Tanner Morgan thoughts

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Many of you goofs said the same thing about leidner, gray and weber.
 

Thomasthetank said:
If ZA is better than Morgan, then by god we have the natty wrapped up
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Deuce QB backfield! Snap to either one at any time. Defenses won't know how to defend it. No one will stay within 30 of us.
 

Word said:
Still hard to believe PJ ever chose ZA5 over TM2. TM2 just had the best passing season of any Gopher QB in my lifetime.
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annexstead has more physical tools then tanner
 

BigGopher69 said:
annexstead has more physical tools then tanner
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Which means nothing if you don't make the plays in the game. I would argue that Morgan is the best clutch, big play QB we've had in recent history.
 

I’m grateful that we have TM2 and think he’ll be considered one of our best by the time he finishes his tenure here.

That being said, he does have weaknesses and unknowns. While he has nice touch on passes, his arm strength is clearly below average relative to serious NFL prospects. He’s also never had to really “run” an offense; our scheme involves constant checks and rechecks to the sideline. All of the play calling and guidance is being directly fed to him. Granted, he manages the RPO well.

IMO, the next step in his maturation as a passer is to see how he does with more independence. Hoping we see more pre-snap motions, audibles, and jet motions.
 



Mitu said:
I’m grateful that we have TM2 and think he’ll be considered one of our best by the time he finishes his tenure here.

That being said, he does have weaknesses and unknowns. While he has nice touch on passes, his arm strength is clearly below average relative to serious NFL prospects.
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Question: How much can a college quarterback grow his arm strength through training?
 

GoldenRodents said:
Question: How much can a college quarterback grow his arm strength through training?
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Generally very little.


The thing that determines arm strength is mostly genetic body mechanics. The length of all the body parts involved and the way they fit onto each other. For example, longer forearms gives you the ability to 'whip' the ball harder, the way your shoulder joint fits in the socket is very important for transfer of power from your torso to your arm, etc.

The fact that you can't improve arm strength is why QBs with big arms are so desired by coaches. All the other stuff a QB can (theoretically) learn. You can't teach a QB to have longer arms or a slightly different shaped elbow, or a differently angled shoulder socket. On top of that, in the NFL there are many, many times during a game where a QB has no choice but to throw without having time to properly set his feet. On those plays, mechanics go out the window and a QB has to rely on pure arm strength. Which is another reason why QB arm strength is so coveted.
 

gophernut1 said:
Accuracy = A
Reads = B-C - Much improved as year went on. He started to look guys off receivers which is something he never did last year or at the beginning of this year. I also think he has a good hand on the RPO game, which is important with this offense.
Long Ball = A - can't believe how well he throws the ball. Amazing touch.
Arm Strength = B- - While he is accurate and throws a nice long ball, defenses don't need to play as much of the field compared to the robo arms of some quarterbacks.
Leadership = depend of definition - I know he leads by example - extremely hard worker who improves his game and he has great game management. However, does not strike me as a rally the troops with rah-rah speeches. I do think his leadership style is a perfect match for a PJ coached team.
Ability to Win = Whatever he lacks in any other area his ability to manage a game and get the win is amazing. He seems to have "it."

Bottom line he will always be the type of quarterback where some people will think someone who is more physically gifted (taller, stronger arm) and/or more vocal may be better than him. However, his results should speak for themselves!!
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His best attribute last year was 11 wins.
 



Mitu said:
Generally very little.


The thing that determines arm strength is mostly genetic body mechanics. The length of all the body parts involved and the way they fit onto each other. For example, longer forearms gives you the ability to 'whip' the ball harder, the way your shoulder joint fits in the socket is very important for transfer of power from your torso to your arm, etc.

The fact that you can't improve arm strength is why QBs with big arms are so desired by coaches. All the other stuff a QB can (theoretically) learn. You can't teach a QB to have longer arms or a slightly different shaped elbow, or a differently angled shoulder socket. On top of that, in the NFL there are many, many times during a game where a QB has no choice but to throw without having time to properly set his feet. On those plays, mechanics go out the window and a QB has to rely on pure arm strength. Which is another reason why QB arm strength is so coveted.
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I like to look at QB fingers. Drew Brees has enormous digits for such a compact guy.
 

Mitu said:
I’m grateful that we have TM2 and think he’ll be considered one of our best by the time he finishes his tenure here.

That being said, he does have weaknesses and unknowns. While he has nice touch on passes, his arm strength is clearly below average relative to serious NFL prospects. He’s also never had to really “run” an offense; our scheme involves constant checks and rechecks to the sideline. All of the play calling and guidance is being directly fed to him. Granted, he manages the RPO well.

IMO, the next step in his maturation as a passer is to see how he does with more independence. Hoping we see more pre-snap motions, audibles, and jet motions.
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I am very curious to see how the NFL views Tanner. A lot will hinge on how this year goes but my gut instinct is that he will be back for his senior year because I don't think he will be viewed as a high end NFL prospect for the reasons you mentioned.

And to be clear, I am totally fine with that. :)
 

Im not sure it’s a huge demerit they do sideline checks before the snap. Occasionally Ciarrocca seemed to see something that tipped the defenses hand to good effect. He said once they mostly don’t change the initial play anyway. Beyond that if Morgan is generally making the right reads on his keys, and importantly hitting the receivers in stride and on time that’s pretty unique amongst quarterbacks. Accuracy >> arm strength.
 

Pompous Elitist said:
Im not sure it’s a huge demerit they do sideline checks before the snap. Occasionally Ciarrocca seemed to see something that tipped the defenses hand to good effect. He said once they mostly don’t change the initial play anyway. Beyond that if Morgan is generally making the right reads on his keys, and importantly hitting the receivers in stride and on time that’s pretty unique amongst quarterbacks. Accuracy >> arm strength.
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In college I absolutely agree accuracy is more important than arm strength. In the NFL you need to have that rocket arm more to fit the ball into super tight windows. In college you can get by without one if you make good decisions and are accurate with your throws. Two things Tanner Morgan is very good at.
 



MNVCGUY said:
In college I absolutely agree accuracy is more important than arm strength. In the NFL you need to have that rocket arm more to fit the ball into super tight windows. In college you can get by without one if you make good decisions and are accurate with your throws. Two things Tanner Morgan is very good at.
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Drew Brees does not have a “rocket arm.” He’s overcome that and his lack of height with extreme accuracy and getting the ball out quick. There are other NFL QBs without “rocket arms.” Teddy Bridgewater comes to mind. Remember how much difficulty he had connecting on deep throws those first couple years? It was awful, and this is coming from a Teddy fan.

Having said that, I don’t think Tanner’s arm is as weak as what is being alleged by some.
 

Regarding TM and arm strength issues, the big negative about Daniel Jones, was his lack of NFL arm strength. I know Jones is 6'5", but a lot of people were worried about his lack of arm strength also. He was drafted 6th, and had a nice first year with the Giants.
 

PitinoFan said:
Drew Brees does not have a “rocket arm.” He’s overcome that and his lack of height with extreme accuracy and getting the ball out quick. There are other NFL QBs without “rocket arms.” Teddy Bridgewater comes to mind. Remember how much difficulty he had connecting on deep throws those first couple years? It was awful, and this is coming from a Teddy fan.

Having said that, I don’t think Tanner’s arm is as weak as what is being alleged by some.
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There are always exceptions (Brees being the poster child for it) and Tanner could certainly end up being one as well. But he doesn't fit the NFL mold at QB, which means there is a good chance he won't be thought of all that highly as a next level option.

All that is good news for us of course as it means he is more likely to be back for his senior year.
 

LakevilleBro said:
Regarding TM and arm strength issues, the big negative about Daniel Jones, was his lack of NFL arm strength. I know Jones is 6'5", but a lot of people were worried about his lack of arm strength also. He was drafted 6th, and had a nice first year with the Giants.
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There will be a place for Morgan in the NFL but his measurables are unlikely to make him a high end draft pick or a candidate to leave early. Certainly not a guy I would bet against but also not likely to be a guy scouts are drooling over in the NFL.
 

I wasn’t speaking about his NFL draft potential I was strictly speaking about him as a college QB in college schemes vs college defenses. Perhaps I was mistaken but the poster I was responding to was speaking about his abilities at the present moment and not next level potential ( a discussion worth having).
 

MNVCGUY said:
There are always exceptions (Brees being the poster child for it) and Tanner could certainly end up being one as well. But he doesn't fit the NFL mold at QB, which means there is a good chance he won't be thought of all that highly as a next level option.

All that is good news for us of course as it means he is more likely to be back for his senior year.
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If he improves his ability to avoid the rush, and extend plays, he’ll get more attention. I’m not talking about top 10 pick in the draft, or anything like that, but there are a lot of really bad QBs earning NFL paychecks right now. Also...the last two #1 overall picks didn’t fit the mold either, but they made up for lack of height in other areas.
 

PitinoFan said:
Having said that, I don’t think Tanner’s arm is as weak as what is being alleged by some.
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I heard somewhere he couldn't even throw it 40 yards.
 

I have said it before on this board i just dont see tanner morgan as a nfl qb, but he is still a great college qb.
 

LakevilleBro said:
Regarding TM and arm strength issues, the big negative about Daniel Jones, was his lack of NFL arm strength. I know Jones is 6'5", but a lot of people were worried about his lack of arm strength also. He was drafted 6th, and had a nice first year with the Giants.
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Gray and Leidner had NFL bodies.
 

BigGopher69 said:
annexstead has more physical tools then tanner
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Based on what? Height? Annexstad is taller, but Morgan is certainly faster and appears to be athletically superior in every way imaginable.
 

BigGopher69 said:
I have said it before on this board i just dont see tanner morgan as a nfl qb, but he is still a great college qb.
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I don't think that many of us are saying he is a sure-fire NFL quarterback. He's a great college QB though and I think that's what most people here are saying/implying.

I'm a huge TM2 fan but think he's a longshot for the NFL.
 

dpodoll68 said:
Based on what? Height? Annexstad is taller, but Morgan is certainly faster and appears to be athletically superior in every way imaginable.
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I think some people view Annexstad as having more arm strength, but I'm not sure I'm buying that. Morgan is definitely quicker than Annexstad.
 




These are not ideal measurables for an NFL QB. He’s Tanner’s size....maybe even a hair shorter? I didn’t realize Tua was that short, because “they” don’t talk about it. I guess it’s OK if you play for Alabama.

 

PitinoFan said:
These are not ideal measurables for an NFL QB. He’s Tanner’s size....maybe even a hair shorter? I didn’t realize Tua was that short, because “they” don’t talk about it. I guess it’s OK if you play for Alabama.

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Going to be very interesting to see how Tua does at the NFL level. Someone will probably spend a high pick on him. If he does well it will help undersized guys like Morgan get more attention, if he busts it will hurt.

If Morgan has another big year in 2020 it will be interesting to see where he is projected in terms of the draft. My gut tells me that even if he has a big year again, he will be back in maroon and gold in 2021.
 

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