson is 1st or 2nd B1G this year as there will be plenty of opportunities for him to make his mark.
 

I think there have been plenty of people in the B1G that have been successful with less athleticism than Cade. I agree he is going to have to have a quick release and be able to shoot while pressured. It does seem like he's not afraid to put the ball on the deck and go around an out of control closeout though.
 

jovs said:
Gophers are going to need other scorers when they get to B1G play. Tyson will score when he gets his feet set, he's pretty consistent. If they don't have balanced scoring I doubt he gets the looks against the likes of Izzo and others in the B1G.
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On the other hand, if coaches do set up their defenses to stop Tyson, and Tyson moves the ball within the Niko offense- others will get open looks. In the past we have had star players who were operating in a less movement and pass oriented offense who ended up forcing shots that were lower percentage and their efficiency went down.
 



60's Guy said:
The difference will be that he's not going to get those looks versus teams game planning for him with better athletes. Then he'll start pressing and rushing shots to get them off and the percentage will drop.
Maybe Niko has enough movement to get him open looks?

But, in general we need a couple other guys to emerge as consistent scoring threats to occupy more defenders.. Seems like we need more firepower...at at least one other threat.

I would think Tyson will be fairly easy to shut down? Doesn't seem like a guy who can use the bounce to get defenders in foul trouble. I know he has shot some free throws but doesn't seem like the kind of player who will live at the line.



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This has been the staple of all of Niko's teams. Don't think it'll be perfect this year by any means, but we also have way more guys who can hit an open shot on the team this year consistently that you actually have to guard. Omot, Reynolds, Stephens, Tyson, Asuma, Crocker-Johnson, and Durkin have all shot over 35% for seasons at the college level from 3.

Last year we had Garcia and Asuma as the only ones who did that with only 3 other guys who'd ever done it and they were forced into a dribble the shit out of the ball with no movement offense. And even better, there are numerous guys with size who will be able to shoot over close outs unlike basically everyone but DG was able to last year
 

My take: Tyson is a lot more than just a slow, 3 point shooter. He can put the ball on the floor competently, run transition, rebound pretty well for his position, has a B1G build (probably put on 10-20lbs of muscle since that 22-23 highlight reel) & of course is a very good 3 point shooter. He won't average 25ppg (or whatever he did in the two exhibitions?), but he should be our leading scorer. The problem at UNC was the system didn't suit his skills, not that he can't play at a high level, or that Davis can't coach. Nike spotted that Tyson would be perfect for his system, and pursued him aggressively.

With either Tyson or Durkin on the floor at all times, there will never be a time defenses don't have to send a forward to guard the perimeter. With Vaihola & Grove handling in the high post a lot, that should open things up even more. If the other guys (Willis, Asuma, Omot & JCJ) can shoot just decent from outside, that should really open up the lane. Reynolds is a beast driving to the hole, and Willis is very quick to the hole as well. We have versatility on offense now. The ball movement, and versatility has me really excited.

It's also exciting to see we're a legit 9 deep as well. I think people are going to be very impressed with our second unit. Omot is a scorer, and defensively very good. Reynolds brings an energy/intensity the fans will love, and when locked in, is an excellent defender. Durkin will roam the perimeter and bury open shots. Grove will surprise people this year in a role that finally suits him. He'll be out top of the perimeter a lot drawing the other team's center/5 away from the basket, and popping 3's if they don't.

Niko's system is predicated on ball movement, and it really showed in the 1st two exhibitions. We won't win every game of course, but you can see/feel there's a flipping game plan on offense now.
 

bga1 said:
Hubert Davis seems to be more of a get great talent and let them make plays coach. I hope Tyson fits in a whole lot better in Niko's system.
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Hubert Davis is one of my predictions to be gone after this year. I don't think he is a very good coach.

This will be called fan fiction, but Kyan to Minny next year?
 

upnorthkid said:
This has been the staple of all of Niko's teams. Don't think it'll be perfect this year by any means, but we also have way more guys who can hit an open shot on the team this year consistently that you actually have to guard. Omot, Reynolds, Stephens, Tyson, Asuma, Crocker-Johnson, and Durkin have all shot over 35% for seasons at the college level from 3.

Last year we had Garcia and Asuma as the only ones who did that with only 3 other guys who'd ever done it and they were forced into a dribble the shit out of the ball with no movement offense. And even better, there are numerous guys with size who will be able to shoot over close outs unlike basically everyone but DG was able to last year
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Bottom line, from what I have seen- we have not had a drop off in talent from last year and we will have a better coached team. I think we will have a better year than last year.
 


The better big ten teams definitely will over play Tyson on his 3 pt shot, and force him inside the line. He seems to have enough skill and athleticism to make those moves. While 28 and 26 ppg aren't realistic for the big ten, I think 15ppg is probable.

Willis and Reynolds have the ability to beat their man and get to the rim and find shooters, or big men for layups/dunks. There are the 3's he will get in transition, and off set plays, out of bounds, etc.
 

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