Souhan: Gophers' situation calls for bold step

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ImaGopher said:
And he had to recruit with Metrodome as our home stadium. Some of the Mason haters tend to forget that.
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They just don't like to think about the fact that Glenn Mason was the best this program has seen in a half century and it's the best this program will see for the foreseeable future as well. It's a depressing thing to think about, so it drives many towards bitterness.

We have Maturi to blame for that, but sometimes I think Glenn gets the blame for Joel's failures.
 


afurry91 said:
They just don't like to think about the fact that Glenn Mason was the best this program has seen in a half century and it's the best this program will see for the foreseeable future as well. It's a depressing thing to think about, so it drives many towards bitterness.

We have Maturi to blame for that, but sometimes I think Glenn gets the blame for Joel's failures.
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It's hard to argue against that since I can't predict the future, but Glennnn Mason isn't coming back.
 

Glen Mason. OMG. Do we have to get into this again? Somebody post the list. I'll get it started:

Texas Tech - bowl game
Purdue - 19 seconds left
Wisconsin - dropped punt
Indiana - 56(?) points
Michigan - Friday night
Big ten win-loss record
2013 non-conference schedule every year

to piggy-back on the old-girlfriend analogy, your remembering the 35% of the time that was good and romanticizing it, and forgetting the other 65% of the time that was miserable.
 

I doubt Mason would come back, I think he is really enjoying his current job.
 


I do agree with Souhan on Kahler and Woody not knowing jack sh-t about football. Kill is the only one that knows how a football operation should be run. And BINGO! Right now he is not available, and who knows if he will be back. I would take Mason as a AD in in heartbeat. I think he is beyond his time as a coach. But yes, running a football operation we would be miles ahead with Mason as AD
When it comes to football Woody has that Deputy Dog look.
 

TCF=UnitedWeStand said:
Glen Mason. OMG. Do we have to get into this again? Somebody post the list. I'll get it started:

Texas Tech - bowl game
Purdue - 19 seconds left
Wisconsin - dropped punt
Indiana - 56(?) points
Michigan - Friday night
Big ten win-loss record
2013 non-conference schedule every year

to piggy-back on the old-girlfriend analogy, your remembering the 35% of the time that was good and romanticizing it, and forgetting the other 65% of the time that was miserable.
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Indiana - Lost by 20 (2007)
Illinois - Lost by 27 at home (2007)
North Dakota State - Lost (2007)

Kansas - Lost by 21 (2008)

South Dakota State - Loss (2010)
Northern Illinois - Loss (2010)
Northwestern - Loss (2010)
Wisconsin - Loss (2010)
Purdue - Loss (2010)

New Mexico State - Loss (2011)
NDSU - Loss (2011)
Michigan - Loss by 58 (2011)
Purdue - Loss by 28 (2011)

Iowa - Loss by 18 (2012)

Iowa - Loss by 16 (2013)

To be continued...

Need I say more?

That 35% of Mason glory sounds pretty good right now.
 

ruppertflywheel said:
I do agree with Souhan on Kahler and Woody not knowing jack sh-t about football. Kill is the only one that knows how a football operation should be run. And BINGO! Right now he is not available, and who knows if he will be back. I would take Mason as a AD in in heartbeat. I think he is beyond his time as a coach. But yes, running a football operation we would be miles ahead with Mason as AD
When it comes to football Woody has that Deputy Dog look.
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What is it about him/his resume that proves he would make a good AD in the B1G?
 

TCF=UnitedWeStand said:
Glen Mason. OMG. Do we have to get into this again? Somebody post the list. I'll get it started:

Texas Tech - bowl game
Purdue - 19 seconds left
Wisconsin - dropped punt
Indiana - 56(?) points
Michigan - Friday night
Big ten win-loss record
2013 non-conference schedule every year

to piggy-back on the old-girlfriend analogy, your remembering the 35% of the time that was good and romanticizing it, and forgetting the other 65% of the time that was miserable.
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Glen Mason. No, no, no, no, and hell no! He's damaged goods at the U.

To further quantify:

1) 32-48 (.400) in league play, never finishing higher than T4, never a league record better than 5-3, and lost the last regular season game every year until 2006.
2) 7-22 (.241) in trophy games vs. Wisconsin, Iowa, and Michigan
3) 1-9 (.100) in Madison and Iowa City, with an average score of 39-18 them. That average includes the one win, a 25-22 win at IC in 1999.

'Nuff said.
 



afurry91 said:
Indiana - Lost by 20 (2007)
Illinois - Lost by 27 at home (2007)
North Dakota State - Lost (2007)

Kansas - Lost by 21 (2008)

South Dakota State - Loss (2010)
Northern Illinois - Loss (2010)
Northwestern - Loss (2010)
Wisconsin - Loss (2010)
Purdue - Loss (2010)

New Mexico State - Loss (2011)
NDSU - Loss (2011)
Michigan - Loss by 58 (2011)
Purdue - Loss by 28 (2011)

Iowa - Loss by 18 (2012)

Iowa - Loss by 16 (2013)

To be continued...

Need I say more?

That 35% of Mason glory sounds pretty good right now.
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I didn't realize Brew was still the coach(?). Anyway, I think you're nuts, but everyone is entitled to their opinion. And if you call one 10 win season in 10(?) years "glory", then I want to work for you some day.
 

Our program is a mess.

We hired Kill and his staff to avoid a complete meltdown.

Now the worst case scenario is starting us in the face.

Not good.
 

TCF=UnitedWeStand said:
I didn't realize Brew was still the coach(?). Anyway, I think you're nuts, but everyone is entitled to their opinion. And if you call one 10 win season in 10(?) years "glory", then I want to work for you some day.
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So now the 35% of good you said before is now 10%?
 

What is with this narrative that Norwood Teague knows nothing about football? Is it because VCU doesn't have a football program? You know he worked at three other BCS conference schools, right?
 




e.bigelow said:
Go home, you're drunk.
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Yes, somebody call afurry91 a cab.

I'm now fully convinced that Souhan's bold plan is basically finding a way to glass the entire U with a tactical nuke. I mean seriously, Glen Mason is his 'bold plan'? Don't confuse 'bold' for 'stupid' Jim.
 

We fired Mason because after getting us to the precipice of where we wanted to go but falling panifully short, he seemed to lose the desire to keep rolling boulder up the hill, right? If he somehow has that desire back, it would not be that bad an idea. I have to admit that watching Bill Snyder almost instantly bring Kansas State back to where it was when he left, I've wondered if it couldn't be done here. And unlike Snyder, Mason is not 70 years old. Bottom-line is it that unrealistic that after 6 years off, might we get 1999-2003 Mason instead of 2004-2006 Mason?
 

Toughen up

Souhan knows nothing about football and, moreover, doesn't care. This is the type of idea we have all had after a few beers but Souhan was able to get a column out of it.

I go to all of the open practices I can, I go to the spring game and scrimmages and the fall scrimmage. I replay the games on my TIVO watching each one several times. I spend too much money on season tickets. I think it is safe to say I have watched a lot of Gopher football and this team is CLEARLY, CLEARLY, CLEARLY better than any team in the last 10 years - the last three of Mason's, Brewster's four and the first two of Kill's.

For those of you who want to fire Kill because he doesn't have any Big10 wins so far this year, or because he has epilepsy, or both, I can only say put your big boy pants on and toughen up because this year may be a rough frigging ride. We have two freshmen QBs and a freshman left tackle. We lack an elite receiver. We lack a speed running back. The JC linebackers, while having lots of talent, still make mistakes from time to time.

BUT...

QBs and linebackers learn from their mistakes and coaching and get better. Linemen grow up. We are recruiting several running backs and I assume they are faster than the backs on the roster. I assume we are recruiting some wide receivers as well and Jones looks as if he could develop into a star.

This team has gotten better every year under coach Kill and I expect that to continue EVEN IF COACH KILL STEPS DOWN FROM BEING HEAD COACH. Why? Because there are many roles coach Kill could fill in the program without being head coach. As one example, coach Kill could just run practice and not be at the games or, as dp suggested, be in the booth during games.

So... wipe away your sniffles and hope that this team of coaches stays intact at least until a final verdict is in a few years from now

I swear some of you are Wisconsin or Iowa fans trying to sabotage the program.
 

The only way to stop Souhan is to ignore Souhan

He's paid it incite not research.
 

Gopher Bandanna Guy said:
I mean seriously, Glen Mason is his 'bold plan'? Don't confuse 'bold' for 'stupid' Jim.
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I know. That's the ironic thing: Souhan's idea of a 'bold' plan is anything but. In fact it's the opposite. It's retreating back into a corner a whimpering mess and begging for mercy from the football gods. It's a cowardly plan...
 

afurry91 said:
They just don't like to think about the fact that Glenn Mason was the best this program has seen in a half century and it's the best this program will see for the foreseeable future as well. It's a depressing thing to think about, so it drives many towards bitterness.

We have Maturi to blame for that, but sometimes I think Glenn gets the blame for Joel's failures.
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Is Glen your uncle or something?
 

Gopher Bandanna Guy said:
Yes, somebody call afurry91 a cab.

I'm now fully convinced that Souhan's bold plan is basically finding a way to glass the entire U with a tactical nuke. I mean seriously, Glen Mason is his 'bold plan'? Don't confuse 'bold' for 'stupid' Jim.
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OK, I will GBG: afurry91, you're a cab.
 

To any of you who are being bashed for your ability to realize that MORE...is MORE...

mnsports1 said:
What is it about him/his resume that proves he would make a good AD in the B1G?
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and that Mason could at LEAST make Minnesota Football SHINE enough to have the program off the FLOOR of the Big Ten Conference and that his wins over Michigan, tOSU, wisky, iowa, Arkansas, Alabama, Oregon, PSU, MSU, and his ability to be the only guy since Murray Warmath to turn out All-American players at the U of M were ESSENTIAL in getting TCF BANK STADIUM approved by the State Legislators: NEVER let the ba$tards get you down when they try to crap on you for having an opinion about Glen Mason that is DIFFERENT from their own.

Most of those who bash Mason the most have been around Gopher Football for LESS than 20 seasons. Some of them 15 seasons MAYBE. Some of them LESS than 10 seasons. And they bash your opinions because you don't join them in BASHING Glen Mason. Most of them don't go back to Murray's seasons at the U. They weren't around for the Stoll years....the Salem years...the hoax 1 plus season...the Gutty years or even Wacker.

No, I don't think Glen Mason would entertain the idea of returning to the University of Minnesota as a coach or even an AD. But, that's not to say he wouldn't be qualified.

Let's just hear WHAT these people who so readily try to BASH Mason think will happen with the Football Program, What if we have a zero win and 8 loss Conference season in 2013? What AFTER that? Have they seen the schedule for 2014 and 2015?

All they do is bash Mason. They have NO idea what will happen if things start getting REALLY bad.

I agree that prexy K and our now Norwood are NOT football administrators in any way, shape or form. I WORRY about the near term future. I wish Coach Kill the very best and hope he is able to hurry back. And ALWAYS remember that the Conference win/loss record is THE barometer of how well the program is competing within the conference.
 



It seems you either have to be 100% pro or anti Mason. I thought he did O.K. but I truly expected more from him. He would create some upsets from time to time, pretty much take care of business, and would almost always end the season with the same stump speech "Man, it's hard to win here, it just it". Every year, that would indicate surrender to me. If it's tough to win here, that just means you need to work harder. Hell...it's only hard work, so work hard.

I don't hate the guy, he did fine, but I expect more, and I don't think he was the person to deliver.

Now I hope that Kill and staff are the men that will work that hard. And I'll support them (as I supported Mason while he was coach) for as long as they are coach here. If this staff can't break through that ceiling, then it's time to move on.
 

afurry91 said:
I would take Glenn Mason back in a heart beat.
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Mason is the only coach in recent Gopher history that developed teams that I thought COULD win each Saturday. Not that they WOULD, but that they COULD. Of the three things I think a college football coach needs to do (recruit, develop, direct) he was a fair recruiter, a top developer, and a poor (game situation) director. I favored his firing after the TT collapse. Nevertheless, he has proven that he can develop at least a formidable offense. With a good recruiting staff and a requirement that Mason stay home on Saturdays, he could contribute. I think he'd be crazy to accept any role at the U, but I don't see that Souhan's suggestion is preposterous.

And guys, how about a little maturity and class here -- drop the name calling and personal attacks on people. Your points would be more credible without the childish disparagement.
 


NO MASON------Kill is building the program the right way. Look at the Srs. starting and the Fr. & Sophs. We have been patient for 45 yrs. give Kill 2 more yrs., and you will be on the Kill bandwagon.
 

Pre-2004 Glen Mason was a good coach. Pre-2004 Glen Mason could've stayed employed at the University of Minnesota for a long time and most of the fans would've been happy with him. He had his flaws, for sure, but he cared, tried hard, represented the University well, and wanted to be here. Post-2004 Glen Mason gave up on himself and by extension his employer. He quit putting forth anything resembling maximum effort in recruiting, and the results slid along with the talent. If he would've given his all to show OSU what they missed out on rather than pouting and giving up, I have little doubt he'd still be employed here today and probably until he retired.
 

howeda7 said:
We fired Mason because after getting us to the precipice of where we wanted to go but falling panifully short, he seemed to lose the desire to keep rolling boulder up the hill, right? If he somehow has that desire back, it would not be that bad an idea. I have to admit that watching Bill Snyder almost instantly bring Kansas State back to where it was when he left, I've wondered if it couldn't be done here. And unlike Snyder, Mason is not 70 years old. Bottom-line is it that unrealistic that after 6 years off, might we get 1999-2003 Mason instead of 2004-2006 Mason?
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Comparing Mason to Snyder is an insult to Snyder. Bill Snyder turned Kansas State into a legitimate Big 12 threat and put out Top 10 teams while Mason did none of this. Kansas State knew what they were getting in Snyder. We know what we would get out of Mason and it's respectable but no where near what Snyder had/has done. Also, Snyder retired a legend, even having the field named after him while Mason was fired for another one of his trademark choke jobs. Has there ever been a coach in college football who was fired and then hired back?

What is it about retreads or "Minnesota" guys that our media and state obesess over? You don't need any intimate knowledge of the state or school to win at Minnesota. There isn't anything so drastically different about the U than Iowa or Wisconsin other than maybe our esteemed members of the media are pretty clueless about college football and just awful in general. Anytime a job opening comes up in in college or pro sports the first thing the media and general fanbases run to are guys like Mike Tice, Flip Saunders, Marc Trestman, or that one guy who threw for a bunch of yards for the Gophers back in the day. There is nothing special about Minnesota that requires our sports teams to have "one of us". The only unique thing about this state is that it has a massive loser mentality that I have seen no where else.
 

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