Something I Don't Get About People Turning On JERRY KILL...

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I was one of the few here, after I realized that Maturi was blowing smoke with a Tubby like hire, who wanted Coach Kill and happy when Maturi hired him. In spite of the miserable start, I keep going back to Coach Kill's record of ressurecting programs. I trust that his program will work.

No question there is plenty of room for disappointment. There have been few bright spots. Where ever Coach Kill has been, it has taken him at least three years to get his program where is can succeed.

I for one, am most disappointed in the play of Seniors. Guys like Tinsley, Bennett, Royston, Wynn, Bunders, Stoudamire, Lair, Jacobs, McKnight, Kirksey, etc. Seldom have they been making big plays and unless they get it in gear, and not of one of them will get a sniff from the NFL. Where is the leadership from this bunch?

If this level of play continues, I expect more younger players getting PT. The Sr.s have had their chance.

If there are underclassmen that are not up to the task, Coach Kill has to be careful not to scare too many off due to lower APR scores with transfers.
 

thailleagle said:
Gophers 2003, Week 1 we won by 39, Week 12 we lost by 18...see why that doesn't work? And you're telling me (if you've watched any Michigan games this season) that Michigan isn't better then NMSU or NDSU? Really? Now if we lost 58-0 to Purdue...I'd be worried... but Michigan's Offense is a wrecking crew & our Defense is terrible so when those factors meet what happens? A Blowout...
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If USC and Michigan played on a neutral field, Michigan would be favored by maybe 4. They are similar teams, and the difference between week 1 and today is astounding.
 

Rosemountian said:
You can't make up your kind of excuse making.
I guess the stupid mental penalties are the results of playing better opponents.
I guess the lack of effort is okay because it is against a better opponent.
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Clearly the team has checked out. There are severe internal issues that preclude any chance of success. The result is what we all see, that we are one of the worst programs in D-I.

As these issues are resolved over time, mainly through player turnover, which is an ongoing process over ~years, we will improve significantly, or maybe even more given that unlike the last one, our current coach MAY have a few neurons to rub together, even if they do seize up from time to time.

Is any of this even up for debate?? Why are you piling all over our coach right now??
 

I don't know if they are that close, but the difference certainly isn't 50+
 

My problem is not with Kill it remains with Maturi and the fact that I think the return to the Mason era record or beyond may take much longer because our base offense and defense is going to be so similar to that of other B1G teams but with lesser talent for some time. It's why I thought in order to right this ship Maturi needed to hire a coach who ran a differet scheme (what some B1G diehards might call gimmic) like Leach or Niumatalolo. As it is with Kill were are going to have to line it up with what we got and try to beat others in the Legends division at their own game.
 


I dont dislike Kill but i am disappointed in his team so far. He wont get fired yet, so those who believe he should are just blowing smoke out their ass! Kill was not my first choice but its not like my choices really matter in this deal.

Kill talked about how bad this team was/is and has spoken about how we have little to no depth. I hate negative comments about kids from a coach and that has turned me off about Kill. I dont care if he is being honest, if the leader doesnt think we can win how does he get his team to believe they can win?

Blaming Brewster is tired, he is fired and he was hired by Maturi, Maturi deserves all the Brewster blame and that is that. I dont believe talent is the biggest issue at this time, I believe its more due to youth. I want to believe it will get better but each week we look worse at the start of games and I have lost nearly all faith in our coaching staff. I think the play calling on offense has hurt guys like Gray and I feel like our defense sits back way to much hoping to just prevent a big play rather than putting the head down and making a play.

The penalties have gotten out of control in our losses we are nearly averaging nearly 8 penalties a game. That is terrible and something has to be done!

Kill and Company-I expected our coaching staff to put together a team for this season that could win 3-5 games and be somewhat competitive. A team that didnt shoot ourselves in the foot with penalties and a team that puts in great effort. With the exception of the 2nd half of the USC game i have yet to see it again, even in our win we looked uninterested. I didnt expect to win the B1G but I expected to be a decent team taht would play hard and stay in games...praying for a change in my favorite teams future!
 

SickAndTiredOfLosingToWI said:
Clearly the team has checked out. There are severe internal issues that preclude any chance of success. The result is what we all see, that we are one of the worst programs in D-I.

As these issues are resolved over time, mainly through player turnover, which is an ongoing process over ~years, we will improve significantly, or maybe even more given that unlike the last one, our current coach MAY have a few neurons to rub together, even if they do seize up from time to time.

Is any of this even up for debate?? Why are you piling all over our coach right now??
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I agree. There are internal issues that will only work themselves out with player turnover. Kill might have exposed these issues, but they were already there.
 

Is it really all about talent-deficiency? We got clobbered 58-0. With the exception of SC, this has been an embarrassing year, and even the staunchest supporters of this coaching staff (and you could count me among them) have to admit they look in-over-their-heads at the moment. This ain't the MAC.

Oh, and Matri does need to go.
 

thailleagle said:
If you think Jerry Kill is a bad coach then go watch the 2 games we've played against him & explain to me why his NIU Teams had none of the issues ours does. Go watch the games he's coached against Ohio State to Illinois to Purdue to Wisconsin & explain to me why those NIU Teams that were *HIS PLAYERS*...running *HIS SYSTEM FOR YEARS* look a thousand times better then our U of M Team...
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exactly...

The guy is a good coach, but there's nothing here to work with. Honestly, what coach in college football would have done any better? Saban? Urban Meyer? Maybe we eek out 2 or 3 wins at best, but there's still no way we even compete against the Michigans of the world.
 



Dirk Diggler said:
exactly...

The guy is a good coach, but there's nothing here to work with. Honestly, what coach in college football would have done any better? Saban? Urban Meyer? Maybe we eek out 2 or 3 wins at best, but there's still no way we even compete against the Michigans of the world.
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that is such b.s.
 

LesBolstad said:
2014? OMG!

You are hereby banned from posting 30 days.
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FU Les...I am with Go Gophers...no matter how much we wish we had MI talent where a good coach could turn it around in year one...we don't. Game 6 2014 sounds about right.
 

For the purposes of this discussion, I am going to assume that most of you who are complaining about penalties have never been put in a situation where you are playing far superior talent in a competition like football or basketball where because of your positioning or lack of speed or awareness you make foolish mistakes and have stupid penalties. These penalties are the same one you see rookies in the NFL and NBA make who get pressed into a starting position. Sometimes they simply make a stupid penalty because they are beaten, out maneuvered, etc. So I am not overly concerned that our FR and RFR made stupid penalties...because they are made trying to compete...or just keep up in this case. All the yelling in the world can't make this learning and growing process happen any faster.

Regarding today, we started a true FR QB in MI, his first start, we had 2 FR RBs, 2 FR and RFR WR plus a JUCO transfer at WE, a FR and RFR starting DEs and a backup corner who transferred in from DII and ...do I really need to go on. What the hell did you expect...I'm just glad we didn't lose by more. MI is on fire right now and we had no hope of competing in this game.
 

SickAndTiredOfLosingToWI said:
Clearly the team has checked out. There are severe internal issues that preclude any chance of success.[/B]The result is what we all see, that we are one of the worst programs in D-I.

As these issues are resolved over time, mainly through player turnover, which is an ongoing process over ~years, we will improve significantly, or maybe even more given that unlike the last one, our current coach MAY have a few neurons to rub together, even if they do seize up from time to time.

Is any of this even up for debate?? Why are you piling all over our coach right now??
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Please tell us what the internal issues are and what proof you have. Not saying therer aren't any, but I would like to know what you know.

Seems as if I am the only one here who is willing to put a major blame on the players?

Some blame Maturi, Brewster, Coach Kill, Bruininks and even the refs. The players are the ones who are committing the #%$^&^&$$ penalties and not playing well. The players are the ones who aren't executing the system.

If I were a Gopher, I would be doing some deep soul searching and looking at my involvement to date.

I am sure Coach Kill has pulled no punches with the team. This is the program and this is what I expect from each of you. Make it work. Do your job.

Do they have the resolve and balls to pull their collective heads out of their backsides and put up a decent effort against Purdue?

Stay tuned.
 



most alarming problem I saw today was the lack of fight and willingness to compete in the majority of players.

this is the coaching staff's first time coaching at the BCS level. the question over the next couple of seasons will be can the staff recruit well enough and get the toughness and willingness to fight and compete at this level when the majority of the time the team will not be as physically talented as the other teams in the B1G.
 

never been much of an illeagle fan, but i have to admit, i agree with everything he is laying down in this thread.

i know its frustrating to get blown out, but minnesota is just not a good football team. it is going to take time to turn it around.

i'm not going to argue about the cupboard being bare or not. i'm just going to support my favorite football team and whoever happens to be its coach. if that;s rubish, then so be it.
 

The lack of BCS coaching has zero to do with this. Kill showed up from day one and saw how big this project was. That tells me he knows what a solid B1G team should look like, and we ain't it. People keep writing him off like he's just underselling this team, but when you see this team play, you can't help but think maybe he's just on point. 58-0, honestly, it really doesn't matter. If MarQueis Gray plays, we probably at least produce a little more offense and suddenly the score is more 41-14, rather than 58-0, it wouldn't change the fact that there are gaping holes all over this squad though. But with Max unable to get anything at all going (I think we can put those QB comp debates to bed), our defense was screwed.

When Kill started, he compared this to his Southern Illinois job. SOUTHERN ILLINOIS! I thought he was going overboard, but c'mon, you can't help but think, man, he was on point. You can be mad at him all you want, but this guy called it, straight up. There are A LOT of issues with this team and we're gonna see some wild swings this year. Kill may never figure this thing out, but I think he's one of the few people who understand the uphill battle this team is facing. 58-0 is inexcusable, but they were badly over-matched, that's just the way it is. Whether Michigan wins by 58 or 30, it's a beat down regardless and there's a lot that needs fixing.
 

A lot of the upper classmen wanted Horton to be hired as the full-time HC, when Kill came in a lot of the most important pieces of our team just simply won't put out.. It's very clear. I've seen Moulton and Jones and Goodger out play McKnight and Lair. It's not that they're not throwing it to them, they're just just not leaving it all out on the field. Same thing with our Senior O-line. Only the young guys are buying and putting out for Kill, it may definitely be a few years til they're the upperclassmen on this team, playing with heart and will. Or what Kill calls it "got want to"
 

Monty519 said:
The lack of BCS coaching has zero to do with this. Kill showed up from day one and saw how big this project was. That tells me he knows what a solid B1G team should look like, and we ain't it. People keep writing him off like he's just underselling this team, but when you see this team play, you can't help but think maybe he's just on point. 58-0, honestly, it really doesn't matter. If MarQueis Gray plays, we probably at least produce a little more offense and suddenly the score is more 41-14, rather than 58-0, it wouldn't change the fact that there are gaping holes all over this squad though. But with Max unable to get anything at all going (I think we can put those QB comp debates to bed), our defense was screwed.

When Kill started, he compared this to his Southern Illinois job. SOUTHERN ILLINOIS! I thought he was going overboard, but c'mon, you can't help but think, man, he was on point. You can be mad at him all you want, but this guy called it, straight up. There are A LOT of issues with this team and we're gonna see some wild swings this year. Kill may never figure this thing out, but I think he's one of the few people who understand the uphill battle this team is facing. 58-0 is inexcusable, but they were badly over-matched, that's just the way it is. Whether Michigan wins by 58 or 30, it's a beat down regardless and there's a lot that needs fixing.
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Someone who gets it!
 

Also...... let's not totally just roll the bull-dozer over the players, lots of these guys, especially 5th year seniors have gone through nothing but coaching change after coaching change. Both at the HC and OC/DC..... they've been changed and altered and re-schemed and been through more bs than just about anyone else, ever since they got here. The only way to fix that, is to get a one scheme guy, who will stick with it and create some continuity. Mason had that, but he couldn't recruit, now... instead of saying he sucks at recruiting, he had the biggest off-campus dump in football to recruit to, Brewster, with TCF could sell snow to the eskimos, but he couldn't get them into one scheme and coach 'em. Both Men had, and still do, have a lot of love and passion for this program.

It's really really rough right now, it's going to be this bad all year. Some people knew it before a lot of us did... but it's the way it is, but the problem is having something to sell to a football player, and continuity. Give this a couple years, and it should get better. We needed an over-haul and it's going to suck for a while, but we're in the RIGHT direction. (I hope)
 

GopherinPhilly said:
For the purposes of this discussion, I am going to assume that most of you who are complaining about penalties have never been put in a situation where you are playing far superior talent in a competition like football or basketball where because of your positioning or lack of speed or awareness you make foolish mistakes and have stupid penalties. These penalties are the same one you see rookies in the NFL and NBA make who get pressed into a starting position. Sometimes they simply make a stupid penalty because they are beaten, out maneuvered, etc. So I am not overly concerned that our FR and RFR made stupid penalties...because they are made trying to compete...or just keep up in this case. All the yelling in the world can't make this learning and growing process happen any faster.

Regarding today, we started a true FR QB in MI, his first start, we had 2 FR RBs, 2 FR and RFR WR plus a JUCO transfer at WE, a FR and RFR starting DEs and a backup corner who transferred in from DII and ...do I really need to go on. What the hell did you expect...I'm just glad we didn't lose by more. MI is on fire right now and we had no hope of competing in this game.
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so ndsu and nmsu both have more talent than minny? in those 2 games we had 14 penalties! you are full of *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!# if you believe the penalty problem is based on the opposing teams superior talent. we opened our first 3 games of the season with penalties...we had ndsu 3rd and like 16 and had a penalty by tinsley and then 3rd and whatever and garin offsides by a mile. those were not situations where the intimidating talent on the other side of the ball forced our hand into making mistakes...you my man are full of sh*t
 

thailleagle said:
Kill specifically said before the beginning of the season that we lacked in a lot of areas & that this is going to be a rough season. He obviously saw something during spring training or whatever that made him come to this conclusion. The "Experts" picked us to win 1 or 2 games. Between Kill saying it was going to be a rough season (as opposed to Brew selling us a Rose Bowl Dream before he ever called a play) & the Experts picking us to finish last in the Big Ten...why is anyone shocked how awful we are? Why is anyone mad at Kill? He didn't lie about anything & it has to be something deeper with this team then just X's & O's that comes down to something he can't seem to get rid of overnight whether it's how the players attitudes are or whatever you have to keep in mind that these players were under Brewster for years & with ZERO previous HC-ing Experience there's no telling what wrong fundamentals or wrong mentalities have been conditioned in these players under him. You can't change that overnight let alone in 5 games.

We have the same issues as last year...inconsistent QB Play, Vanilla Defense, Poor Tackling, Poor Basic Fundamentals, Lack Of Discipline & an O-Line that couldn't stop a Pee-Wee League Pass Rush. I can't even say we're getting worse from week to week because Michigan's Denard Robinson is a very rare talent & is a headache to any Defense let alone a horrible one like ours. We couldn't stop Denard...but this game should prepare Kill & Co. for Nebraska's Martinez & Wisconsin now because now we've seen a mobile QB. 58 points hurt but so does 55 (Iowa 2008) or 45 (OSU 2006) but these things happen.

If you think Jerry Kill is a bad coach then go watch the 2 games we've played against him & explain to me why his NIU Teams had none of the issues ours does. Go watch the games he's coached against Ohio State to Illinois to Purdue to Wisconsin & explain to me why those NIU Teams that were *HIS PLAYERS*...running *HIS SYSTEM FOR YEARS* look a thousand times better then our U of M Team...

Matter of fact...just re-watch the NIU-Minnesota Game last year at TCF & tell me this guy is the problem. His 2007 team went 2-10 & lost to Toledo of all teams 70-21 but beat them the next year 38-7 & went to a Bowl Game. This team has the *EXACT* same problems as last year & the year before yet NIU last year was a very solid football team that went 11-3 beating Fresno State in a Bowl Game & scored 40 points or more 5 times & 50 or more 3 times.

Jerry Kill is *NOT* the problem & thinking he can fix 4 years of Brewball Mentality in less then 5 games is idiotic. Horton even looked lost his first couple games as HC last season & yet still pulled off 2 very impressive victories towards the end. I want 1 person to come in here who has watched NIU play the last few years & tell me Jerry Kill can't coach...GTFOH...

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+1
 

Nobody gets a free pass. Everyone has to be held accountable, including coaches. We also need to give Kill a year or two.

And then time will tell . . .
 

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A little attempt at balance:

What I like about Jerry Kill:

1) He appears to be disciplined, capable and has a strong history of turning programs around, albeit at a different level.

2) He knows all about adversity, personal and professional, and can weather this storm and continue implementing his plan to improve the team no matter what anyone in the media or on this board says.

3) He is a hell of a good interview. After Dennis Green, Brad Childress, Tim Brewster and Glen Mason (I am skipping one or two), it is refreshing to have a coach I enjoy listening to.

4) His long term, no shortcuts, almost no gimmicks approach.

What could make Jerry Kill even better:

1) Stop publicly running down the players. It may just be honesty, but at times it borders on being disrespectful, especially to a group of athletes who have been though a lot of adversity in the mismanagement of this program. Also, it makes it seem like Jerry is playing the "expectation game" at the expense of his players. And, on the same note, get rid of the stupid brown-shirt-with-pink-letters gimmick.

Note that the first list is much longer than the second. My support for Jerry Kill is irrelevant, my support is for the Gophers and the University, and it will take quite awhile to prove or disprove that he was the right choice.

I remain optimistic for the long run, and expect a great deal of frustration in the short run.
 

Although it is very difficult to watch us lose to NDSU and NMSU, I will back Kill. What I have to go on is what he has done at Southern Illi and NIU, and what he did was impressive, building a solid program in places that were losing. It will take more than this season, I agree that by 2014 we should be seeing a much better team here. And it will be GLORIOUS!
 

Bayfieldgopher said:
I for one, am most disappointed in the play of Seniors. Guys like Tinsley, Bennett, Royston, Wynn, Bunders, Stoudamire, Lair, Jacobs, McKnight, Kirksey, etc. Seldom have they been making big plays and unless they get it in gear, and not of one of them will get a sniff from the NFL. Where is the leadership from this bunch?

If this level of play continues, I expect more younger players getting PT. The Sr.s have had their chance.

If there are underclassmen that are not up to the task, Coach Kill has to be careful not to scare too many off due to lower APR scores with transfers.
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I agree 100% Last week was a game where Senior/upperclassman leadership could have changed the outcome and there was Tinsley with a huge stupid penalty and McKnight pouting all over the field and dropping passes and now todays mess. It would be sure nice to see any of the above mentioned Seniors step up. When they don't you are counting on Freshman and Sophmores to carry the load and most often they are not ready for the task as evident by today. Meanwhile, Michigan's upperclassman are stepping up big time. Come on Seniors and upperclassman!!!!
 

Michigan has a first year head coach. That's why we killed them. Wait....
 

Right now there are only 2 things that haven't changed since the Kill hire.

-most agree he's a great coach and we're lucky to have him.
-most knew going into the season that we were going to stink like poo.

So nothing has changed. We just let ourselves get caught up in the excitement after we didn't get completely smoked by SC.

Anyone thinking turning around the gophers won't take time is dellusional. I'm staying on the coach Kill bandwagon and expect to through at least next year.
 

We all got opinions

Most of my life when the team I root for has under performed I blame the coach. I'm not ready to do that yet with Coach Kill. I took advantage of the opportunity to go watch practice several times. I had very few criticisms how practice was conducted.

It doesn't make sense to me that this coaching staff can run a fast moving
disciplined practice and that they can point to success at previous coaching stops, but can't coach.

We don't have one consistent performer on the team. Not one guy on either side of the ball who just keeps making plays. All these guys make a play and screw up the next five. Yes, you can blame coaching but we just have too many personnel holes. Too little experience. Too little player leadership.

We have older players not buying in. We got younger players who just are not ready to perform at this level. The culture has to change. That doesn't happen in five weeks.


I truly thought we would win 6 games this year. I was wrong. Our lines are not good. Gray has a lot of talent but virtually no reps playing the position. I don't understand our play selection but my guess is there is a reason why doing it my way wouldn't work. I'm not happy with all the penalties and general poor performance. It looks like they can't coach. I totally agree. But for now I really don't think that is it. As of today I'm still on board until 2014.
 

Bo Darville said:
Michigan has a first year head coach. That's why we killed them. Wait....
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Good thing, unlike Michigan, Minnesota went to a Bowl Game last year and Gray was able to QB for an Offense that was deadly. Wait...
 

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