Things will be worse next year

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Rotundo said:
I am afraid to say I agree with pewter. Next year is going to be very tough for this team and the schedule is definitely more challenging. For those who disagree - I wonder what you are expecting record-wise for next year. 8-4? 7-5?

It is true though that you would have to expect us to get better on the OL although I thought we would improve this year but that didn't happen so maybe not.

Brew always says he wants to coach in the biggest games possible. Well, he has another chance this Saturday to show us something. Until he does I can't consider him anything other than a guy in way over his head who loves to talk like a bigtime football coach to make up for the fact he is not one.
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OH GOD!!! WATCH OUT FOR THE SKY!!! IT'S FALLING!!!!
 

Seniors are moving on to the rest of their lives...

talented new blood is coming up...that's college fb...and for me in fan-dom, with every new season, that's a terrific, unknown and exciting part of the mix!
 

Just stating what I'm seeing.

We'll be decided underdogs in at least 7 of the 12 games next year and we all know the Gophs haven't pulled too many of those games out of the hat in the past 8 years. Looking at the schedule, the gophers may only be favored in 4 of the 12 games (3 NC games excluding USC and NW at home) while the game at Purdue looks like a coin flip.

Add in the fact that we'll probably only have 6 senior starters next year while losing 10 to 13 starters from this year's team(depending on how you classify a starter) and it's not pretty.

An inexperienced team with mostly unproven players going up against that schedule and any objective party would acknowledge that it'll be worse next year. Brewster needs to pull some magic bunny out of his hat or the calls for his head will only intensify. Missing a bowl game next year is a strong possibility and after 4 years with a roster made up almost entirely of his recruited players will be perceived as a huge negative towards Brewster.

Point of the original post was that things will get worse before they get better around here and the pressure will only increase on Brewster.

BTW - whoever posted that it's contradictary stating that losing (crappy) seniors is a problem...not how I see it. I see the majority of the playmakers on this team coming from the senior class. Take them off the team and it's a disaster. The underclassman will have another year under their belt heading into next year but they're all mostly unknown quantities. However, outside of a few, I haven't seen much in terms of a meaningful contribution and the 'ol saying goes "if they were better, they would be playing." That blanket statement obviously doesn't apply to everyone as experience can be the tiebreaker when dividing up playing time but it's not like we're sitting on some rich goldmine of underclassman talent as if that were the case, they would have replaced the senior starts already.
 

Yes...nothing new here...

next year will be another tough year...the same has been said for nearly every year of the past 40 years before every new season.

As has been pointed out and documented here repeatedly, that forecast will only likely change when the Gs talent match-up improves materially vs their opponents with continued improvement in recruiting...also well-documented on this board.
 

I think the players who will be asked to step up and play next year will be better than those they are replacing. The current players have played their hearts out and deserve our praise but many of them were not highly regarded coming out of high school. At LB Maresh, Cooper, Tinsley, Reeves were more highly rated than the current group of lb's. I think Jacobs, Garin, Hageman, GregoryMcGhee will be an upgrade in talent at DE. We need another go CB to go with Carter. We need to add some depth at DT to go with Edwards.(Jacque maybe or move Jacobs inside)
QB will be better as Webber will have improved or will have been replaced by Gray. A WR will have to step up. Same at RB. On the O-Line we will improve with the return of Wynn from injury FR Michel and Olsen and hopefully a recruit(Gayden/Henderson) will make the line better.
Just an opinion from a kool-aid drinker.
 


Its not McDonalds

Brewster has only 1 year of players who are soph. and redshirt frosh. plus

this years true frosh. and any jucos. His first year was lost to his hiring after most recruits had allready signed. Give the guy a break! Next years class is shaping up very nicely. We are getting the quality of recruits we have not had since the early 60s.
We lost 40 years due to de-emphasizing football. Thanks to the admin. for our current, friendlier environment. GO GOPHERS!!
 

One of the good things Brewster has done the past 2 years is play a lot of underclassmen so when next year does arrive, many of the sophs and jrs will have quite a few snaps under their belt. All the RB's will have experience along with Lair at TE and all the WR's. The entire O-Line returns along with all the QB's. On defense DT's Kirksey and Edwards return along with DE's Jacobs and Wilhite. Cooper and Tinsley are getting experience at LB this season which Triplett didn't get until this his senior year. With Maresh amd Reeves in the program for a year they should be ready to blossom next season. The DB's will be young but Carter, Theret, and Royston do return along with some talented red-shirts.

My biggest question would be what postion Lamonte Edwards will play next year. He could be the big RB we have been waiting 4 years to run the ball. The Gophers will return quite a few players who have a great deal of experience next year and hopefully Brewster's recruits are as talented and ready to play. I do like the size and speed of next year's defense.
 

Pewterschmidt said:
Just stating what I'm seeing.

We'll be decided underdogs in at least 7 of the 12 games next year and we all know the Gophs haven't pulled too many of those games out of the hat in the past 8 years. Looking at the schedule, the gophers may only be favored in 4 of the 12 games (3 NC games excluding USC and NW at home) while the game at Purdue looks like a coin flip.

Add in the fact that we'll probably only have 6 senior starters next year while losing 10 to 13 starters from this year's team(depending on how you classify a starter) and it's not pretty.

An inexperienced team with mostly unproven players going up against that schedule and any objective party would acknowledge that it'll be worse next year. Brewster needs to pull some magic bunny out of his hat or the calls for his head will only intensify. Missing a bowl game next year is a strong possibility and after 4 years with a roster made up almost entirely of his recruited players will be perceived as a huge negative towards Brewster.

Point of the original post was that things will get worse before they get better around here and the pressure will only increase on Brewster.

BTW - whoever posted that it's contradictary stating that losing (crappy) seniors is a problem...not how I see it. I see the majority of the playmakers on this team coming from the senior class. Take them off the team and it's a disaster. The underclassman will have another year under their belt heading into next year but they're all mostly unknown quantities. However, outside of a few, I haven't seen much in terms of a meaningful contribution and the 'ol saying goes "if they were better, they would be playing." That blanket statement obviously doesn't apply to everyone as experience can be the tiebreaker when dividing up playing time but it's not like we're sitting on some rich goldmine of underclassman talent as if that were the case, they would have replaced the senior starts already.
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Like I said, your mind has been made up. You are not reading the opinions that differ from your own or taking their points into consideration. So be it. We'll see how it goes next year and I welcome you to return and post a link to this discussion if the Gophers go 2-12.
 

I read the opinions that differ from mine. I just so happen to disagree with them. Just because I read an opinion that states the moon landing was fake doesn't mean I'm going to agree with it. What's your point in this all? I'm here on a message board stating my opinion that things will continue to get worse before they get better and I back it up with my points. That's it. Nothing more...and I get hammered for my opinion by Kool-Aid drinkers.
 



Your reasoning is that the underclassman are better than the seniors. I say prove it first. Until then, I'll say inexperience will be a more of a deciding factor against next year's brutal schedule.
 


I just read it for the 3rd time for your sake and so what? Doesn't change my opinion that the few good players on this team that have shown something are seniors and that next year's schedule will be really difficult for a team lacking in experience.
 

Pewterschmidt said:
Your reasoning is that the underclassman are better than the seniors. I say prove it first. Until then, I'll say inexperience will be a more of a deciding factor against next year's brutal schedule.
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you say prove it first but yet you have already decided that next year will be worse based on experience alone and the schedule. you may or may not be right but if you are going with "prove it first" then you probably shouldn't have already made up your mind about it until it is proved either way. which is pretty much what I think some others in this thread are trying to say.
 



Pewterschmidt said:
Your reasoning is that the underclassman are better than the seniors. I say prove it first. Until then, I'll say inexperience will be a more of a deciding factor against next year's brutal schedule.
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Just to clarify, if this team does look worse next season, what will that mean to you? Your posts make it seem like you think Brewster will be on the hot seat next year, I'm just curious if you think that he deserves to be fired if it's a Motor City Bowl/No bowl kind of season in 2010. It looks from this post that you're at least conceding that the younger players are more talented, just won't be ready next season. (Which is pretty much what I think, but that just makes me more convinced that Brewster needs until at least the 2011-2012 season to show what he can do.)
 

Pewterschmidt said:
I just read it for the 3rd time for your sake and so what? Doesn't change my opinion that the few good players on this team that have shown something are seniors and that next year's schedule will be really difficult for a team lacking in experience.
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Okay good. So at the very least you shouldn't be asking what my opinion is again. Other than that, we have come full circle. You have stated your opinion and there isn't anything that anyone can say to change your mind. You are convinced that next year's team will be worse because this year's team has a lot of seniors. I [still] hear you.
 


I thought we would be terrible at MLB last year, and then Campbell filled the spot. I thought we would be weak with two light LB's of Cooper and Lawrence flanking campbell, but then Triplett showed up. I thought we would be weak at DE, and we are still waiting for someone to show up :).

Most people thought we would be better at FS, and we aren't. There is a lot of speculation back and forth about where we think we will be. Sometimes we are right, sometimes we are wrong. It is up to the kids in the younger class to work hard, and take advantage of an opportunity. I am once again worried about MLB :). I hope someone steps up :).
 

My opinion certainly has been wrong before and it may be wrong here but if I were a betting man, I would bet on worse '10 season.

I'm playing off history here. Returning starters is important when facing a tough schedule. I'm not going to place my predictions based on wishes that unproven players are improvements over the current starters.

To answer another question...yes..Brewster should be on a very hot seat if in his 4th year his team fails to even make the worst of the bowls. 6-6 makes a bowl game. If he can't find 6 wins next year with a team made up almost entirely of his players, then he should be let go, regardless of the difficulty of the schedule.
 

Pewterschmidt said:
I read the opinions that differ from mine. I just so happen to disagree with them. Just because I read an opinion that states the moon landing was fake doesn't mean I'm going to agree with it. What's your point in this all? I'm here on a message board stating my opinion that things will continue to get worse before they get better and I back it up with my points. That's it. Nothing more...and I get hammered for my opinion by Kool-Aid drinkers.
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Actually, if you took a persuasive writing class at any point in your life, you would understand that it is extremely easy to make your own points and back them up. The real challenge is taking the valid points of those who oppose you and finding ways to diminish their opinions, thus causing those "koolaid drinkers" to cast doubts on their own beliefs.

It isn't, "I'm right because (insert inane opinion), and that's it, YOU DRINK KOOLAID, BREWSTER IS TEH SUXZOR," it's "You're actually incorrect because you state (a) and (b) is what is actually occurring." And because no one on here is actually right because we have no frigging clue what the hell is going to happen next year let alone next week, this conversation is pointless.

All we know is that Brew is recruiting well, his players are young, and we have no other choice than to put a lot of Mason's older players in because they have the extra years of experience and strength conditioning. Losses don't matter for me in "big time" games because of our rotating door policy as of late. We are where a lot of us expected to be. I will bide my time and believe for a 'lil while longer.
 

Agreed...

if Brew can't get 6 wins next year and fan support fades at the Bank, he's on the hot seat IMHO.
 

I'm more with FrozenGopher here, then. I don't even start talking about needing results from Brew until next year, and wouldn't consider replacing him until he has at least one year where these are all his kids (so, the 2012 offseason).

...now all I have to do is find a way to become the AD between now and then.
 

100% correct

Pewter hit the nail right on the head. I've been thinking this all season.

I love how the current LB trio are "studs" but all of sudden they're very replacable.

Who's going to catch the ball next year? Brandon Green will be the best returning WR and he's average at best.

Who's going to run the ball? Kevin Whaley is still unproven and even if he turns out to be OK, he can't do it alone.

Who's going to throw the ball? Weber has clearly regressed due to 1) a former glorified team manager that never even played high school football changing his throwing motion, and 2) the change in offensive philosophy...he's a spread QB. Gray? Well he hasn't thrown a pass in a real game for 3 years and if he was any good, he would be playing more right now. Alipate? Please...he will never play a down for the Gophers at QB. Maybe TE?

Who's going to cover opposing WR's? Carter? He can't do it alone. Theret? LOL!! I'm just glad "no play" Traye will be gone.

Special teams with Ellestad is about the only area returning players that will not regress.
 

In my view "hot seat" doesn't mean fired...

but rather that his bosses will have to look hard for the positives to keep him if the W/L record is considered disappointing relative to his BT peers after Brew's 4th year.

Also, there could be concern that if fan support starts ebbing at the Bank, that is not good for fb program revenues down the road and thus the AD's budgetary needs.

All this needs to be balanced from the AD's perspective by the fact that he hired a proven recruiter rather than a proven HC. "Giving up too early" on Brew might make it extremely difficult to sustain high-level recruiting and overcome the view that the Minny HC job...for whatever reason...is very unstable and thus not attractive to an experienced winner. Time will tell.
 

Art, you're also implying that no one will improve between this season and next season. I understand that you've been a "downtrodden" Gopher fan for a long time, but come on. The playing of "My Heart Bleeds For You" needs to stop.
 

Art Vandelay said:
Pewter hit the nail right on the head. I've been thinking this all season.

I love how the current LB trio are "studs" but all of sudden they're very replacable. - If Brewster has recruited 2 positions well, one of them is LB. We've got good players back there now, but the people replacing them should eventually be better...up in the air how long that takes, though.

Who's going to catch the ball next year? Brandon Green will be the best returning WR and he's average at best. -Green and Stoudamire are both Sophmores with plenty of room to improve. Hayo could still easily contribute a lot next season.

Who's going to run the ball? Kevin Whaley is still unproven and even if he turns out to be OK, he can't do it alone. -Who's running the ball now?? All of our RBs are undeclassmen who, again, should improve.

Who's going to throw the ball? Weber has clearly regressed due to 1) a former glorified team manager that never even played high school football changing his throwing motion, and 2) the change in offensive philosophy...he's a spread QB. Gray? Well he hasn't thrown a pass in a real game for 3 years and if he was any good, he would be playing more right now. Alipate? Please...he will never play a down for the Gophers at QB. Maybe TE? - We will see at least a 2-man QB competition going into next year, if not 3. Brew has brought a top 15 QB prospect each of the last two years. May the best man win.

Who's going to cover opposing WR's? Carter? He can't do it alone. Theret? LOL!! I'm just glad "no play" Traye will be gone. - Looks like there could be a hole there, but Carter should be good eventually.

Special teams with Ellestad is about the only area returning players that will not regress. - if anything, our kicking game should improve. The kid they're bringing in this year has a lot of leg (per Scouts, may be the best all around kicker/punter in the class)
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RedPoo said:
Sorry to go back to an earlier post, but I think this is the essence of almost every lamentation I've heard here about Brewster's coaching, and I think it's an important point.
During the Mason years, we had a team that was, on paper, outclassed by most of the Big Ten. However, due to a well-schemed offense, and talent concentrated in the right places, we were able to make up some of the difference and compete with deeper and more talented teams like Wisky, Iowa, etc. We have, in some ways rightly, come to expect our team to sometimes over-achieve, catch a better team napping on us, etc.

The move from Mason to Brewster brought a massive change in philosophy for this team. Mase had a solid staff with a good scheme on offense and got his teams to play above their heads. Brewster, on the other hand, is completely untested as a field general/game planner. He was brought in specifically to improve the talent on this team, in the hopes that he learned to coach while building up the talent to compete with our rivals on equal or better-than-equal footing. The belief being (and I for one am in full agreement) that we are better served in building a strong foundation of talent than in continuing to scrape by through pouring all the talent into the run game and hoping that can carry us to one or two 'magical' years. Unfortunately, since our chances of getting Nick Saban to Minnesota didn't look good, the AD decided we had to sacrifice some coaching to get the recruiting...that's the way it goes sometimes.

The upshot of all this is that, since we don't have the talent yet, and Brewster doesn't have the knowledge or the scheme that Mason did, we are no longer able to beat more talented teams. For a fan base that's used to doing just that on a fairly regular basis, it can be tough to swallow. However, if Brewster continues to bring in the level of player he has been getting, and can learn a thing or two and get his coordinators in sync with the team, the time will come when we no longer need to overachieve to beat our conference rivals. When that day comes, if the coaching staff can get their heads on straight and get their own good schemes/styles, the seasons we overachieve will be Rose Bowl years instead of 10-3 with a mid-tier bowl win. In my opinion, a shot at that is worth it. If Brewster and his staff can't figure out how to coach this talent to wins when the team is finally filled with his recruits, then I'm all for looking at replacements. Until then, things are going according to plan.
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+1 :clap: Bravo!:clap:
 

Pewterschmidt said:
Hope to God I eat crow BTW. I just don't see any promise in the future and I don't know who to blame other than Brewster. I'm really concerned that very few of his underclassman other than Stoudermire and maybe Cooper have looked like players
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Are you drunk! Besides Decker the upper class men stink. Lair and Hageman are better than Tow-Arnett, Gray better than Weber, Carter better than Sherels, Tinsley and Cooper, and Maresh, and Reeves are better than Campbell and Triplett. Kirksey and Edwards are better than Small and Brown. Our other receivers are studs but Weber can't and won't get them the darn ball. I could go on forever but the whole premise of the upperclassmen being missed is ridiculous.
 

i think we have the potential to be better...Same quarterback with Gray waiting in the wings, all runningbacks returning, i really like green and stoudamire on the outside (who knows maybe weber will be better without always thinking about throwing to decker, our whole line will be back, and i like our lbs next year....they will be better on O next year and young but talented on D..im fine with that
 

Art Vandelay said:
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Who's going to catch the ball next year? Brandon Green will be the best returning WR and he's average at best.
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Eric Decker 2 star recruit not nationally ranked.
Brandon Green 4 star recruit 39th national ranking

I realize Decker has over achieved and is a very good receiver, but Green is actually viewed as having more upside and talent. So to say he is average at best is laughable. The fact of the matter is also Weber throws every pass to Decker not letting you see what the other receivers are capable of.
 

BrewsterSucks said:
This grim situation will only get grimmer as time goes on under current leadership. The only person who can produce any type of spark at all is graduating. But no worries, our plethora of two four-star recruits will surely save us next year! :pig:
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It's nice you included a picture of your girlfriend at the end of your post
 

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