Some Thursday night practice takes

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btowngopher said:
You don’t understand how your wording led to all this? Obviously you are making it sound like he wasn’t good enough to be a worthy full time player, and he better have improved.
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He wasn’t good enough at blocking to be an everydown player
Some guy said:
But if he can’t block he can’t play. We already knew he could be a good receiving tight end
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this is what I originally said, which was why he didn’t get on the field full time last year

Sorry if that offends you
 


GopherWeatherGuy said:
FIFY - Nearly everyone understands this except for you
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It literally means the same thing


Not being good enough
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Not being able to beat out the competition at your position

Thanks for agreeing with me.
 

Some guy said:
It literally means the same thing


Not being good enough
=
Not being able to beat out the competition at your position

Thanks for agreeing with me.
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No one would have beaten out Keift on blocking downs. Maxx Williams wouldn't have played over Kieft on blocking downs. Your argument is pointless.

Kieft was drafted purely due to his blocking, which is extremely rare in the NFL today. His offensive production was far and away lower compared to every other TE drafted.
 

GopherWeatherGuy said:
No one would have beaten out Keift on blocking downs. Maxx Williams wouldn't have played over Kieft on blocking downs. Your argument is pointless.

Kieft was drafted purely due to his blocking, which is extremely rare in the NFL today. His offensive production was far and away lower compared to every other TE drafted.
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How does that disagree with anything I have said
 



Some guy said:
Yeah.and as good of a wideout as BSF is he couldn’t get on the field over KK because he wasn’t a good enough blocker to pass him on the depth chart.


How many times do i have to repeat myself?
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What you don't want to say is that Spann-Ford is a good TE and maybe a great one in this year's offense.

Keift was the best blocking TE in the country and we ran a service academy offense with Sanford. Anybody would play Ko over BSF in that offense.

The 2022 offense will not be remotely similar to Navy, AF, and Army and Ford will shine. And by the way, starting three games and playing less than half time last year he was third in receptions with about 25.

He is also a good enough blocker to play in the run game. Just not as good as the best in the land. Rejoice in the talent and move on.
 


Dakota2 said:
What you don't want to say is that Spann-Ford is a good TE and maybe a great one in this year's offense.

Keift was the best blocking TE in the country and we ran a service academy offense with Sanford. Anybody would play Ko over BSF in that offense.

The 2022 offense will not be remotely similar to Navy, AF, and Army and Ford will shine. And by the way, starting three games and playing less than half time last year he was third in receptions with about 25.

He is also a good enough blocker to play in the run game. Just not as good as the best in the land. Rejoice in the talent and move on.
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I said he is a great receiving tight end and I hope he is an every down player this year. I also said last year he wasn’t good enough in the run game. What is to say we don’t have another great blocker like Ko K?

I can’t believe people are so offended I called a backup a backup.
 



GopherWeatherGuy said:
The first post of yours in this thread says BSF can't block, which is completely false.
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You just quoted me saying if he can’t block he can’t play.
Which is fact


I said last year he wasn’t a full time player and the reason was his blocking. Do you disagree with that? Do you think the reason he found himself on the bench half the time was because of something other than his blocking?



Where did I say he can’t block?
 


Some guy said:
I said he is a great receiving tight end and I hope he is an every down player this year. I also said last year he wasn’t good enough in the run game. What is to say we don’t have another great blocker like Ko K?

I can’t believe people are so offended I called a backup a backup.
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It's not everyone else buddy, it's you.
 




Some guy said:
He wasn’t good enough at blocking to be an everydown player

this is what I originally said, which was why he didn’t get on the field full time last year

Sorry if that offends you
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Again, saying he wasn’t good enough at blocking to be an every down player is terrible wording if you truly mean the same thing as he wasn’t good enough to beat out Kieft, I don’t understand how you can’t see that. I’m not offended by what you’re saying, but I think you really meant you don’t think he is a good blocker.
 


btowngopher said:
Again, saying he wasn’t good enough at blocking to be an every down player is terrible wording if you truly mean the same thing as he wasn’t good enough to beat out Kieft, I don’t understand how you can’t see that. I’m not offended by what you’re saying, but I think you really meant you don’t think he is a good blocker.
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It's semantics but it's not really not like Kieft "beat out" BSF. BSF didn't play 'behind' Kieft, he played 'with' Kieft, at a different position. i.e. Kieft is a U-TE, which is the traditional blocking TE/FB, while BSF is a Y-TE, a more all-around TE. Nick Kallerup played 'behind' Kieft, and will take his U-TE spot this season.
 

Some guy said:
You just quoted me saying if he can’t block he can’t play.
Which is fact


I said last year he wasn’t a full time player and the reason was his blocking. Do you disagree with that? Do you think the reason he found himself on the bench half the time was because of something other than his blocking?



Where did I say he can’t block?
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Don't punk out now. You know what you were saying, own it.

You said "If he can't block, then he can't play". It wasn't an innocuous statement. You're trying to act now like you said "Without oxygen, he can't breathe". Just some matter-of-fact statement. No, the purpose was to insinuate BSF isn't a good blocker, and that he might not play this year if he doesn't block better, both of which are absolutely false. BSF is absolutely a good blocker. I've yet to hear anyone who believes otherwise. He's not a blocking/U-TE though. Nick Kallerup will take Kieft's snaps this season at the blocking/U-TE, while BSF stays at his Y-TE position, where he'll continue to play a different role. If you'd said "The blocking/ U-TE was used more in our offense than the Y-TE last season", I'd probably have agreed with you.

When I corrected you, you got defensive & doubled down saying BSF "couldn't get on the field" and that the coaches "couldn't play him", both of which are preposterous statements.

Then you realized you screwed up, and instead of just owning it, you started trying to play games with semantics. BSF was not a 'every down player because he couldn't block well enough'. Ok, by that logic Ko Kieft was not an 'every down player because he didn't catch the ball well enough', and often came off the field in obvious passing situations. BSF had triple the catches & yards that Kieft had, right? Still, that's not how this debate began. It began with you falsely insinuating BSF isn't a good blocker, won't play if he doesn't do better, that he wasn't able to see the field last season because of it, and that the coaches couldn't play him.
 
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Costa Rican Gopher said:
Don't punk out now. You know what you were saying, own it.

You said "If he can't block, then he can't play". It wasn't an innocuous statement. You're trying to act now like you said "Without oxygen, he can't breathe". Just some matter-of-fact statement. No, the purpose was to insinuate BSF isn't a good blocker, and that he might not play this year if he doesn't block better, both of which are absolutely false. BSF is absolutely a good blocker. I've yet to hear anyone who believes otherwise. He's not a blocking/U-TE though. Nick Kallerup will take Kieft's snaps this season at the blocking/U-TE, while BSF stays at his Y-TE position, where he'll continue to play a different role. If you'd said "The blocking/ U-TE was used more in our offense than the Y-TE last season", I'd probably have agreed with you.

When I corrected you, you got defensive & doubled down saying BSF "couldn't get on the field" and that the coaches "couldn't play him", both of which are preposterous statements.

Then you realized you screwed up, and instead of just owning it, you started trying to play games with semantics. BSF was not a 'every down player because he couldn't block well enough'. Ok, by that logic Ko Kieft was not an 'every down player because he didn't catch the ball well enough', and often came off the field in obvious passing situations. BSF had triple the catches & yards that Kieft had, right? Still, that's not how this debate began. It began with you falsely insinuating BSF isn't a good blocker, won't play if he doesn't do better, that he wasn't able to see the field last season because of it, and that the coaches couldn't play him.
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He wasn’t a good enough blocker to play last year
In run situations they would take him out because even though he was a great passing threat he wasn’t good enough to be on the field to do what they wanted to do

Do you disagree with that take?
If that isn’t why he wasn’t on the field? What do you suspect it was?
 

Maxx Williams vs Matt Spaeth vs Ben Utecht. Discuss.
 



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