Sinclair(Bally's Sport) nearing a deal for NBA streaming rights for direct to consumer offering

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howeda7 said:
Their rights to carry the Twins applies to all games just as it does on regular TV.
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Streaming are different rights than TV.

Otherwise, why would they need to mention that they only have 5 MLB teams' rights?
 

Gophers_4life said:
Streaming are different rights than TV.

Otherwise, why would they need to mention that they only have 5 MLB teams' rights?
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Within the designated market they're not. They mention it regarding the idea of offering those other teams games as part of the subscription. They don't have Twins streaming rights outside of their market. The Twins are not one of those 5 teams.
 

howeda7 said:
Within the designated market they're not. They mention it regarding the idea of offering those other teams games as part of the subscription. They don't have Twins streaming rights outside of their market. The Twins are not one of those 5 teams.
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OK, this makes sense.
 

GophersInIowa said:
Correct. You’ll only get what’s available in your market.
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Wait, so you can only get the Bally's in the market in which you live, or can you pick the Bally's you want access to? Now that I live in Phoenix, this is a godsend for me as I only care about MN sports and right now we are paying each league pass individually to get MN sports. But this would solve the issue, assuming I can get the Bally's MN market.

Go Gophers!!
 


I think howeda just said that they (Sinclair) don't have the rights to stream Twins games outside of the Twins market.

So they could not offer you Twins in PHX.


But perhaps could for Twolves and Wild (and Loons?).
 

Gophers_4life said:
I think howeda just said that they (Sinclair) don't have the rights to stream Twins games outside of the Twins market.

So they could not offer you Twins in PHX.


But perhaps could for Twolves and Wild (and Loons?).
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Well this is dumb and disappointing.

Go Gophers!!
 

Gophers_4life said:
You're saying that mainly because of the gambling aspect, correct?

A lot of people are probably open to the idea of DTC live sports, so long as the price is reasonable.
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No. Although I personally don't care for it.

I want the streaming to fail. I want Sinclair to lose their ass on the deal.

I want someone to acquire the RSNs at a fraction of Sinclair's price so it can be affordable for the TV providers.
 

TruthSeeker said:
No. Although I personally don't care for it.

I want the streaming to fail. I want Sinclair to lose their ass on the deal.

I want someone to acquire the RSNs at a fraction of Sinclair's price so it can be affordable for the TV providers.
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I guess I still don't follow you, then.

You want it to be the case that [name] Sports North is a channel again on, say, YouTubeTV?
 



I mean, it is on regular cable, sat, and DirecTV streaming (their version of YouTubeTV).
 



BleedGopher said:
Wait, so you can only get the Bally's in the market in which you live, or can you pick the Bally's you want access to? Now that I live in Phoenix, this is a godsend for me as I only care about MN sports and right now we are paying each league pass individually to get MN sports. But this would solve the issue, assuming I can get the Bally's MN market.

Go Gophers!!
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Correct unfortunately
 



Gophers_4life said:
Well that last bit isn't going to happen. Channel bundle prices always tend to increase over time.

That's how they make the most money.
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Ours has gone down the last 2-3 years. They've learned to say "No" when the content providers demand that they take bundled channels. Those where a popular channel or two are bundled with a number of channels nobody watches. Or want outrageous rates period.

Of course the number of available channels has dropped too. ;)
 

BleedGopher said:
Wait, so you can only get the Bally's in the market in which you live, or can you pick the Bally's you want access to? Now that I live in Phoenix, this is a godsend for me as I only care about MN sports and right now we are paying each league pass individually to get MN sports. But this would solve the issue, assuming I can get the Bally's MN market.

Go Gophers!!
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It would not solve that issue as I don't believe the Twins are one of the 5 teams Bally's has full streaming rights for. You would still have to purchase extra innings/MLB TV etc.
 

So, I did some more reading, and I think my earlier post was wrong.

To be clear, my post was speculation based on how I read the article. Here is the part of the article on streaming rights.

One of the concerns about the launch of “Bally Sports+” is the relatively limited number of teams’ streaming rights, especially in the volume-heavy world of Major League baseball, in comparison to the league-specific options. In total, Sinclair currently owns the broadcast rights to 38 MLB, NBA, and NHL franchises already available on the company’s stations. They currently have streaming rights for all NBA and NHL teams, as well as five MLB teams.

On their earnings call, Sinclair execs mentioned that the company was having “constructive dialogue” with other teams and leagues to bolster their rights package. However, due to the plan to have a soft launch in Q2 2022 and a wide launch in the fall, there is not necessarily an immediate time crunch to add more teams.

clearly, there is a distinction between "broadcast rights" and "streaming rights." those are two different entities.

but the article made a point that Sinclair has streaming rights for all NBA and NHL teams, but only 5 MLB teams.

Sinclair currently has 19 RSN's. those RSN's cover 17 MLB teams. (for the LA Angels, it is listed as "occasional" games.) But Sinclair only has streaming rights for 5 MLB teams. Ergo, as I now read things, Sinclair - at this time - does not hold streaming rights for some of the teams they cover under their separate broadcast rights agreements. meaning that a Bally's streaming service would not be able to offer their local MLB team's games IF they do not have a separate agreement for streaming rights.

I think.
 

Iceland12 said:
Ours has gone down the last 2-3 years. They've learned to say "No" when the content providers demand that they take bundled channels. Those where a popular channel or two are bundled with a number of channels nobody watches. Or want outrageous rates period.

Of course the number of available channels has dropped too. ;)
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Usually that just means then that your bundle doesn't get to have any of those channels. They pull the channel altogether and tell the subscribers to make angry phone calls to the bundle provider demanding that they (the provider) put the channel back on.

We've all seen that game play out hundreds of times.

All the same, kudos to your provider!
 

short ornery norwegian said:
So, I did some more reading, and I think my earlier post was wrong.

To be clear, my post was speculation based on how I read the article. Here is the part of the article on streaming rights.

One of the concerns about the launch of “Bally Sports+” is the relatively limited number of teams’ streaming rights, especially in the volume-heavy world of Major League baseball, in comparison to the league-specific options. In total, Sinclair currently owns the broadcast rights to 38 MLB, NBA, and NHL franchises already available on the company’s stations. They currently have streaming rights for all NBA and NHL teams, as well as five MLB teams.

On their earnings call, Sinclair execs mentioned that the company was having “constructive dialogue” with other teams and leagues to bolster their rights package. However, due to the plan to have a soft launch in Q2 2022 and a wide launch in the fall, there is not necessarily an immediate time crunch to add more teams.

clearly, there is a distinction between "broadcast rights" and "streaming rights." those are two different entities.

but the article made a point that Sinclair has streaming rights for all NBA and NHL teams, but only 5 MLB teams.

Sinclair currently has 19 RSN's. those RSN's cover 17 MLB teams. (for the LA Angels, it is listed as "occasional" games.) But Sinclair only has streaming rights for 5 MLB teams. Ergo, as I now read things, Sinclair - at this time - does not hold streaming rights for some of the teams they cover under their separate broadcast rights agreements. meaning that a Bally's streaming service would not be able to offer their local MLB team's games IF they do not have a separate agreement for streaming rights.

I think.
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Bolded: Yes. The owners of content decreed, at some point, by whatever legal means they are able to do such a thing, that "streaming" .... well actually see, that's a whole different rights that you have to purchase separately from normal TV rights.

They should further arbitrarily segment! "Facebook streaming" rights. "Tiktok steaming" rights. "Roku streaming" rights. And so on.
 

Bump - Bally's has released more information on the new streaming service.

from BallySports.com:

"Bally Sports+" will become widely available to viewers in all Bally Sports regions beginning September 26th.

note - currently only select regions offer their live MLB games on the Bally Sports+ app: Detroit, Kansas City, Miami Marlins, the Brewers and the Tampa Bay Rays. Bally "is in discussions" with MLB to expand its offerings next year.

Bally Sports+ is not a standalone app, but an existing product offering within the Bally Sports app and on Bally Sports.com.

it can be watched on web, mobile and tablet.

and.........Subscribers can purchase a monthly subscription for $19.99 or an annual subscription for $189.99. ($15.83 a month)

the Bally Sports+ product is another way to watch your local teams, so the same league territory restrictions apply to out-of-market games.

NHL and NBA games are included.
 

Ive saved so much time not watching twins and twolves every day.

I have 4 kids 10 and under. I'm sure once the kids are older and off doing their own thing, I would appreciate this option more
 

short ornery norwegian said:
Bump - Bally's has released more information on the new streaming service.

from BallySports.com:

"Bally Sports+" will become widely available to viewers in all Bally Sports regions beginning September 26th.

note - currently only select regions offer their live MLB games on the Bally Sports+ app: Detroit, Kansas City, Miami Marlins, the Brewers and the Tampa Bay Rays. Bally "is in discussions" with MLB to expand its offerings next year.

Bally Sports+ is not a standalone app, but an existing product offering within the Bally Sports app and on Bally Sports.com.

it can be watched on web, mobile and tablet.

and.........Subscribers can purchase a monthly subscription for $19.99 or an annual subscription for $189.99. ($15.83 a month)

the Bally Sports+ product is another way to watch your local teams, so the same league territory restrictions apply to out-of-market games.

NHL and NBA games are included.
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$20/month for one channel. Garbage. I hope they lose their shirt.
 

short ornery norwegian said:
Bump - Bally's has released more information on the new streaming service.

from BallySports.com:

"Bally Sports+" will become widely available to viewers in all Bally Sports regions beginning September 26th.

note - currently only select regions offer their live MLB games on the Bally Sports+ app: Detroit, Kansas City, Miami Marlins, the Brewers and the Tampa Bay Rays. Bally "is in discussions" with MLB to expand its offerings next year.

Bally Sports+ is not a standalone app, but an existing product offering within the Bally Sports app and on Bally Sports.com.

it can be watched on web, mobile and tablet.

and.........Subscribers can purchase a monthly subscription for $19.99 or an annual subscription for $189.99. ($15.83 a month)

the Bally Sports+ product is another way to watch your local teams, so the same league territory restrictions apply to out-of-market games.

NHL and NBA games are included.
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Does that mean that the Twins games won't be included? That here, the $20 just will include the Wild and Wolves?
 


Iceland12 said:
Does that mean that the Twins games won't be included? That here, the $20 just will include the Wild and Wolves?
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as it notes on their website, they are "in discussions" with MLB about expanding their streaming rights. but no guarantees.

and if you're a soccer fan, the Loons are moving to a new streaming deal with Amazon, so they won't be part of the Bally's deal as far as I know.
 

short ornery norwegian said:
as it notes on their website, they are "in discussions" with MLB about expanding their streaming rights. but no guarantees.

and if you're a soccer fan, the Loons are moving to a new streaming deal with Amazon, so they won't be part of the Bally's deal as far as I know.
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MLS is going to Apple.
 



Iceland12 said:
Does that mean that the Twins games won't be included? That here, the $20 just will include the Wild and Wolves?
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If they don't add the Twins, zero reason to keep the subscription active from May-September.
 



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