STrib: Jerry Kill and University of MN are parting ways after no agreement on role

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Spoofin said:
Yeah - 10 more years of mediocrity!
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And 10 more years of bad defenses, substandard recruiting classes, getting out-coached in the second half, and calling the student section a bunch of drunks for booing.
 

Spoofin said:
Yeah - 10 more years of mediocrity!
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And 10 more years of bad defenses, getting out-coached in the second half, substandard recruiting classes, and calling the Gopher student section a bunch of drunks.
 




UpnorthGo4 said:
And 10 more years of bad defenses, getting out-coached in the second half, substandard recruiting classes, and calling the Gopher student section a bunch of drunks.
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Bad defenses could have been cured with a top level/paid defensive coordinator.

Recruiting? See above; the new stadium would have helped.


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Sportsfan24 said:
Bad defenses could have been cured with a top level/paid defensive coordinator.

Recruiting? See above; the new stadium would have helped.

Let's not forget, we haven't had a coach as good as Mason.....since Mason.


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Sportsfan24 said:
Either or; if he was successful he would leave on his own accord.


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This I agree with. Folks like to think he would have stayed because he said it, but his track record says otherwise.

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Off campus football made sure he was not going to get top tier talent.


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It didn't help, but I personally thought at the time, and still do, that we can do better. I think Kill was better, but am hoping TC can do more. I have confidence in TC as a coach. I am more worried about TC as a recruiter and his ability to sell the talent we need to come here.
 



Spoofin said:
This I agree with. Folks like to think he would have stayed because he said it, but his track record says otherwise.



It didn't help, but I personally thought at the time, and still do, that we can do better. I think Kill was better, but am hoping TC can do more. I have confidence in TC as a coach. I am more worried about TC as a recruiter and his ability to sell the talent we need to come here.
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X's and O's, Kill is not in the same league as either of his coordinators....in fact he was pretty bad. His strength was in identifying talent for HIS program and leading a program.

I don't see TC having the personality to be a successful recruiter either. Hopefully he has a closer on staff and develops that ability to at least be adequate.


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Sportsfan24 said:
Well said and I don't disagree. However I tend cut Brewster slack because he had far more genuine affection for his players and the program than one of the two previous coaches you mentioned.

Kill was never going to be a long term coach here. Glen Mason would have went Paterno (longevity) and Brewster would have stayed til retirement.

Personally I would have loved for the gophers to have bought Mason back.


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Interesting comment considering Mason kept trying to get the Ohio St. job.
 

GophersInIowa said:
Interesting comment considering Mason kept trying to get the Ohio St. job.
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Fair comment and observation.

I believe that had to do more with lack of Mn facilities but I can't argue you are wrong.


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Spoofin said:
Yeah - 10 more years of mediocrity!
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Mase never got to recruit with TCF or New Facility currently being built. Most agree that means something in the recruiting world (how much will always be debated). And whether you call his time here mediocrity or not, it came after decades of total ineptitude. So mediocrity was a BIG step up. Folks really like to ignore that fact...
 



Sparlimb said:
Mase never got to recruit with TCF or New Facility currently being built. Most agree that meant something. And whether you call his time here mediocrity or not, it came after decades of total ineptitude. So mediocrity was a BIG step up. Folks really like to ignore that fact...
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Everything you said is true - but mediocrity is mediocrity and after 10-years what you see is what you get.
 

Sportsfan24 said:
Bad defenses could have been cured with a top level/paid defensive coordinator.

Recruiting? See above; the new stadium would have helped.
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Mason's recruiting during his last three years (2004, 2005, and 2006) were significantly worse than any year that came before them. More than a few fans believe that Mason had all but quit after the fiasco of 2003. I am one of them, and President Bruininks was another.

It was time for Mason to go because he had given fans like me no hope for the future. He seemed like a coach who was planning to spend the rest of his time as Gopher's coach making little or no effort to improve on his 32 - 48 Big Ten record. At least Brewster cared about winning. If Mason cared he didn't show it very much during his last three years.

I was seriously thinking about giving up my season tickets before Mason was fired. I still have them. I am starting to think Tracy Claeys might turn out to be a really good coach. We will see.
 

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UpnorthGo4 said:
Mason's recruiting during his last three years (2004, 2005, and 2006) were significantly worse than any year that came before them. More than a few fans believe that Mason had all but quit after the fiasco of 2003. I am one of them and President Bruininks was another.

It was time for Mason to go because he had given fans like me no hope for the future. He seemed like a coach who was planning to spend the rest of his time as Gopher's coach making little or no effort to improve on his 32 - 48 Big Ten record. At least Brewster cared about winning. If Mason cared he didn't show it very well during his last three years.
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I'm a huge Brewster guy so you get no argument from me.

Mason cared but it was painful watching MN talent leave every year.

Part of the recruiting process is visiting campus on game day.....unless it was a gopher game.

Anywhere else kids and alumni were throwing the football around the stadium on campus, Barbeque was being cooked, segments of the marching band was playing at different locations.

At the U, they had a plastic tent setup outside the bigger plastic tent (metrodome).

It was down right sad[emoji55]


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Sportsfan24 said:
My opinion? Absolutely. Are you entitled to an opinion? Absolutely.

I disagree with you calling me clueless when you have no idea how I arrived at what I said.

Kills, gopher football, buzz, fact? Since it's a fact where's your quantitative proof? My man , that's also your opinion....one that I disagree with but respect.

Here is an actual fact; Kill revived the Gopher football program and made it relevant again. Kill was not as successful as a gopher coach as Glen Mason.

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U said any job at the U. How about fundraising, building enthusiasm throughout the state, working with high school coaches, instilling values and principles in young athletes, motivating young students. If u think Mason is better than Kill at this, than I think you are clueless, and so would a boatload of other people. Oh ya, and how about choking games away...you're right, nobody better than Glen Mason.


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Quantitative proof? Spring game attendance, Citrus bowl attendance, new facilities within first 5 years. How about comparing their first 4 years COACHING , oh sh^t, Kill with a better Big Ten record and overall record! Where is your quantitative proof super insider???


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It is amusing the Mason vs. Kill debate continues. I liked both coaches. Regarding loyalty to the U, it will be interesting to see how long the Kill vibe lingers. I have no bad feelings that Jerry moved away but I'm guessing his positive vibe will fade quickly given his relatively short tenure.

I appreciate that Maze refers to the U as his school too since he is a resident of MN. Yes, his wife has a practice here but nevertheless he stayed and, with the understandable exception of Brew, Glen has been generally positive about the U. Also keep in mind that Maze helped to get a new stadium but never got the benefits of coaching in it. I sometimes wonder what he might have done but I guess it really doesn't matter.
 

Sportsfan24 said:
I'm a huge Brewster guy so you get no argument from me.

Mason cared but it was painful watching MN talent leave every year.

Part of the recruiting process is visiting campus on game day.....unless it was a gopher game.

Anywhere else kids and alumni were throwing the football around the stadium on campus, Barbeque was being cooked, segments of the marching band was playing at different locations.

At the U, they had a plastic tent setup outside the bigger plastic tent (metrodome).

It was down right sad[emoji55]


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But he was able to bring in talent on the offensive side of the ball. He did a pretty good job on one side of the ball and failed miserably on the other.
 


per Shooter:

That was an energetic, healthy-looking former Gophers football coach Jerry Kill, with wife Rebecca, at J.D. Hoyt’s visiting pals in downtown Minneapolis the other day. Kill, speaking last week in Orlando and Marco Island, Fla., said he misses the Twin Cities but will be back soon for a half-dozen corporate speaking engagements.

It’s unforgivable that the University of Minnesota couldn’t arrange a working agreement to keep Kill employed in a marketing capacity with the Gophers.

http://www.twincities.com/2016/03/19/charley-walters-vikings-eyeing-pass-catchers-in-draft/

Go Gophers!!
 

BleedGopher said:
per Shooter:

That was an energetic, healthy-looking former Gophers football coach Jerry Kill, with wife Rebecca, at J.D. Hoyt’s visiting pals in downtown Minneapolis the other day. Kill, speaking last week in Orlando and Marco Island, Fla., said he misses the Twin Cities but will be back soon for a half-dozen corporate speaking engagements.

It’s unforgivable that the University of Minnesota couldn’t arrange a working agreement to keep Kill employed in a marketing capacity with the Gophers.

http://www.twincities.com/2016/03/19/charley-walters-vikings-eyeing-pass-catchers-in-draft/

Go Gophers!!
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Translation: Shooter thinks the Gophers should have bent over for him and created a job that didn't make sense for the program.
 


BleedGopher said:
per Shooter:

That was an energetic, healthy-looking former Gophers football coach Jerry Kill, with wife Rebecca, at J.D. Hoyt’s visiting pals in downtown Minneapolis the other day. Kill, speaking last week in Orlando and Marco Island, Fla., said he misses the Twin Cities but will be back soon for a half-dozen corporate speaking engagements.

It’s unforgivable that the University of Minnesota couldn’t arrange a working agreement to keep Kill employed in a marketing capacity with the Gophers.

http://www.twincities.com/2016/03/19/charley-walters-vikings-eyeing-pass-catchers-in-draft/

Go Gophers!!
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Except that isnt what Jerry wanted anyway. Its ridiculous the way the media demonizes the U for stuff thay isnt their fault.
 


CentralGopher said:
Except that isnt what Jerry wanted anyway. Its ridiculous the way the media demonizes the U for stuff thay isnt their fault.
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A ton of posters here make their message board living doing the same. And these are people who (at least theoretically) love the Gophers. Why should the media be any different?
 

CentralGopher said:
Except that isnt what Jerry wanted anyway. Its ridiculous the way the media demonizes the U for stuff thay isnt their fault.
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Correct. He should have said, too bad Kill didn't want to work in a Marketing capacity at the U.


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The position Kill wanted isn't needed with a competent AD.


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